Angry Byrds Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 5 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: Just curious on your take is when a person specifically a kid dies and people say it's Gods plan. Do you believe that? Or is it more of a coping mechanism? Everything is Gods plan. It sucks but in heaven that child will never suffer. Gods end goal for People is heaven. I believe in the age accountability and I feel that God loves children more than anything else because they are innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 minute ago, Angry Byrds said: Everything is Gods plan. It sucks but in heaven that child will never suffer. Gods end goal for People is heaven. I believe in the age accountability and I feel that God loves children more than anything else because they are innocent. Interesting... I don't share the same view but I respect where you are coming from. I feel kids suffering in pain can't be gods will. Why would God want kids to suffer? It's always been an interesting topic to explore for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 6 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: Interesting... I don't share the same view but I respect where you are coming from. I feel kids suffering in pain can't be gods will. Why would God want kids to suffer? It's always been an interesting topic to explore for me. Well I mean you aren’t a believer am I right? He can’t discriminate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 5 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: Well I mean you aren’t a believer am I right? He can’t discriminate. I am believer that there is a god. But not based off the Bible which I don't believe is the word of God. I think we need to look to the stars to figure out where we really came from. I respect all religions and beliefs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 38 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: I am believer that there is a god. But not based off the Bible which I don't believe is the word of God. I think we need to look to the stars to figure out where we really came from. I respect all religions and beliefs. I believe it’s the word of God and the correct religion just based upon the worldview of Christianity. It’s most mocked religion and nobody has a problem with it. The most violence towards a religion is Christianity. @f8ta1ity54for instance mocks Christians and Christianity openly but I’ve never read a bad word towards Jews, Muslims, ect. So if I’m the devil and I hate God and want to destroy his creation then I’m not going to care what religion you choose as long as it’s not Christianity @f8tality will look you straight in the eye and with a straight face tell you that the Christian religion is cause of more deaths than any other religion, and without showing any kind proof to back it up. Show me a religion/atheist/look to the stars gazer that has brought more people up from their worst moment in life, drugs, prison, suicidal tendencies(great band) and lifted them up than Christianity. Yet he will tell you we cause more death without considering the lives saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 26 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: I believe it’s the word of God and the correct religion just based upon the worldview of Christianity. It’s most mocked religion and nobody has a problem with it. The most violence towards a religion is Christianity. @f8ta1ity54for instance mocks Christians and Christianity openly but I’ve never read a bad word towards Jews, Muslims, ect. So if I’m the devil and I hate God and want to destroy his creation then I’m not going to care what religion you choose as long as it’s not Christianity @f8tality will look you straight in the eye and with a straight face tell you that the Christian religion is cause of more deaths than any other religion, and without showing any kind proof to back it up. Show me a religion/atheist/look to the stars gazer that has brought more people up from their worst moment in life, drugs, prison, suicidal tendencies(great band) and lifted them up than Christianity. Yet he will tell you we cause more death without considering the lives saved. People who identify as Christians may be responsible for more deaths than any other religion. But that doesn't mean Christianity teaches or condones violence. I do not believe Christianity is the reason for someone being violent. Same for other religions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 14 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: People who identify as Christians may be responsible for more deaths than any other religion. But that doesn't mean Christianity teaches or condones violence. I do not believe Christianity is the reason for someone being violent. Same for other religions. How are people who identify as Christians responsible for more deaths than any other religion? Muslims killed how many Jews? Jews have killed how many Christians, Jews, atheists, Hindus? I there haven’t been any Christian holy wars since the crusades that I know of. How does a Christian cause more deaths? Especially when Christians are the most persecuted. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwif3dTd8dKCAxX0fjABHR0VDE0QFnoECAMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cato.org%2Fcommentary%2Fchristianity-worlds-most-persecuted-religion-confirms-new-report&usg=AOvVaw2d8mmpkr4lQrIqbax10BIr&opi=89978449 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 2 hours ago, TonyasTaters said: I am believer that there is a god. But not based off the Bible which I don't believe is the word of God People who say are no different from Christian Bible believers to a certain degree. You do have a God and formulated one in your head except that you have not come to terms with HIs/Her/They/its definition or characteristics. Is it an all loving god ? woman? man? Humanlike? animal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 2 minutes ago, RichJ said: People who say are no different from Christian Bible believers to a certain degree. You do have a God and formulated one in your head except that you have not come to terms with HIs/Her/They/its definition or characteristics. Is it an all loving god ? woman? man? Humanlike? animal? Or is it a god that is not of this earth? We just don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, TonyasTaters said: People who identify as Christians may be responsible for more deaths than any other religion. I havent killed anyone. Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 7 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: Or is it a god that is not of this earth? We just don't know. I know mine isnt although He create the earth. Not sure about yours. You dont even know yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 4 minutes ago, RichJ said: I know mine isnt although He create the earth. Not sure about yours. You dont even know yourself. True I don't know and neither does anyone else. Folks have faith and their belief in their God which I respect but it is not a certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 2 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: True I don't know and neither does anyone else. Folks have faith and their belief in their God which I respect but it is not a certainty. If we believe the bible to be true then we know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 7 minutes ago, RichJ said: If we believe the bible to be true then we know . Yes the key word is believe. But there is zero evidence the Bible is fact. That's why we call it faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 45 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: Yes the key word is believe. But there is zero evidence the Bible is fact. That's why we call it faith. its factual to those who believe, is my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, TonyasTaters said: Yes the key word is believe. But there is zero evidence the Bible is fact. That's why we call it faith. So we’re you going to show me where Christians are responsible for the deaths of more people than any other religion or are we just leaving it there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 6 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: So we’re you going to show me where Christians are responsible for the deaths of more people than any other religion or are we just leaving it there? I think it's more of a numbers game than anything else. Over 30% of the world identifies as Christians. 