You're known by the company you keep...

[ICRockets2]

Just now, shiva2999 said:

I certainly haven't read anything explaining how you differ.

You shouldn't need to.

You know Mitch McConnell's position.

You should know my position.

If you are sentient, you can think about those positions and figure it out for yourself where they differ.

[shiva2999]

1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said:

You shouldn't need to.

You know Mitch McConnell's position.

You should know my position.

If you are sentient, you can think about those positions and figure it out for yourself where they differ.

Oh, I have thought about it and I can't see any differences.

Enlighten me...

[ICRockets2]

3 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

Oh, I have thought about it and I can't see any differences.

Enlighten me...

Make a case for why you don't think there's a difference and I'll correct it if I feel you've made an honest attempt to present my position in good faith.

[shiva2999]

15 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Make a case for why you don't think there's a difference and I'll correct it if I feel you've made an honest attempt to present my position in good faith.

LOL!

Keep dancing...

 

[shiva2999]

Mitt Romney agrees with ICR...

 

[ICRockets2]

8 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

Mitt Romney agrees with ICR...

 

He does?

When did I say my position is that I support Ukraine for the sake of America?

[shiva2999]

Chuck Schumer...

Don't worry Z-man, he has your back!

And so does ICR!

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4192436-schumer-says-briefing-highlighted-unanimity-on-aid-to-ukraine/

 

Schumer says briefing highlighted ‘unanimity’ on aid to Ukraine

BY LAURA KELLY AND ARIS FOLLEY - 09/07/23

 

Leading Democrats and Republicans are unanimous in thinking that the United States should provide more military and financial assistance for Ukraine, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Thursday after a closed-door briefing on the state of the Russia-Ukraine war. 

“The briefing made it so clear that we need to continue significant aid to Ukraine,” he told reporters.

 

“Our aid is making a difference, but we’re at an inflection point and turning back now would have very disastrous consequences for Ukraine, and in general for our foreign policy.”

Schumer said that leading Democrats and Republicans in the room expressed “unanimity on the need for more aid, and we’re going to figure out the best way to get it.”

The briefing was provided by national security adviser Jake Sullivan and both Senate and House lawmakers attended. 

President Biden sent Congress a request last month for $24 billion in more funding for Ukraine, part of a larger $40 billion supplemental funding request.  

...more...

 

 

[shiva2999]

5 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

He does?

When did I say my position is that I support Ukraine for the sake of America?

It's just a happy coincidence?

That the righteous and the scumbags can come together to right an egregious wrong?

This isn't Middle Earth.

[ICRockets2]

18 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

It's just a happy coincidence?

That the righteous and the scumbags can come together to right an egregious wrong?

Yeah.  I'm on the same side as scumbags just like I was when Russia and I both opposed the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

[shiva2999]

48 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Yeah.  I'm on the same side as scumbags just like I was when Russia and I both opposed the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

That was easy to do. Neither Iraq or Afghanistan had WMDs and had done nothing wrong and were on the other side of the globe.

This one is different as has been explained ad nauseum.

 

[ICRockets2]

33 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

That was easy to do. Neither Iraq or Afghanistan had WMDs and had done nothing wrong and were on the other side of the globe.

This one is different as has been explained ad nauseum.

 

And you're wrong about Ukraine, as has been explained ad nauseum.

[HipKat]

On 9/7/2023 at 1:41 PM, RichJ said:

Speaking of company, how is spunked? 😉 .

Give him our regards. 

I promise he reads this every day still

[HipKat]

13 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

That was easy to do. Neither Iraq or Afghanistan had WMDs and had done nothing wrong and were on the other side of the globe.

This one is different as has been explained ad nauseum.

 

Yes on Iraq, Afghanistan is where bin Laden was hiding. We neer attacked Afghanistan, we attacked the Taliban

[shiva2999]

1 minute ago, HipKat said:

Yes on Iraq, Afghanistan is where bin Laden was hiding. We neer attacked Afghanistan, we attacked the Taliban

There was never any proof Bin Laden was in Afghanistan.

