Something I'd Like To Think We Can All Agree On

[ICRockets2]

Can we all agree that this is indefensibly fucked up, and everyone who had a hand in letting it get to this point should never hold public office for the rest of their lives?

[f8ta1ity54]

My guess is that the majority of people this affects are black. The system is working as designed.

[ICRockets2]

9 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

My guess is that the majority of people this affects are black. The system is working as designed.

One thing we know for SURE is that the majority of people it affects are poor.  So yes, it is absolutely the system working as designed.

[HipKat]

1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said:

Can we all agree that this is indefensibly fucked up, and everyone who had a hand in letting it get to this point should never hold public office for the rest of their lives?

Like the cop shooting, this is fucking tragic. It's forced imprisonment pre-judgement.

This country's NEED to lock up as many poor and lower income people as they can is outrageous. And not enough people care to force a change. HIGHLY extensive sentences that are far beyond logical that only turn prisoners into caged animals who can no longer function in the rest of the world.

And that's another thing. The completely different world and rules that are part of being imprisoned. Where it's intentionally a survival of the strongest environment with NO rehabilitation.

That in itself is criminal. Prison will kill whatever in you that was good in most cases

[Herodotus]

1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

My guess is that the majority of people this affects are black. The system is working as designed.

And it will remain so until we amend the 13th Amendment to strike out the glaring loophole that allows for slavery as punishment of crime.  If there is one thing worse than the Military Industrial Complex, its the Prison Industrial Complex. 

[Herodotus]

7 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Like the cop shooting, this is fucking tragic. It's forced imprisonment pre-judgement.

This country's NEED to lock up as many poor and lower income people as they can is outrageous. And not enough people care to force a change. HIGHLY extensive sentences that are far beyond logical that only turn prisoners into caged animals who can no longer function in the rest of the world.

And that's another thing. The completely different world and rules that are part of being imprisoned. Where it's intentionally a survival of the strongest environment with NO rehabilitation.

That in itself is criminal. Prison will whatever in you that was good in most cases

I completely agree, but lets understand why we have so many people behind bars, especially for non violent offenses.  Think about it, you get someone doing 5 to 20 for a non violent crime you get a captive labor pool that sees work as a privilege, you don't have to worry about 401K or pensions or insurance premiums or withholding, any income they make pays off the cost of their incarceration and any money they have left over goes to commissary which outrageously overcharges them for foodstuffs and soaps and detergent so they can feel almost like humans again and if you are smart you own the commissary too so you have 100 percent pure profit.  They start complaining about labor conditions? You send them to the hole, lengthen their sentence, and deny them the opportunity to work for you.  

So if you are a greedy bastard, who do you pay? If I answer the call for you, input customer loan info and what not you are paying me 27.00 an hour.  A prisoner in this state answers the phone, inputs customer data? You pay him a maximum of 7.50 a day and as little as 7.50 a month.  You read that right.  In Missouri 7.50 a month to 7.50 a day, in Kansas its a bit better anywhere from 45 cents an hour to minimum wage but they pay back a lot of that wage in restitution and boarding.  So tell me, if you are greedy, and have no qualms about exploiting labor, who do you pay? Someone like me who costs you 27.00 an hour and who you have to match 401K and help insure or some schmuck in prison for a drug charge who won't clear 27 dollars until his fourth month working for you?  Oh and the PIC can drive the wages of the free population down and as nobody wants to look soft on crime nobody is ever going to call for less prisons and win an election.  

[HipKat]

1 minute ago, Herodotus said:

I completely agree, but lets understand why we have so many people behind bars, especially for non violent offenses.  Think about it, you get someone doing 5 to 20 for a non violent crime you get a captive labor pool that sees work as a privilege, you don't have to worry about 401K or pensions or insurance premiums or withholding, any income they make pays off the cost of their incarceration and any money they have left over goes to commissary which outrageously overcharges them for foodstuffs and soaps and detergent so they can feel almost like humans again and if you are smart you own the commissary too so you have 100 percent pure profit.  They start complaining about labor conditions? You send them to the hole, lengthen their sentence, and deny them the opportunity to work for you.  

So if you are a greedy bastard, who do you pay? If I answer the call for you, input customer loan info and what not you are paying me 27.00 an hour.  A prisoner in this state answers the phone, inputs customer data? You pay him a maximum of 7.50 a day and as little as 7.50 a month.  You read that right.  In Missouri 7.50 a month to 7.50 a day, in Kansas its a bit better anywhere from 45 cents an hour to minimum wage but they pay back a lot of that wage in restitution and boarding.  So tell me, if you are greedy, and have no qualms about exploiting labor, who do you pay? Someone like me who costs you 27.00 an hour and who you have to match 401K and help insure or some schmuck in prison for a drug charge who won't clear 27 dollars until his fourth month working for you?  Oh and the PIC can drive the wages of the free population down and as nobody wants to look soft on crime nobody is ever going to call for less prisons and win an election.  

Yeah, that too

[shiva2999]

 

[Toofast80]

OMG,  we can all agree upon the “states” lack of providing adequate “lawyers” towards those that they’ve accused of crimes 🤣! Coming from TBRs self-proclaimed “anarchist” 🤣🤣🤣! You CANNOT be this fucking stupid ICR!? Ugh, I have come to understand that you are this stupid, and even more so than even initially fathomable.👍

[ICRockets2]

47 minutes ago, Toofast80 said:

OMG,  we can all agree upon the “states” lack of providing adequate “lawyers” towards those that they’ve accused of crimes 🤣! Coming from TBRs self-proclaimed “anarchist” 🤣🤣🤣! You CANNOT be this fucking stupid ICR!? Ugh, I have come to understand that you are this stupid, and even more so than even initially fathomable.👍

Literally NOBODY on the planet talks like this.  What the fuck is wrong with you?

[HipKat]

14 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

 

Ahh man, haven't seen this in years!!!