ICRockets2 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Just now, HipKat said: Because there's' no such thing as intel, interrogation or the fact almost ALL of his generals were in Afghanistan. Or do you think Military interrogators don't know how to do their jobs? A few things: 1) If he had trusted generals in Afghanistan, that would be a very understandable rationale for believing his organization would be in good hands in his absence. 2) We know torture was de rigeur during the War On Terror and we also know torture yields unreliable testimony. It is feasible that we got the Intel we wanted from these interrogations rather than Intel that was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, shiva2999 said: Huh? You'll have to explain this one cuz this makes zero sense to me Because you're not smart? Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, shiva2999 said: There is ZERO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND that bin Laden was in Afghanistan in 2003 or in that shithole in Pakistan a few years later. ZERO. NADA. BUPKIS. Look, you guys are gonna believe what you want to believe, but please don't pretend you have a rational reason for believing either dog and pony show. People who have dementia are known to trust no one and question everything. Food for thought.... Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 43 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Who gets to decide what's plausible or not? You made the assertion. You cannot back it up IN ANY WAY other than the word of American government officials. And why should ANYONE believe them? Because of your reputation for honesty and fair play? Negro, pleeeeze.... And you cannot back up that he was anywhere OTHER than Afghanistan - which has far more evidence than anything that says he wasn't Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 7 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: A few things: 1) If he had trusted generals in Afghanistan, that would be a very understandable rationale for believing his organization would be in good hands in his absence. 2) We know torture was de rigeur during the War On Terror and we also know torture yields unreliable testimony. It is feasible that we got the Intel we wanted from these interrogations rather than Intel that was true. We know there were instances of torture. That doesn't mean every interrogation includes torture. I would say, having been in military intelligence in Korea in the Army, there's a very good chance I have much clearer insight into this than you do and those incidents were a microcosm of every interrogation conducted Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 17 minutes ago, HipKat said: How do you know he wasn't? Try to get it through your fat fucking head. "Because we say so!" requires no rebuttal. There is ZERO EVIDENCE the real Bin Laden was in that building in Pakistan. There was every opportunity in the official announcement to provide it. None was offered. And neither are you offering any. Just phony outrage at having to actually think rather than cheerlead. Boring and stupid. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 15 minutes ago, HipKat said: We know there were instances of torture. That doesn't mean every interrogation includes torture. I would say, having been in military intelligence in Korea in the Army, there's a very good chance I have much clearer insight into this than you do and those incidents were a microcosm of every interrogation conducted When it's proven that you used "enhanced interrogation" commonly enough that people realized there was systemic value to whistleblowing, you lose the benefit of the doubt that any individual interrogation could ONLY have been on the up and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 28 minutes ago, HipKat said: Right, don't you have a Putin pic to knock one out to? Putin? Bitch please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 10 hours ago, shiva2999 said: Try to get it through your fat fucking head. "Because we say so!" requires no rebuttal. There is ZERO EVIDENCE the real Bin Laden was in that building in Pakistan. There was every opportunity in the official announcement to provide it. None was offered. And neither are you offering any. Just phony outrage at having to actually think rather than cheerlead. Boring and stupid. WRONG!!! I can make the same baseless, contradictory accusations as you. There is no evidence he WASN'T in that building. Do you have any?? NO! Do you have anywhere else WITH EVIDENCE of where he was OTHER than that building?? And where has this hater of America who orchestrated the worst terrorist attack on US soil been the last 12 years?? Do have any answers at all or just empty statements with NOTHING to back them up. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 10 hours ago, ICRockets2 said: When it's proven that you used "enhanced interrogation" commonly enough that people realized there was systemic value to whistleblowing, you lose the benefit of the doubt that any individual interrogation could ONLY have been on the up and up. The only reported instances of torture were those at Abu Graib (sic) and then, only for a brief period. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, HipKat said: WRONG!!! I can make the same baseless, contradictory accusations as you. There is no evidence he WASN'T in that building. It's hard to believe you're really this stupid. https://contractbook.com/dictionary/burden-of-proof What is burden of proof? Burden of proof, simply put, is when it falls to the prosecuting party to prove its case by providing a sufficient amount of evidence to support its claims or allegations. In criminal cases, prosecuting legal teams have the burden to prove their claims beyond a reasonable doubt. Meaning that there is no chance that anything but what they are claiming to be the truth. A burden of proof fallacy is when a person tries to eschew their need to provide proof. They can do so by denying an event, by pretending they have already offered their burden of proof, or by saying it is someone else’s duty to provide the burden of proof. In all of these cases, at the crux of the burden of proof fallacy is the fact that an individual totally ignores the need to provide a burden of proof for any claim. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 18 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: It's hard to believe you're really this stupid. https://contractbook.com/dictionary/burden-of-proof What is burden of proof? Burden of proof, simply put, is when it falls to the prosecuting party to prove its case by providing a sufficient amount of evidence to support its claims or allegations. In criminal cases, prosecuting legal teams have the burden to prove their claims beyond a reasonable doubt. Meaning that there is no chance that anything but what they are claiming to be the truth. A burden of proof fallacy is when a person tries to eschew their need to provide proof. They can do so by denying an event, by pretending they have already offered their burden of proof, or by saying it is someone else’s duty to provide the burden of proof. In all of these cases, at the crux of the burden of proof fallacy is the fact that an individual totally ignores the need to provide a burden of proof for any claim. You are the one that’s a fucking retard. It’s already long given and widely accepted that Osama bin laden was killed in Pakistan by the American military in 2011. You are the lone dissenter. You are the prosecuting party. So make your fucking case and have some evidence or go fuck yourself. It is highly amusing to see somebody who consistently claims to be so intelligent look so stupid. The fact that I basically can’t stand you makes it even that much more enjoyable for me. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 1 minute ago, HipKat said: You are the one that’s a fucking retard. It’s already long given and widely accepted that Osama bin laden was killed in Pakistan by the American military in 2011. For thousands of years it was long given and widely accepted that the sun revolved around the earth. Sorry, but majority opinion does not guarantee truth. Evidence does, and you have NO EVIDENCE that what you claim is true. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Just now, shiva2999 said: For thousands of years it was long given and widely accepted that the sun revolved around the earth. Sorry, but majority opinion does not guarantee truth. Evidence does, and you have NO EVIDENCE that what you claim is true. Do you know why it’s no longer excepted that the sun revolves around the Earth? Because somebody in the same position you’re in made an accusation that the earth actually revolves around the sun, and they brought EvIdEnCe with them to present to make their case. on a day were you have excelled at being an idiot, you’ve just outdone yourself 1 Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 16 minutes ago, HipKat said: Do you know why it’s no longer excepted that the sun revolves around the Earth? Because somebody in the same position you’re in made an accusation that the earth actually revolves around the sun, and they brought EvIdEnCe with them to present to make their case. That's right. Galileo made the argument that, contrary to popular and official belief that the sun revolved around the earth, the earth actually revolved around the sun. He provided reasoning and evidence. Guess what popular and official belief did to him? Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, shiva2999 said: That's right. Galileo made the argument that, contrary to popular and official belief that the sun revolved around the earth, the earth actually revolved around the sun. He provided reasoning and evidence. Guess what popular and official belief did to him? So where is your reasoning and evidence? Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 53 minutes ago, HipKat said: So where is your reasoning and evidence? I present the reasoning and evidence for my opinions, you don't. Everyone recognizes that, even ICR and Mick. You aren't impressing anyone other than the Z-man's acolytes who'll happily suck the dicks of anyone stupid enough to agree with you. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 51 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: I present the reasoning and evidence for my opinions, you don't. Everyone recognizes that, even ICR and Mick. You aren't impressing anyone other than the Z-man's acolytes who'll happily suck the dicks of anyone stupid enough to agree with you. You are presented no evidence other than because you said it’s not true. Show me some fucking evidence that it’s not true. And that’s not what ICR and Mick are arguing. You made the fucking claim, back it up. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 5 hours ago, HipKat said: The only reported instances of torture were those at Abu Graib (sic) and then, only for a brief period. Categorically untrue, torture at Gitmo is also well-documented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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