Interesting Trump, NATO, Ukraine, and Nordstream Comments via Carlson vs Orban Interview

SackMan518 · September 2

I can tell that Orban knows what's going on and tell it the way it is and especially scuttles the propaganda Ukraine stuff. I just have the snippets of the ones I like.

Carlson: So, in the United States, the view is that Ukraine is winning this war. Doesn't sound like that's true?

Orbán: It's a lie. It's not a misunderstanding. It's a lie. It's impossible. Everybody who is in politics and understand the logic, the figures, the data - no way.

Carlson: Why's it impossible?

Orbán: Ukrainians die everyday, hundreds of thousands - my heart is with them. It's tragedy. It's tragedy for Ukraine. They run out earlier of the soldiers than the Russians. What finally will count is boots on the ground. And the Russians are far stronger. More numbers.

Carlson: Many more.

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Carlson: I have to ask you about Nordstream. It seems very obvious that the Biden administration blew up Nordstream, either directly or through proxies. I haven't heard anyone dispute that, really. How is Western Europe, Germany in particular (the biggest NATO member in Europe), not say anything about this? It just crushed the German economy. Why don't they say a word about it?

Orbán: When it is happened, we recommended it as a terrorist attack. It was rejected in Germany and the West. It was not a terrorist attack, it was... SOMETHING [both laugh]. It's kind of evidence of lack of sovereignty. But it's the job of the Germans, I would not like to criticise them. What we Hungarians did immediately, we made clear there is another pipeline, not just Nordic stream but a Southern stream, coming from Russia through the Southern corridor - Turkey, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary - and, together with the Serbian Prime Minister, err, President, we made it clear that if anybody would like to do the same with the Southern corridor as was done with the Northern one, we consider it as a reason for war, a terrorist attack, we will immediately react. So don't do that. Probably you can do it to the Germans, but you can't with this region.

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Carlson: No, it was not... So if you were in charge of NATO, or say [if you were] Joe Biden, what would your next move be in the war in Ukraine? What would you do?

Orbán: Peace - immediately. Call back Trump. That's the only way out.

Carlson: Call back Trump?

Orbán: Call back Trump. because, you know... you can criticise him for many reasons, I understand all the discussions... but the best foreign policies, for several recent decades, belonged to him. He did not initiate any new war. He treated, nicely, the North Koreans and Russia, even the Chinese. He delivered the policy which was the best one, [inaudible], you know the Abraham Accords, so that was a very good foreign policy. he's criticised that he's not educated enough to understand the world, but this is not the case. Facts count, and his foreign policy was the best one for the world. In the last several decades I hace seen. And if he would have been the President, at the moment of the Russian invasion, at the start, it would not have been possible to do that by the Russians. So Trump is the man who can save the Western world, probably the human beings in the world as well. That's my personal conviction.

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Carlson: So back to the peace. If you were in charge, or if Trump were to win in 2024, how would you approach that, what would it look like, the settlement?

Orbán: First you should admit, probably, publicly acknowledging, that the keys in your hand. If the United States would like to have peace, the next morning there is peace, because it obvious that the poor Ukrainians are not competitive in this war. If there is no money, and no equipment from the West, especially the United States, the war is over.

Carlson: Yes.

Orbán: The solution is in your hands, in the hands of your President. The President or the future one. You will solve it. The United States can do it. Nobody else can. It's not the solution for the Ukrainians. Of course it's about the Ukrainians, they must be involved... but the real factor is not Ukraine but the intention of the United States.

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Carlson: Do you think that's why you are so unpopular among leadership in the United States and the West?

Orbán: I'm not the favourite politician of the liberals, unfortuantely, but nobody's perfect, you know.

[they share the laugh]

Carlson: Why do you think that is?

[Orbán sighs deeply]

Carlson continues: The country is thriving, that's usually the measure we use.

Orbán: It's more about our civilisation, I mean the Western Christian civilisation. Now, the main division line is not according to ideologies. It's deeper. It has an anthropological character. So, on one side, in Europe and probably in your country, but in Europe definitely, there are groups of people who think that the most important thing in the world is their ego - themselves, me, this is the centre of the world. The other camp of the people, the other part of society, thinks that's not true because there are certain things which are more important than me and my ego - family, nation, God. And because they are more important than me, I have to serve these higher level things. This society has a majority here in Hungary. And the other society, which is concentrating only on me, only dealing with myself, it's more Westernised, dominating factor of political life. And the governments of the West, more belonging to the first group of people. I belong to the second one, and Hungary belongs to the second one. Our Constitution is concentrating on the We, how we are linked together - family, nation, God, what is common. We the Hungarian nation, that's how we speak on that. It's totally out of fashion in the Western European society.

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Carlson: Of course.

Orbán: And hopefully Trump will come back, so the Republicans will come back, and the relationship will again be very good. But now it's absurd. Can you imagine, the United States deleted the agreement between Hungary and the United States on double taxation, but they still have the agreement between Russia and the United States.

Carlson: That means that American citizens, for those who don't know what this is, American citizens who live and work in Hungary, pay Hungarian taxes to your government, but also full federal taxes to the United States.

Orbán: But the attitude, as such, we are a member of NATO, we are ally to the United States, and we are worse treated than the Russians. What's that about?

Carlson: What is it about? It's what you just said. It might be helpful to say it out loud. The Biden administration spent U.S. tax dollars to campaign against you in in your last election. They didn't succeed, you won, in a fair election.

Orbán: Big money.

Carlson: Big money... I don't think most Americans understand where their tax dollars went, to [try] defeat you in Hungary.

Orbán: Exactly.

Carlson: But if you respect democracy, don't you let countries govern themselves?

Orbán: It's definitely against all the principles, we confess.

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Carlson: Let me ask you one last question about Trump since you brought him up a couple of times. You were just in an election that I know your staff were worried you might lose. There was an open question. You won, pretty sizeably. But it was a real election. Did you consider, at any point, just indicting your challenger on fake documents and charges, and trying to throw him in jail. Wouldn't that have been easier?

Orbán: You mean against me?

Carlson: Yeah.

Orbán: Okay, we have some bad chapters of our history, but that kind of civilian war, cold civilian war, was not part of our culture. So we can beat each other, argue against each other, but to do what's going on now in, in some countries and even your country, to use the justice system against political opponents, in Hungary, I think it's impossible to imagine. You know, that was done by the Communists. It's a very Communist methology to do that. So, in Hungary, we are all aware that we disagree on things - ideology, values, vision of the future, even practices of politics - but we belong to the same nation. We have rivalry but what is the final sense of this argument and competition? To unite the nation, yeah? To provide a better future. I can't say that I will kill you or send you to the prison. If you follow that track, no chance to unify the nation. If the nation's not unified, you can't run for big purposes. So competition is okay but it must be fair, legally perfect, otherwise you can sacrifice your country, and the future of your country, for your personal success, which is not acceptable, at least it's not in Hungary.