10% more than any other religion. When you think of all the shootings in our city streets most identity as Christians especially in the US. It's not that Christianity is bad or teaches violence like I said it's more of a numbers game. Christianity is a peaceful religion and I respect those who practice it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 4 hours ago, TonyasTaters said: I think it's more of a numbers game than anything else. Over 30% of the world identifies as Christians. 10% more than any other religion. When you think of all the shootings in our city streets most identity as Christians especially in the US. It's not that Christianity is bad or teaches violence like I said it's more of a numbers game. Christianity is a peaceful religion and I respect those who practice it. You have nothing in other words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 16 minutes ago, RichJ said: You have nothing in other words. There are articles about it but I don't really care to get into it. I feel some of the articles appear to negatively towards religion which I don't think religion is a negative thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 22 hours ago, TonyasTaters said: Just curious on your take is when a person specifically a kid dies and people say it's Gods plan. Do you believe that? Or is it more of a coping mechanism? That’s an argument that a lot of people go back to, but in reality, the belief is that while we are on earth mourn the death of a child, a child is being spared all of the pain and hardships that wife on earth includes and is in a much better place and happier for it. Granted, that’s a very layman way of explaining it Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 22 hours ago, TonyasTaters said: Interesting... I don't share the same view but I respect where you are coming from. I feel kids suffering in pain can't be gods will. Why would God want kids to suffer? It's always been an interesting topic to explore for me. Why do you think God wants children? Why do you think God wants anyone to suffer? The whole point of free will is people making their own decisions. Those decisions don’t just affect themselves. This is why I don’t believe that God intervenes in peoples lives the way they think he does because that would be an intrusion on free will Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 45 minutes ago, HipKat said: Why do you think God wants children? Why do you think God wants anyone to suffer? The whole point of free will is people making their own decisions. Those decisions don’t just affect themselves. This is why I don’t believe that God intervenes in peoples lives the way they think he does because that would be an intrusion on free will Agreed with most of your point. But childhood cancer has nothing to do with free will. Sure someone could say it's nature running it's course and at a very basic level we are all cellular beings. To say it was gods plan or will just doesn't make sense to me. It's more of a coping mechanism I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 On 11/20/2023 at 8:44 AM, Angry Byrds said: I believe it’s the word of God and the correct religion just based upon the worldview of Christianity. It’s most mocked religion and nobody has a problem with it. The most violence towards a religion is Christianity. @f8ta1ity54for instance mocks Christians and Christianity openly but I’ve never read a bad word towards Jews, Muslims, ect. So if I’m the devil and I hate God and want to destroy his creation then I’m not going to care what religion you choose as long as it’s not Christianity @f8tality will look you straight in the eye and with a straight face tell you that the Christian religion is cause of more deaths than any other religion, and without showing any kind proof to back it up. Show me a religion/atheist/look to the stars gazer that has brought more people up from their worst moment in life, drugs, prison, suicidal tendencies(great band) and lifted them up than Christianity. Yet he will tell you we cause more death without considering the lives saved. Well, there was a thing called the crusades where a lot of people were killed in the name of Christianity and I don’t know, but I would think that the Jews have suffered for than the Christians. I would say, though, as far as the basic philosophies of major religions, Christianity ranks hi there is no promise of anything thank you and could not achieve without faith. Islam, for example teaches pathway to worldly and materialistic means and rewards such as fortune and the virgins thing, etc. All of the major religions agree that we are immortal, and come from a divine world or an afterlife, which I truly believe there is, they all have a different means to get there. In Christianity it’s faith in God and following God’s rules and laws, while also following the teachings of Jesus.Islam and Judaism are similar. While the Buddhist text recognizes the existence of a self as a being that distinguishes one person from another, the Buddhist teachings state that the Christian, Hindu, Jewish, and Muslim concept of an eternal metaphysical soul is inaccurate. To Buddhists, the human person is but a temporary assemblage of various elements, both physical and psychical, and none of these individual aspects of a whole person can be isolated as the essential self; nor can the sum of them all constitute the self. Everything, all of reality, is in a constant state of change and decay. Because a human is composed of so many elements that are always in a state of flux, always dissolving and combining with one another in new ways, it is impossible to suggest that an individual could retain the same soul-self for eternity. Rather than atman, Buddhist doctrine teaches anatman/or, "no-self." I believe that any religion that would teach inner peace and peace with the surrounding world, probably closer to accurate than worshiping a deity Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 22 hours ago, RichJ said: its factual to those who believe, is my point. So is Bigfoot. Has anybody caught one? Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 3 hours ago, TonyasTaters said: Agreed with most of your point. But childhood cancer has nothing to do with free will. Sure someone could say it's nature running it's course and at a very basic level we are all cellular beings. To say it was gods plan or will just doesn't make sense to me. It's more of a coping mechanism I think. Or maybe the free will of man is what contributed to whatever caused that cancer in the first place Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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