The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11.

[shiva2999]

13 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

And you're wrong about Ukraine, as has been explained ad nauseum.

Claims are not explanations.

I'm right, you're an MIC apologist.

Tell me, what conflict has America ever initiated where it wasn't certain of its righteousness?

[ICRockets2]

2 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

 

Tell me, what conflict has America ever initiated where it wasn't certain of its righteousness?

America is not a monolith.  

There were massive anti-war protest movements against Vietnam and Iraq, so obviously we weren't certain of our righteousness then.

Hell, there was even an anti-interventionist movement during WW2.

[shiva2999]

More from the Putin loving middle aged Aussie hippy bitch, Caitlin Johnstone...

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/07/caitlin-johnstone-re-reading-john-pilger/

 

Caitlin Johnstone: Re-Reading John Pilger

September 7, 2023

 

In March of 2016 the renowned Australian journalist and filmmaker John Pilger published an article titled “A world war has begun. Break the silence.” which urgently warned of the U.S. empire’s aggressive escalations against Russia and China. Re-reading parts of it in 2023 is like watching someone placing flags next to recently planted seeds that would eventually grow into the towering problems our world now faces. 

It’s like listening to a time traveler warning people from the past about a grave mistake they were about to make. Pilger points to U.S. provocations in Ukraine, NATO militarism and the encirclement of China and warns of the surging risk of nuclear war, noting that nuclear warhead spending “rose higher under [Barack] Obama than under any American president.” 

“In the last 18 months, the greatest build-up of military forces since World War Two — led by the United States — is taking place along Russia’s western frontier,” Pilger wrote. “Not since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union have foreign troops presented such a demonstrable threat to Russia.”

 

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“Ukraine — once part of the Soviet Union — has become a C.I.A. theme park,” wrote Pilger. “Having orchestrated a coup in Kiev, Washington effectively controls a regime that is next door and hostile to Russia: a regime rotten with Nazis, literally. Prominent parliamentary figures in Ukraine are the political descendants of the notorious OUN and UPA fascists. They openly praise Hitler and call for the persecution and expulsion of the Russian speaking minority.”

“In Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia — next door to Russia — the U.S. military is deploying combat troops, tanks, heavy weapons,” Pilger said. “This extreme provocation of the world’s second nuclear power is met with silence in the West.”

“What makes the prospect of nuclear war even more dangerous is a parallel campaign against China,” Pilger continued. “The United States is encircling China with a network of bases, with ballistic missiles, battle groups, nuclear-armed bombers. This lethal arc extends from Australia to the islands of the Pacific, the Marianas and the Marshalls and Guam, to the Philippines, Thailand, Okinawa, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India. America has hung a noose around the neck of China. This is not news. Silence by media; war by media.”

Pilger highlighted the way his home country Australia was being roped into Washington’s war preparations against China, a trend which has since grown much worse as the drums of war grow louder.

“In 2015, in high secrecy, the U.S. and Australia staged the biggest single air-sea military exercise in recent history, known as Talisman Saber,” he wrote. “Its aim was to rehearse an Air-Sea Battle Plan, blocking sea lanes, such as the Straits of Malacca and the Lombok Straits, that cut off China’s access to oil, gas and other vital raw materials from the Middle East and Africa.”

Pilger wrote all this while preparing to release his excellent film The Coming War on China, which would come out later that year. In it, he shows how the U.S. has been surrounding China with war machinery in a way that would be considered an act of war if it was happening near American shorelines, and drives home the seriousness of the prospect of nuclear conflict.

