Do you believe Bin Laden was killed in the Navy Seal raid and dumped in the ocean? If so, why?

[shiva2999]

26 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Nothing in this article calls into question the legitimacy of the photo.

Other than the fact it was staged and then deliberately misrepresented to the public as an authentic reaction to images from the attack and then used for propaganda ...

God, you're pathetic....

[jamsim67]

3 hours ago, HipKat said:

Asking questions is one thing and yeah, people should ask questions and you’re not as bad as some of the other people on here, but to them, they think they already have the answers, and the answers are always nefarious. You’re going to tell me that makes sense?

I honestly don't think anybody on here believes they have all the answers, they just know that most of the time the official narrative is usually full of holes. And they're right. And when I say this, I'm not talking about TT's or ICR. I'd insult them, but they do enough damage to themselves where I don't really need to bother. Plus, I don't want to be that guy anymore.

[TonyasTaters]

17 minutes ago, jamsim67 said:

I honestly don't think anybody on here believes they have all the answers, they just know that most of the time the official narrative is usually full of holes. And they're right. And when I say this, I'm not talking about TT's or ICR. I'd insult them, but they do enough damage to themselves where I don't really need to bother. Plus, I don't want to be that guy anymore.

Lmao.... It's a cOnSpIRaCy.... Same group of people who believes Tucker Carlson who Fox news says no reasonable person would believe him... Same people who bought the Trump grift ... Same people who deny J6.... Proud to not be that extremist wack job...

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

Other than the fact it was staged

Nothing in the article claims this.  Do you think the whole raid was JUST the 25 minutes with no video?  That photo could have been taken as the team were making their way to the compound, couldn't it?  

[thinwhiteduke]

So,you really think it was a soy ballot from China too?

[jamsim67]

12 minutes ago, TonyasTaters said:

Lmao.... It's a cOnSpIRaCy.... Same group of people who believes Tucker Carlson who Fox news says no reasonable person would believe him... Same people who bought the Trump grift ... Same people who deny J6.... Proud to not be that extremist wack job...

I seriously doubt your laughing your ass off. And of course it is.

[shiva2999]

17 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Nothing in the article claims this.  Do you think the whole raid was JUST the 25 minutes with no video?  That photo could have been taken as the team were making their way to the compound, couldn't it?  

What does making their way to the compound prove?

No one is arguing there was no raid. There was.

 But not for the first 25 minutes of whatever battle ensued, if even that happened.

So, no footage of the attack or the supposed death of "bin Laden."

However, the photo was pimped as the group watching events in real time.

It was a lie.

So no video evidence of "bin Laden" or his death.

But lots of evidence of the supposed leaders of the free world PRETENDING to watch events unfold in real time.

[ICRockets2]

9 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

What does making their way to the compound prove?

No one is arguing there was no raid. There was.

 But not for the first 25 minutes of whatever battle ensued, if even that happened.

So, no footage of the attack or the supposed death of "bin Laden."

However, the photo was pimped as the group watching events in real time.

It was a lie.

So no video evidence of "bin Laden" or his death.

But lots of evidence of the supposed leaders of the free world PRETENDING to watch events unfold in real time.

You're flailing.  The fact remains that you have not in any way proved the photo was staged.

[HipKat]

4 hours ago, Philly'sFinest said:

We are much more free than you, because we are awake to all the lies and manipulation that has been perpetrated upon the people.

You are a mental slave to a system that mocks you and your inability to think for yourself. They love that you comply without questioning a thing. 

You live a lie because it makes you feel better. 

I feel better knowing the ugly truths of the world

We are not the same

Damn dude, you are FAR gone. WAY far gone. You are not free. Free is the person who doesn't give a fuck. Lives his life without a fucking clue or a care about any of this stupid shit.

You are trapped by this stuff. You can't let go of it or break away from it because in your head, you're "letting them win" without even knowing for a fact if there IS a them

[HipKat]

6 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

Dear Lord, why are you so goddamn so gullible? Out of 8 Billion people on the planet you don't think it's well within the realm of possibility to find more than a few guys who bear a striking resemblance to keep the terrorism Golden Goose going? Why did we suddenly stop getting videos and only audio recordings?

