Ukraine's Impending Defeat

[Professor Pigworth]

Here is a useful video to watch for anyone who still believes that Ukraine has any sort of chance to win this war or still believes the myth that Russia's original intention was to annex Ukrainian territory. They will now, but they weren't intending to at the start of the conflict. It also touches on how the US military, in its present depleted state, would also be incapable of defeating Russia if the warmongers in Washington were stupid enough to enter the war in support of its proxy army.  

 

 

Remember: If it's from the Professor, you know it's got to be good.

[IrishLass]

Oh, you mean MSM lied again?

Shocking!

[Herodotus]

25 minutes ago, IrishLass said:

Oh, you mean MSM lied again?

Shocking!

Oh come on, they lied about Korea, Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti, Serbia, Iran, but come on man surely they are telling the truth about Russia.  I mean if you question the "truth" of value of writing the MIC blank checks you hate freedumb.

[IrishLass]

Says some guy from the Midwest whose name I can't remember.

[HipKat]

Is it really too hard to just add to one of the 7000 Ukraine threads we already have?

[Professor Pigworth]

Time Magazine has a new cover story out about Volodymyr Zelensky, and the portrait is not particularly flattering. The Ukrainian president is depicted as delusional about his country’s military prospects against Russia, surrounded by corrupt officials and increasingly concerned that Ukraine will be abandoned as NATO and the west shift attention to Israel. Guest host Craig Jardula and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger speak with columnist George Szamuely about what the consequences for Ukraine will likely be from the Gaza war.

 

 

[Professor Pigworth]

2 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Is it really too hard to just add to one of the 7000 Ukraine threads we already have?

Remember: If it's from the Professor, you know it's got to be good.

[HipKat]

2 minutes ago, Professor Pigworth said:

Remember: If it's from the Professor, you know it's got to be good.

 

Remember back when you had half a brain?

[LiterateStylish]

There really should be a study done on old folks and their gullibility to YouTube videos.

[shiva2999]

So bitter.

You didn't have a hope in hell.

[Professor Pigworth]

27 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

There really should be a study done on old folks and their gullibility to YouTube videos.

So you believe Ukraine is winning the war, then?  And you also believe that the invasion by Russia was unprovoked and that the US government's intention is largely altruistic, and that politicians, the MIC, corporate lobbyists, etc., are mainly concerned that the Ukrainian people maintain their democracy and freedom, etc., against an evil belligerent power that has aspirations of going on to conquer Poland and then other countries in Europe if they are not stopped now?

Is that right? 

And do you also believe that the MSM is giving you fair and accurate reporting on the war? 

 

[shiva2999]

"First Ukraine, THEN THE WORLD! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!" - Vladimir Putin

[Professor Pigworth]

51 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

"First Ukraine, THEN THE WORLD! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!" - Vladimir Putin

Don't let's forget about how dangerous the Chinese are as well. They'll have to be dealt with severely and stopped before they can invade Taiwan. If they are allowed to strip Taiwan of its precious freedom and democracy and pro-American leaning, they might just get it into their heads to invade Japan, South Korea and most of the rest of Asia.  What a great thing for everyone that the US neo-liberals are here to save the world through their proxy armies and to promote their social agenda and their values. Other forms of government and values are clearly inferior.  

[IrishLass]

Ukraine is the Deep State's piggy bank and human trafficking hub.

There's also a few clandestine biolabs.

[HipKat]

39 minutes ago, Professor Pigworth said:

So you believe Ukraine is winning the war, then?  And you also believe that the invasion by Russia was unprovoked and that the US government's intention is largely altruistic, and that politicians, the MIC, corporate lobbyists, etc., are mainly concerned that the Ukrainian people maintain their democracy and freedom, etc., against an evil belligerent power that has aspirations of going on to conquer Poland and then other countries in Europe if they are not stopped now?

Is that right? 

And do you also believe that the MSM is giving you fair and accurate reporting on the war? 

