HipKat Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Patriotism, religious faith, having children and other priorities that helped define the national character for generations are receding in importance to Americans, a new Wall Street Journal-NORC poll finds. The survey, conducted with NORC at the University of Chicago, a nonpartisan research organization, also finds the country sharply divided by political party over social trends such as the push for racial diversity in businesses and the use of gender-neutral pronouns. Some 38% of respondents said patriotism was very important to them, and 39% said religion was very important. That was down sharply from when the Journal first asked the question in 1998, when 70% deemed patriotism to be very important, and 62% said so of religion. The share of Americans who say that having children, involvement in their community and hard work are very important values has also fallen. Tolerance for others, deemed very important by 80% of Americans as recently as four years ago, has fallen to 58% since then. Bill McInturff, a pollster who worked on a previous Journal survey that measured these attitudes along with NBC News, said that “these differences are so dramatic, it paints a new and surprising portrait of a changing America.’’ {snip} A number of events have shaken and in some ways fractured the nation since the Journal first asked about unifying values, among them the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent economic downturn and the rise of former President Donald Trump. The only priority the Journal tested that has grown in importance in the past quarter-century is money, which was cited as very important by 43% in the new survey, up from 31% in 1998. Aside from money, all age groups, including seniors, attached far less importance to these priorities and values than when pollsters asked about them in 1998 and 2019. But younger Americans in particular place low importance on these values, many of which were central to the lives of their parents. Some 23% of adults under age 30 said in the new survey that patriotism was very important to them personally, compared with 59% of seniors ages 65 or older. Some 31% of younger respondents said that religion was very important to them, compared with 55% among seniors. Only 23% of adults under age 30 said that having children was very important. To Janet Boyer, a former Pentecostal minister who lives in Cumberland Township in Southwestern Pennsylvania’s coal country, patriotism has taken on a political sheen and is no longer important to her. “For me, patriotism has turned into right-wing nationalism,’’ said Ms. Boyer, who backed President Biden in 2020. The survey found sharp differences by political party on social issues that have gained prominence. It asked whether society had gone far enough—or had gone too far—when it comes to businesses taking steps to promote racial and ethnic diversity. Just over half of Republicans said society had gone too far, compared with 7% of Democrats. Some 61% of Democrats said diversity efforts hadn’t gone far enough, compared with 14% of Republicans. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 That is so true. So please stop voting libs , left and the dems who themselves are moving far left. They are destroying America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyasTaters Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 23 minutes ago, RichJ said: That is so true. So please stop voting libs , left and the dems who themselves are moving far left. They are destroying America. Out of the Dems and Republicans which supporters have been found guilty of Seditious Conspiracy? That's all you need to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 33 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said: Out of the Dems and Republicans which supporters have been found guilty of Seditious Conspiracy? That's all you need to know. Whoever voted for the idiot that sold us to the Chinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 who wants to first define what it means to be a patriot and what it means to be religious? Why are they important than universal healthcare, higher education, higher wages, and social safety nets? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly'sFinest Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 The obvious decline in this country is tied to going away from traditional American values...that is really not up for debate. That's why MAGA needs to be a thing. We need to go back to being a Republic with strong morals and values in order to get America back to being a great country. Mentally ill people with low character, zero morals, and zero respect for our country have sent us into a death spiral. Our government and our media has played a large role helping to accelerate and fuel this, also. I do believe we will take back this country at some point. Hopefully, it doesn't have to sink much further before that happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Philly'sFinest said: The obvious decline in this country is tied to going away from traditional American values...that is really not up for debate. which values? 1 minute ago, Philly'sFinest said: That's why MAGA needs to be a thing. We need to go back to being a Republic with strong morals and values in order to get America back to being a great country. who's morals? 1 minute ago, Philly'sFinest said: Mentally ill people with low character, zero morals, and zero respect for our country have sent us into a death spiral. Our government and our media has played a large role helping to accelerate and fuel this, also. Does this include fox news? 1 minute ago, Philly'sFinest said: I do believe we will take back this country at some point. Hopefully, it doesn't have to sink much further before that happens. Who is we, and how are you going to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 21 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said: The obvious decline in this country is tied to going away from traditional American values...that is really not up for debate. That's why MAGA needs to be a thing. We need to go back to being a Republic with strong morals and values in order to get America back to being a great country. Mentally ill people with low character, zero morals, and zero respect for our country have sent us into a death spiral. Our government and our media has played a large role helping to accelerate and fuel this, also. I do believe we will take back this country at some point. Hopefully, it doesn't have to sink much further before that happens. Wow that's a lot more than 14 words but the message remains identical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly'sFinest Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 27 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: which values? who's morals? Does this include fox news? Who is we, and how are you going to do it? Traditional American values. Marriage between man and woman, The nuclear family, religion, education and working to better yourself and your family, Respecting your elders, respecting people's property, taking care of your responsibilities and honoring your commitments. The list can go on, but your not interested in this anyway...you are just looking to troll like we all know you do. Things you and the leftist homos know nothing about, basically 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Philly'sFinest said: Traditional American values. What time period of Traditional American values are we talking about? Just now, Philly'sFinest said: Marriage between man and woman, Are you saying that gay marriage should be illegal? Just now, Philly'sFinest said: The nuclear family, What policies are the GOP putting forward to help the working family economically? Just now, Philly'sFinest said: religion, Which religion? Just now, Philly'sFinest said: education and working to better yourself and your family, Does this entail more funding to education? Does this include higher wages? Just