ICRockets2 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Just now, Toofast80 said: Aren’t we lucky that these “journalists” have already tried and convicted him of these “offenses” already 👍. So you're saying you hope he faces criminal charges so we can get to the bottom of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofast80 Posted September 18 Author Share Posted September 18 2 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Pretty important word here. The sexual activity between Brand and the 16 year old was illegal not because of her age but because he performed an aggressive act she didn't consent to. Were you there? After the supposed 3 months all of a sudden it became “non-consensual”!? Interesting, is it possible she’s lying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 minute ago, Toofast80 said: Were you there? After the supposed 3 months all of a sudden it became “non-consensual”!? Interesting, is it possible she’s lying? Consent is a constant thing that can be revoked at any time. If your girlfriend has sex with you once, that doesn't mean the options tomorrow are "have sex with me again, because I want to" or "I guess you've lost interest and we have to break up". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofast80 Posted September 18 Author Share Posted September 18 Just now, ICRockets2 said: Consent is a constant thing that can be revoked at any time. If your girlfriend has sex with you once, that doesn't mean the options tomorrow are "have sex with me again, because I want to" or "I guess you've lost interest and we have to break up". And? You yap and yap, without admitting or realizing you have no fucking clue if any of it is “true or false”. It’s nothing now, a “Channel 4 investigative news exclusive” is all that is needed for ICR the queen to hang a MAN, since it hates Men!🤣🤦♂️🤤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 14 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Pretty important word here. The sexual activity between Brand and the 16 year old was illegal not because of her age but because he performed an aggressive act she didn't consent to. And why should we believe her? Because a woman would NEVER LIE about her sexual history? Gimme a fucking break. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Just now, Toofast80 said: And? You yap and yap, without admitting or realizing you have no fucking clue if any of it is “true or false”. And you do? Neither of us can know for certain either way at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 minute ago, shiva2999 said: And why should we believe her? Because NOT believing women who come forward with sexual assault allegations makes it easier to get away with sexual assault. Since I think sexual assault is bad, I want it to happen less often to fewer people. 3 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Because a woman would NEVER LIE about her sexual history? Obviously it happens sometimes, but it's pretty well-documented that false rape allegations happen at the same rate as false allegations of other crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 25 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: And you do? Neither of us can know for certain either way at this time. No one will ever"know for certain" but the smear has already done it's job. 1 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 23 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Because NOT believing women who come forward with sexual assault allegations makes it easier to get away with sexual assault. Since I think sexual assault is bad, I want it to happen less often to fewer people. Obviously it happens sometimes, but it's pretty well-documented that false rape allegations happen at the same rate as false allegations of other crimes. 1. Is it that bad that tossing a few innocent men in the slammer for a crime they didn't commit is worth it? 2. Whatever that'she supposed to mean... Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 8 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: 1. Is it that bad that tossing a few innocent men in the slammer for a crime they didn't commit is worth it? From an ideological standpoint, obviously no reasonable person wants that to happen. From a practical standpoint, I'd prefer that non-ideal problem to the non-ideal problem of more women being raped. There's an appeals process that exists for the innocent men that does not exist for women who've just been raped. A society that protects victims and takes them seriously is far more apt to treat wrongfully imprisoned people compassionately than a society that mocks victims and trivializes their suffering, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 2 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: From an ideological standpoint, obviously no reasonable person wants that to happen. From a practical standpoint, I'd prefer that non-ideal problem to the non-ideal problem of more women being raped. Really? How many innocent men are you willing to send to hell to address the problem? Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 minute ago, shiva2999 said: Really? How many innocent men are you willing to send to hell to address the problem? None. Since that's likely not practical at this time, I hope it happens to as few as possible and that they are able to win their appeals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 7 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: None. Since that's likely not practical at this time, I hope it happens to as few as possible and that they are able to win their appeals. The only way to know for sure is not to make it happen in the first place. Remember, innocent until PROVEN GUILTY. Even involving a "crime" that one second ruins your life and the very next second provides a fond memory as you go through life. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 5 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: The only way to know for sure is not to make it happen in the first place. The only way to make it not happen is to never prosecute sex crimes. 6 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Even involving a "crime" that one second ruins your life and the very next second provides a fond memory as you go through life. Well at least now we all see plainly that your issue here isn't that you think Brand isn't a rapist, but rather that you think rape is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 20 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: The only way to make it not happen is to never prosecute sex crimes. Well at least now we all see plainly that your issue here isn't that you think Brand isn't a rapist, but rather that you think rape is good. 1. Not true. 2. Now you smear me. Surprise, surprise. 1 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 34 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: 1. Not true. 2. Now you smear me. Surprise, surprise. 1. Yes, true. Human error can never be fully eliminated from jury verdicts. 2. That's not a smear, it's what you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 46 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: 1. Yes, true. Human error can never be fully eliminated from jury verdicts. 2. That's not a smear, it's what you said. 1. Indeed. So what? 2. And this is a lie. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 8 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: 1. Indeed. So what? 2. And this is a lie. 1. So there will always be a possibility for wrongful conviction. The idea is to build the best society you can to limit that possibility and also mitigate its negative effects as much as possible. 2. No, sadly, it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said: 1. So there will always be a possibility for wrongful conviction. The idea is to build the best society you can to limit that possibility and also mitigate its negative effects as much as possible. 2. No, sadly, it isn't. 1. Should wrongful decisions be tolerated as long as a high percentage of the decisions are correct? Some innocents are needed to suffer unfairly to guarantee the punishment of the truly guilty? 2. Oh, yes it is, whatever emotions are attached to your preferred narrative. 1 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 19 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: 1. Should wrongful decisions be tolerated No. There should be robust appeals processes to ensure that when they happen they are analyzed and overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 13 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: No. There should be robust appeals processes to ensure that when they happen they are analyzed and overturned. Should and is aren't always the same thing. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 11 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Should and is aren't always the same thing. Correct and entirely irrelevant to the conversation we're having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 7 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Correct and entirely irrelevant to the conversation we're having. The feasible is always relevant. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 34 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: The feasible is always relevant. What is feasible and what IS are not the same. There's nothing unfeasible about the standards I believe we ought to set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofast80 Posted September 19 Author Share Posted September 19 Guilty until proven innocent! All allegations are a decade to 2 decades in the past. https://www.yahoo.com/news/youtube-suspends-russell-brand-making-074123375.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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