 

Nobody believes that Ukraine is winning the war. But nobody believes that Russia is winning the war either. Russia’s advance into Ukraine has stalled and it’s been stalled. No matter what the casualty county is, I would say it’s pretty deadlocked right now.

But that’s not what the argument is. The argument is between this bullshit Nazi theory in Ukraine’s leader ship, and what Russia’s intentions are for invading in the first place.

You are a victim of the sleight of hand and disinformation campaign do use to keep people like you distracted. In the 3 cups and a pea game, you would never find the pea.

[HipKat]

15 minutes ago, IrishLass said:

Ukraine is the Deep State's piggy bank and human trafficking hub.

There's also a few clandestine biolabs.

Josh, it must be overwhelmingly wonderful being stupid because you people that are stupid and embrace it with everything that you have

[Professor Pigworth]

17 hours ago, HipKat said:

Nobody believes that Ukraine is winning the war. But nobody believes that Russia is winning the war either. Russia’s advance into Ukraine has stalled and it’s been stalled. No matter what the casualty county is, I would say it’s pretty deadlocked right now.

But that’s not what the argument is. The argument is between this bullshit Nazi theory in Ukraine’s leader ship, and what Russia’s intentions are for invading in the first place.

You are a victim of the sleight of hand and disinformation campaign do use to keep people like you distracted. In the 3 cups and a pea game, you would never find the pea.

Nobody believes Russia is winning the war? This is new information to me, as I previously assumed most Western intelligence services, military people and even most Ukrainian people now believed the Russians are winning.  This is what almost all independent non-MSM commentators I've been listening to or reading have been saying for many weeks now. Western governments privately urging Kiev to agree to a peace settlement, the West running out of ammunition to send, generals increasingly refusing Zelensky's orders and Ukrainian women being drafted up to the age of 60 to fill the manpower shortage seem to me to be strong indicators that things couldn't be going so well for Ukraine.  Even the Germans in the final months of WWII didn't resort to conscripting women.  

As for the Russian advance having stalled, I don't think they see it that way. They've just spent the past six months repelling the Ukrainian offensive and have been content to sit on the land they already have and to wait for the Ukrainians to be killed coming to them. It's only been in the past few weeks that the Russians have started to go on the offensive. I don't think it's the sort of offensive that is likely to impress you, since it's a methodical, incremental sort of advance along various points on the front and is designed to minimize casualties to their side. But, from what I've heard and read, the Ukrainians are dangerously low on reserves and sooner or later the dam is expected to break. 

I'll concede that there is still a chance you are right and the Ukrainians will hold them to a stalemate, but I'd be very surprised if the Ukrainian military and state didn't collapse in the next few months.

 

[Professor Pigworth]

17 hours ago, HipKat said:

Josh, it must be overwhelmingly wonderful being stupid because you people that are stupid and embrace it with everything that you have

I think you've made it clear in this thread and elsewhere that people who disagree with your viewpoints are stupid.  Fair enough. But, just out of curiosity, what happens if you hold a view about something and then change that view after a period of time?  For example, if the view was based on faulty or incorrect information at the time. Are the people who were opposed to your original viewpoint then no longer classified as stupid to your mind? And do you then get frustrated or angry with yourself that you formerly held what you now know to be the wrong view? 

[Professor Pigworth]

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[HipKat]

3 hours ago, Professor Pigworth said:

Nobody believes Russia is winning the war? This is new information to me, as I previously assumed most Western intelligence services, military people and even most Ukrainian people now believed the Russians are winning.  This is what almost all independent non-MSM commentators I've been listening to or reading have been saying for many weeks now. Western governments privately urging Kiev to agree to a peace settlement, the West running out of ammunition to send, generals increasingly refusing Zelensky's orders and Ukrainian women being drafted up to the age of 60 to fill the manpower shortage seem to me to be strong indicators that things couldn't be going so well for Ukraine.  Even the Germans in the final months of WWII didn't resort to conscripting women.  