Swiss scientists 95% sure that Bin Laden recording was fake (2002)

 

Scientists in Switzerland say they are almost certain that a recent audio tape attributed to Osama bin Laden is a fake.

The tape, delivered to the Arab satellite television channel al-Jazeera earlier this month, appeared to provide the first concrete evidence that Bin Laden is still alive because it mentioned recent attacks on western targets.

American experts initially concluded that the voice on the tape was probably Bin Laden, though it is unlikely ever to be fully authenticated because of the recording's poor quality.

The Swiss findings conflict with other research published by the French news magazine L'Express last week.

In that study, Bernard Gautheron, director of the phonetic testing laboratory at the Institute of Linguistics and Phonetics in Paris, concluded there was a "very strong probability" that the al-Jazeera tape was genuine.

But researchers at the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, in Lausanne, believe the message was recorded by an impostor.

In a study commissioned by France 2 television, researchers built a computer model of Bin Laden's voice, based on an hour of genuine recordings.

Using voice recognition systems being developed for banking security, they tested the model against 20 known recordings of Bin Laden. The system correctly identified his voice in 19 of them.

This meant there was only a 5% risk of error in their conclusion that the latest tape is a fake, Professor Hervé Bourlard, the institute's director, told the Guardian yesterday. "It's an automatic system but it's very sensitive," he said. "It picks up things the human ear doesn't pick up."

He agreed that the sound quality of the recent tape was poor but added: "Many of our 20 [test] recordings were also of poor quality. Some were very good, some very bad, but our results were all positive except in one case."

Prof Bourlard, a voice recognition expert, is the author or joint author of 150 research papers and two books, and has worked extensively with the International Computer Science Institute at Berkeley, California.

CIA's secret Iraq weapon revealed: a Saddam gay sex tape
Bizarre US plots included exploding cigars to kill Fidel Castro and fake video of Osama bin Laden's campfire drinking

 

But that did not stop a CIA video being shot of a fake Osama bin Laden sitting around a camp fire, drinking booze and boasting of his own gay conquests.

The video apparently used some of the CIA's "darker skinned" employees as extras playing the terror chief's henchmen. It does not seem to have been released.

The Post said an anonymous US official had declined to confirm or deny the accounts. "If these ideas were ever floated by anyone at any time, they clearly didn't go anywhere," the official said.

Such tactics are hardly the first time the US agencies have stretched their imaginations. A book entitled 638 Ways to Kill Castro detailed the many ways the Cuban leader had been targeted over the decades.

One of the lesser known was a plan to dispatch Castro by exploiting his fascination for scuba-diving. A batch of colourful molluscs would be rigged with explosives in the hope that he would be attracted to them while swimming underwater.

 

The correct question is asking why you trust the government and intelligence agencies so much.

I have but it's only to help me get over the fact that most of the world's population are so fucking stupid.

 

I think you took The X-Files WAY too seriously

[HipKat]

1 hour ago, jamsim67 said:

Plus, I don't want to be that guy anymore.

I feel ya there

[shiva2999]

1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said:

You're flailing.  The fact remains that you have not in any way proved the photo was staged.

Now you're reduced to quibbling about the definition of staged.

You know as well as I do that the initial reports pimped the claim the raid was on camera and the group in the photo were watching it in real time.

They weren't.

They were looking at a blank screen.

[LiterateStylish]

On 3/25/2023 at 7:17 PM, shiva2999 said:

I have no evidence of what?

I didn't make the assertion, you guys did.

The burden of proof is on you.

You’re opposing the official story. The burden of proof is on you.

[LiterateStylish]

On 3/25/2023 at 8:13 PM, shiva2999 said:

It'd be easy, cuz the Pakistanis were in on it.

You cast your Bin Laden and his bitches, tell them they're part of an operation to impersonate Bin Laden, dress the set, let them play their parts for however long, then when politically desirable do the raid, shoot the unfortunate imposter in the face twice and make a claim and dump the body in the ocean.

