shiva2999 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 6 hours ago, TonyasTaters said: So God is ok with violence? So people suffer for God's big experiment? Whaaaaaaaat???? Where did I say "God is OK with violence"? God is okay with free will. But he will judge you on how you exercise that free will. 1 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 7 hours ago, TonyasTaters said: Do we have free will? Is it possible we live in a computer simulation? Yes, we have free will. And yes, because possibilities are infinite we have choices. It's the choices we make that God judges us on. 1 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 3 hours ago, shiva2999 said: Where did I say "God is OK with violence"? God is okay with free will. But he will judge you on how you exercise that free will. You stated God wants to see what we do with free will. As if it is a test or experiment. If it is thought of this way then it is a pass or fail type of situation. Violence would be an example of a failure of free will. Committing an unwanted physical act against someone else is part of free will, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 10 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: You stated God wants to see what we do with free will. As if it is a test or experiment. If it is thought of this way then it is a pass or fail type of situation. Violence would be an example of a failure of free will. Committing an unwanted physical act against someone else is part of free will, is it not? 1. Use or abuse. How you behave is up to you. 2. Free will isn't a pass/fail paradigm. It's an opportunity. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 8/28/2023 at 7:58 PM, shiva2999 said: How would God know what decisions you will make in life? You are not a zombie. We all have free will. The Bible teaches that God is all-knowing or omniscient1. 1 John 3:19-20 states that "God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything"2. God knows every person who has chosen to trust Him, where we stand in our relationship with Him, and ministers to those He knows through the Holy Spirit3. John 10:28 tells us that He protects those whom He knows are trusting in Him3. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 8/28/2023 at 8:52 PM, LIBills said: Sometimes I think any action a human takes is a sin in God's eyes with some people. My friend says if you aren't reborn, you aren't going to heaven. Huh?? There are lots of questions, even if you have faith or not. There will ALWAYS be questions. Makes me feel really terrible for all those aboriginal people, globally throughout time who never got this message, all burning in an eternal Hell.... Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 You know, I've drifted in and out of my faith in God and the Christian version of him and I truly - after what happened to me in 2011 - WANT to believe but there is that one nag that I can't ever shake. That one question I cannot answer: "Do you really believe that what you believe is really real?" (Sorry if it takes your decaying grey matter more time to decipher that, Shiva) How can a God who so deeply loves all of us, set such demanding parameters to live within without any real profound evidence he actually exists or makes it so that evidence is almost imperceptible and only available to people who are fortunate enough to live where "the word" is spread? And anyone who falls outside of those parameters, knowing they are imperfect and fallible or spends their entire lives in remote enough areas that never receive the word be condemned to eternity in a state of torment and punishment after living a life influenced by the struggles and hurdles and influences of a very imperfect and chaotic world?? I know a little bit about love, especially that patriarchal love that God is purported to have for us and that ain't love. 1 Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, HipKat said: The Bible teaches that God is all-knowing or omniscient1. 1 John 3:19-20 states that "God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything"2. God knows every person who has chosen to trust Him, where we stand in our relationship with Him, and ministers to those He knows through the Holy Spirit3. John 10:28 tells us that He protects those whom He knows are trusting in Him3. So? God didn't write the Bible and it's humans that insist he's "all-knowing". God gives us the opportunity to be righteous, which doesn't require belief in his existence. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, shiva2999 said: So? God didn't write the Bible and it's humans that insist he's "all-knowing". God gives us the opportunity to be righteous, which doesn't require belief in his existence. You asked a question, I gave an answer Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 22 minutes ago, HipKat said: You asked a question, I gave an answer No, you didn't give an answer, you just quoted something and provided no explanation. Try to remember that God isn't necessarily who the God pimps say he is and he can't foresee how people will act or react. After all, what's the point of creating everything if you know exactly what's going to happen from here to eternity? Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 3 hours ago, shiva2999 said: No, you didn't give an answer, you just quoted something and provided no explanation. Try to remember that God isn't necessarily who the God pimps say he is and he can't foresee how people will act or react. After all, what's the point of creating everything if you know exactly what's going to happen from here to eternity? You can't ask the questions you're asking and also ban religious people from citing religious doctrine in response. That's like demanding they solve for the hypotenuse without using Pythagorean Theorem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said: You can't ask the questions you're asking and also ban religious people from citing religious doctrine in response. That's like demanding they solve for the hypotenuse without using Pythagorean Theorem. I didn't "ban" anything. And ALL religious doctrine is man made. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Oh, and comparing religious dogma to a proven scientific fact is disingenuous. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 8/29/2023 at 1:26 AM, shiva2999 said: Where did I say "God is OK with violence"? God is okay with free will. But he will judge you on how you exercise that free will. Which is the dumbest humanistic mental hopscotch possible lol. God commits genocide, infanticide. Tells parents to kill their kids. .....but he loves you....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 40 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said: Which is the dumbest humanistic mental hopscotch possible lol. God commits genocide, infanticide. Tells parents to kill their kids. .....but he loves you....... Again, you only have the word of the religiously dogmatic that God commits genocide and fratricide and orders people to kill their children. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 6 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Again, you only have the word of the religiously dogmatic that God commits genocide and fratricide and orders people to kill their children. Not sure what you're saying. Are you being pro or con? About what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said: Not sure what you're saying. Are you being pro or con? About what? I'm saying if there is a God, it is not necessarily the same God with the same agenda promoted by human religious "authorities"... Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 24 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: I'm saying if there is a God, it is not necessarily the same God with the same agenda promoted by human religious "authorities"... Which is what I'm saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 12 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said: Which is what I'm saying. Then we agree. BTW, I've been an atheist for 63 years. I don't need a bearded guy in the clouds to scare me into socially approved thought or behavior. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, shiva2999 said: Then we agree. BTW, I've been an atheist for 63 years. I don't need a bearded guy in the clouds to scare me into socially approved thought or behavior. Who said "socially approved" was a good thing/ necessary? Socially approved.... Hollywood director Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said: Who said "socially approved" was a good thing/ necessary? Socially approved.... Hollywood director Not exactly sure what you're saying here. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 3 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Not exactly sure what you're saying here. Ohhhh, come onnnn lol. Hollywood isn't known for morals. Just a little joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 7 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said: Ohhhh, come onnnn lol. Hollywood isn't known for morals. Just a little joke Hollywood is how I wound up having 4 kids from 3 wives. I doubt that would have happened if I was a high school teacher. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknaboz Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 7 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Hollywood is how I wound up having 4 kids from 3 wives. I doubt that would have happened if I was a high school teacher. What bullshit! A cheater is a cheater no matter their profession. 1 Quote [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 11 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Hollywood is how I wound up having 4 kids from 3 wives. I doubt that would have happened if I was a high school teacher. Didn't get the hint after the second marriage? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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