As for the Russian advance having stalled, I don't think they see it that way. They've just spent the past six months repelling the Ukrainian offensive and have been content to sit on the land they already have and to wait for the Ukrainians to be killed coming to them. It's only been in the past few weeks that the Russians have started to go on the offensive. I don't think it's the sort of offensive that is likely to impress you, since it's a methodical, incremental sort of advance along various points on the front and is designed to minimize casualties to their side. But, from what I've heard and read, the Ukrainians are dangerously low on reserves and sooner or later the dam is expected to break. 

I'll concede that there is still a chance you are right and the Ukrainians will hold them to a stalemate, but I'd be very surprised if the Ukrainian military and state didn't collapse in the next few months.

 

To be honest with you, I don’t know what the media says about Russia winning or losing the war because I don’t pay attention to any of it just like I don’t pay attention to any of the war in Gaza.

what I do know is that when things like this come up and I go research anything, I see the front line, hasn’t moved, still, which indicates that nobody is winning the war.

[HipKat]

3 hours ago, Professor Pigworth said:

I think you've made it clear in this thread and elsewhere that people who disagree with your viewpoints are stupid.  Fair enough. But, just out of curiosity, what happens if you hold a view about something and then change that view after a period of time?  For example, if the view was based on faulty or incorrect information at the time. Are the people who were opposed to your original viewpoint then no longer classified as stupid to your mind? And do you then get frustrated or angry with yourself that you formerly held what you now know to be the wrong view? 

I’ve changed my views on plenty of things. And I don’t think people who disagree with me are stupid. I think people who deny facts and embrace anything that has negative consequences are stupid.
 

For example, I was very behind supporting Ukraine in this war, but over two years later, I see the United States spending more money and supporting Ukraine, then doing anything about issues in this country. That’s why I don’t pay attention to that war anymore.

I used to be in favor of trans rights until social media became a tool of influence and exploitation used to promote the manipulation of children into making gender and sexuality decisions before they are mature enough to fully understand.

I was a Joe Biden supporter when he was running for president and now I’m just happy he’s not Donald Trump.

[Professor Pigworth]

23 hours ago, HipKat said:

I’ve changed my views on plenty of things. And I don’t think people who disagree with me are stupid. I think people who deny facts and embrace anything that has negative consequences are stupid.
 

For example, I was very behind supporting Ukraine in this war, but over two years later, I see the United States spending more money and supporting Ukraine, then doing anything about issues in this country. That’s why I don’t pay attention to that war anymore.

I used to be in favor of trans rights until social media became a tool of influence and exploitation used to promote the manipulation of children into making gender and sexuality decisions before they are mature enough to fully understand.

I was a Joe Biden supporter when he was running for president and now I’m just happy he’s not Donald Trump.

 

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To be honest with you, I don’t know what the media says about Russia winning or losing the war because I don’t pay attention to any of it just like I don’t pay attention to any of the war in Gaza.

what I do know is that when things like this come up and I go research anything, I see the front line, hasn’t moved, still, which indicates that nobody is winning the war.

 

Before this war, I took it for granted that the mostly negative portrayal of Putin by Western media was more or less true.  Now I believe that most of what was and is said is untrue.  He's no angel of course, but he's infinitely more competent -- and popular in his country --  than someone like Biden is in his.  The US and its allies have a long history of demonising whoever their enemy is. That is, countries they wish there to be regime change in and whose mineral wealth or something else they want to get their hands on.  I'm happy for the Africans who have in recent times begun to overthrow their corrupt rulers who were in league with the US, France, etc., to exploit their mineral wealth, providing bribe money for the rulers but resulting largely in perpetual poverty for their populations. It was touch and go for a while whether ECOWAS -- controlled by the US, France, etc., and which exists to enforce neo-colonial control over Africans-- would invade Gabon and Niger, I think it was. 