Everything Pilger warned about turned out to be everything he said it was. A war in Ukraine has erupted from the spark of the U.S.-backed coup in 2014 and Russia’s fear of an increasingly expansionist and militaristic NATO, while the U.S. military encirclement of China has been rapidly increasing as hostilities between the two superpowers accelerate toward a breaking point, facilitated in no small part by the continent-sized military base known as Australia. What were only background stories in 2016 now dominate the headlines of today. I bring this up because I think it’s useful to show that we’ve been on this track toward global conflict between major powers for years, and it’s been unfolding in ways that some saw coming from miles away. Much of Pilger’s work could be called prophetic, but Pilger is no prophet — he’s just a journalist with an ear to the ground who’s been critically scrutinizing the behavior of the empire for decades. He was able to accurately mark the trajectory our world has been on earlier than most and it has continued along that same trajectory with frightening speed ever since.

If you can see the trajectory that an object is on, you can determine where you need to stand in order to obstruct its path. The fact that we’ve been on a linear trajectory toward global conflict between nuclear-armed states all these years shows that opposing that trajectory is of existential importance for every living organism on this planet. And yet the media still want us focused on celebrity gossip and party politics and Donald Trump.

World war is still closing in on us. We still need to break the silence and oppose it. Our rulers have been steering us in this direction for a long time now, and they’re not going to turn away until we make them.

 

[HipKat]

29 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

There was never any proof Bin Laden was in Afghanistan.

The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11.

You.Are.Stupid.As.Fuck

What country were the al Queda training camps in??

Where was bin Laden for years prior to 9/11?

Recognize your idiocy

[ICRockets2]

3 minutes ago, HipKat said:

You.Are.Stupid.As.Fuck

What country were the al Queda training camps in??

Where was bin Laden for years prior to 9/11?

Recognize your idiocy

He's not wrong on this one.  We didn't invade Afghanistan to find him prior to 9/11, we did it after.  

When we found him years later it was in Pakistan.

It's certainly possible he was in Afghanistan at some point in the interim, but as far as I know there's no concrete public intel saying so.

[shiva2999]

2 hours ago, HipKat said:

You.Are.Stupid.As.Fuck

What country were the al Queda training camps in??

Where was bin Laden for years prior to 9/11?

Recognize your idiocy

OR maybe, just maybe, bin Laden ALWAYS was an American CIA operative and disappeared after 9/11 back to the Bin Laden fortress to live out the rest of his life knowing he protected the family from the CIA and the Saudi monarchy.

[ICRockets2]

2 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

OR maybe, just maybe, bin Laden ALWAYS was an American CIA operative and disappeared after 9/11 back to the Bin Laden fortress to live out the rest of his life knowing he protected the family from the CIA and the Saudi monarchy.

You realize the argument you're making right now is that the CIA is honorable and trustworthy, right?

Why is "they're letting him live off the grid peacefully" more likely than "they killed him because he was a loose end"?

[shiva2999]

50 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

You realize the argument you're making right now is that the CIA is honorable and trustworthy, right?

Why is "they're letting him live off the grid peacefully" more likely than "they killed him because he was a loose end"?

1. Don't be silly.

2. Because they have a long time deal with the Bin Laden family. They do the CIA's bidding and the CIA protects the family from the royal family.

[RichJ]

4 hours ago, HipKat said:

I promise he reads this every day still

Must suck not being able to reply. 

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

the royal family.

NOW I get it.

I knew you were in someone's pocket, it just seemed too easy for it to be Russia's.  

But the fact that you can't even say WHICH royal family made me realize: you've always been the Saudis' bitch. 

It was in our faces all along.  Who benefits the most when someone takes up all the air in the room antagonizing everybody else with 9/11 conspiracism?

The real perpetrators, of course.

Saudi Arabia has the most corrupt, demonically evil government in the world.  And for 22 years your posts have been entirely to their benefit.

[HipKat]

6 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

He's not wrong on this one.  We didn't invade Afghanistan to find him prior to 9/11, we did it after.  

When we found him years later it was in Pakistan.

It's certainly possible he was in Afghanistan at some point in the interim, but as far as I know there's no concrete public intel saying so.

Sigh, first, no shit it was after 9/11 and the Intel was that The Taliban was protecting him - IN Afghanistan. Which makes sense since he fought for Afghanistan and lived there prior to 9/11