now, Philly'sFinest said: Respecting your elders, What do you mean? Respecting them just because they are old? Does this include raising social security? Just now, Philly'sFinest said: respecting people's property, who's property is not being respected? Just now, Philly'sFinest said: taking care of your responsibilities and honoring your commitments. How are you going to enforce this? Just now, Philly'sFinest said: The list can go on, but your not interested in this anyway...you are just looking to troll like we all know you do. I'm not trolling, I actually want to understand your positions, which is why I ask follow up questions for clarification. We will never be on the same page if i dont understand you. Just now, Philly'sFinest said: Things you and the leftist homos know nothing about, basically educate me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly'sFinest Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 19 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: What time period of Traditional American values are we talking about? Are you saying that gay marriage should be illegal? What policies are the GOP putting forward to help the working family economically? Which religion? Does this entail more funding to education? Does this include higher wages? What do you mean? Respecting them just because they are old? Does this include raising social security? who's property is not being respected? How are you going to enforce this? I'm not trolling, I actually want to understand your positions, which is why I ask follow up questions for clarification. We will never be on the same page if i dont understand you. educate me. We've played this game before. It only leads to more questions, and then it devolves from there. Find someone else to take your bait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Philly'sFinest said: We've played this game before. It only leads to more questions, and then it devolves from there. Find someone else to take your bait Do you want me to understand or not? If you refuse to answer then I refuse to take your calls for traditional American values seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 14 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said: We've played this game before. It only leads to more questions, and then it devolves from there. Find someone else to take your bait cant educate the brain dead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly'sFinest Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 18 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Do you want me to understand or not? If you refuse to answer then I refuse to take your calls for traditional American values seriously. Oh You thought I cared about whether you take my calls for traditional American values seriously? That's so cute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 10 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said: Oh You thought I cared about whether you take my calls for traditional American values seriously? That's so cute... Is this an admission that you only want to converse with people in your ideological echo chamber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly'sFinest Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 51 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Is this an admission that you only want to converse with people in your ideological echo chamber? Nope It's an admission that I dismissed you as a legitimate poster long ago when you proved to be a shitbag. I may give you another shot if I see you making an honest effort with others here, but as of now...I'm not interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Philly'sFinest said: Nope It's an admission that I dismissed you as a legitimate poster long ago when you proved to be a shitbag. I may give you another shot if I see you making an honest effort with others here, but as of now...I'm not interested. Lol My response was full of legitimate questions. If your whole worldview can be shattered with some basic questions and follow questions, that's on you beta boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Can someone define patriotism and religious for me? It's helpful to define terms. Especially if we want to have legitimate good faith discourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly'sFinest Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 22 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Can someone define patriotism and religious for me? It's helpful to define terms. Especially if we want to have legitimate good faith discourse. That's the thing...you don't want that. You want to play games and name call like you did in the previous post. My point is proven once again by your own shitty conduct...just like the others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 What's the original posters point? He's as hypocritical as it gets. Typical narcissist. Pisses everyone off with his stupidity. Then expects praise for kissing up to a obvious thing. Most everything he posts is propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 8 hours ago, HipKat said: To Janet Boyer, a former Pentecostal minister who lives in Cumberland Township in Southwestern Pennsylvania’s coal country, patriotism has taken on a political sheen and is no longer important to her. “For me, patriotism has turned into right-wing nationalism,’’ said Ms. Boyer, who backed President Biden in 2020 This is why the idiot posted the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 21 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said: That's the thing...you don't want that. You want to play games and name call like you did in the previous post. My point is proven once again by your own shitty conduct...just like the others I called you names after you acted like a beta boi by deciding not to have a good faith discussion. You can't handle having your beliefs challenged. Its as simple as that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 A number of events have shaken and in some ways fractured the nation since the Journal first asked about unifying values, among them the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent economic downturn and the rise of former President Donald Trump. ######################### The article is just a anti right side speech. Has nothing to do with patriotism anything. Aside from the fact that patriotism is another pointless construct. My life and being is not defined by the land mass I'm standing on. I don't worship govt authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly'sFinest Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said: I called you names after you acted like a beta boi by deciding not to have a good faith discussion. You can't handle having your beliefs challenged. Its as simple as that. We tried that, my guy You don't operate in good faith at all. You don't even believe in faith. Quite the interesting word selection used by you. Complete phoney I have my beliefs challenged here all the time. The difference is that someone like Hipkat has gone about it in a manner that I now respect. You, on the other hand do not. That's it. Sorry you couldn't make the grade when it comes to fundamental things like legitimate discussion and debate 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 27 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said: We tried that, my guy You don't operate in good faith at all. You don't even believe in faith. Quite the interesting word selection used by you. Complete phoney I have my beliefs challenged here all the time. The difference is that someone like Hipkat has gone about it in a manner that I now respect. You, on the other hand do not. That's it. Sorry you couldn't make the grade when it comes to fundamental things like legitimate discussion and debate just like his master ICR. Cant have a disscusion with people who lie and make false accusations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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