If you're interested, here's an interview from yesterday with Jeffrey Sachs that paints a completely different picture of events in Ukraine than the MSM. It's a good overview of how the US's unipolarity is unravelling thanks in large part to the incompetence and arrogance in the approach of the US's foreign policy. The State Department is notoriously bad at listening to the concerns of other countries and is in the habit of dictating terms. China and Russia and most of the rest of the world want peace.  The US wants chaos. The US inherited the British Empire's policy of divide and conquer in the Middle East and elsewhere and continued with it after WWII. This has caused a lot of misery in the world with all the coups, etc, that the US has instigated. 

As for Ukraine, early last year there was a lot of momentum for a peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia.  Both sides were eager to get it done. Ukraine would have kept all its territory except for Crimea, and Russia would have gotten a guarantee of Ukraine not joining NATO. The US didn't want peace, however.  They wanted war and used their influence to force Ukraine to renege on the peace treaty they were about to sign. Their thinking was that a war would weaken Russia and maybe cause it to collapse. They were also hell-bent on bringing Ukraine into NATO because the expansion of NATO is crucial to them. The next time you hear Biden or someone say "Putin could stop this war today if he wanted," just remember that it was Putin who wanted to sign a peace treaty to avoid war, and it was the US that did everything to provoke a war with Russia.

 

 

[Professor Pigworth]

Update on Ukraine, Middle East, and Asia-Pacific for November 19, 2023:

The Ukraine proxy war is at a dead end with Russia inevitably winning unless the US and its allies intervene more directly.

Russia has been stockpiling missiles over the past several months for what could be a massive offensive or possibly in preparation for multiple contingencies related to US-NATO involvement in either Ukraine, the Middle East, or both.

Israel military operations in Gaza continue erasing the civilian population from Gaza City with the Israeli military recently ordering the “evacuation” of the Al Shifa Hospita.

The evacuation of Al Shifa Hospital, besides being ordered by Israel, has been necessitated by the humanitarian crisis Israeli forces have created by cutting off food, energy, and other essential services across Gaza.

Israeli government decision to allow “two trucks” to enter Gaza daily to provide fuel and sewage services equates to maintaining the blockage.

Israeli administration continues insisting operations seek to eliminate Hama despite the fact it maneuvered Hamas into power in the first place, specifically to serve as a pretext to erase Gaza and provoke conflict in the region.

Even as the US invited Chinese President Xi Jinping to the US for the APEC Summit, the US continues its policy of encircling China in Asia-Pacific.

The US continues arming Taiwan despite officially recognizing Taiwan as part of China under the US’ “One China” policy.

The US has signed a “nuclear deal” with the Philippines after Manila canceled joint rail projects with China, signaling a continued shift away from development and toward crippling dependence on the US.

A moth-balled nuclear power plant exists in the Philippines, construction initiated by the current president’s father, but shut down amid safety and corruption concerns.

 

 

[Professor Pigworth]

The US's Monroe Doctrine states that any interference in the political affairs in the Americas by any great power will be considered a hostile act by the US.  The US government, however, hypocritically and arrogantly cannot put itself in the shoes of, e.g., the Russians and allow them the same right.  And so for years the US has pushed for NATO expansion into Ukraine up to the Russian border, which was the biggest cause of the Russian invasion. 

Western leaders did not negotiate in good faith with Putin during the Minsk negotiations. They were mainly interested in stalling for time to further arm and prepare Ukraine.  Putin now believes he was too trusting of the West and will not be so quick to trust them again.

The Russians have thus far waged a limited war in Ukraine. More civilians have been killed by the Israelis in 30 days than Ukrainians in 563 days. Putin's original intention was never to conquer all of Ukraine, as that would have required two or three million men rather than the 190,000 they went in with.

If Putin had been replaced-- e.g., during the Wagner uprising, though he was never at any real risk of that -- it would likely have been by someone more hardline. 

Perhaps we should all be happy the Russians are winning this war, as there was always the risk they could resort to using a limited number of nuclear weapons against the Ukrainians had they lost, which could then have escalated into something far worse for everyone. 

 

 

[HipKat]

Nothing like watching so-called civilized people celebrate the potential destruction of an allied country.

Next, you’ll join with the misinformed and disillusioned college generation, and start telling us how justified Osama bin laden was.