Bin Laden, as a long and faithful CIA asset gets to live out the rest of his life in luxury back home and America gets to brag they got the bad guy.

Easy.

Because Americans WANT TO BELIEVE!

This theory - like all of your theories - has at least one massively fatal flaw.

Too many people would have to know for it not to get out. And Bin Laden has one of the most recognizable faces on earth. As if a whistleblower wouldn’t say something at “home”.

[LiterateStylish]

On 3/25/2023 at 8:13 PM, shiva2999 said:

It'd be easy, cuz the Pakistanis were in on it.

You cast your Bin Laden and his bitches, tell them they're part of an operation to impersonate Bin Laden, dress the set, let them play their parts for however long, then when politically desirable do the raid, shoot the unfortunate imposter in the face twice and make a claim and dump the body in the ocean.

Bin Laden, as a long and faithful CIA asset gets to live out the rest of his life in luxury back home and America gets to brag they got the bad guy.

Easy.

Because Americans WANT TO BELIEVE!

This theory - like all of your theories - has at least one massively fatal flaw.

Too many people would have to know for it not to get out. And Bin Laden has one of the most recognizable faces on earth. We've seen his videos millions of times. As if no-one  would recognize him at “home”.

[LiterateStylish]

On 3/25/2023 at 8:13 PM, shiva2999 said:

It'd be easy, cuz the Pakistanis were in on it.

You cast your Bin Laden and his bitches, tell them they're part of an operation to impersonate Bin Laden, dress the set, let them play their parts for however long, then when politically desirable do the raid, shoot the unfortunate imposter in the face twice and make a claim and dump the body in the ocean.

Bin Laden, as a long and faithful CIA asset gets to live out the rest of his life in luxury back home and America gets to brag they got the bad guy.

Easy.

Because Americans WANT TO BELIEVE!

This theory - like all of your theories - has at least one massively fatal flaw.

Too many people would have to know for it not to get out. And Bin Laden has one of the most recognizable faces on earth. We've seen his videos millions of times. As if no-one  would recognize him at “home”.

[LiterateStylish]

On 3/25/2023 at 8:05 PM, Philly'sFinest said:

The sheep here believe the official story from the fake news media every single time...without a second thought.

That tells me exactly what I need to know about them because guess what, sheep? They lie to you. Not just a little, but alot.

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic for our country and the future that we have people that can't use their own thinking skills and logic.

We can only hope that enough of us wake up to make a difference and change the direction we are headed 

 

This theory - like all of your theories - has at least one massively fatal flaw.

Too many people would have to know for it not to get out. And Bin Laden has one of the most recognizable faces on earth. We've seen his videos millions of times. As if no-one  would recognize him at “home”.

 

[shiva2999]

34 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

You’re opposing the official story. The burden of proof is on you.

Only in an authoritarian regime.

They made the claim and thus the burden of proof is on them.

The fact is it would have been simple to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it was OBL that they killed in that raid.

But they declined to and gave some bs excuse about offending delicate Muslim sensibilities.

But hey, I bet you thought Saddam had WMDs, didn't you...

[thinwhiteduke]

43 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

 

This theory - like all of your theories - has at least one massively fatal flaw.

Too many people would have to know for it not to get out. And Bin Laden has one of the most recognizable faces on earth. We've seen his videos millions of times. As if no-one  would recognize him at “home”.

 

Same stupid argument. No one needs to know shit. 

The entire thing can be a digital fake. 

ie no one did anything. 

Only a select few need know anything.

And you obviously don't get that position unless you obey.

[shiva2999]

4 hours ago, jc856 said:

Kind of a gray area to me.

they were looking at video of something, even though during the raid, the cameras were turned off. Seems suspicious that it wasn’t filmed, I grant you. 

But I mean, the photog wasn’t directing their pose, was he?

 

 

Uh, I directed countless groups of extras through the years to react to scenes that had been filmed previously.

Getting that group to all look at a blank screen and look super concerned for the photos is something that's done all the time in the TV and movie business.

[shiva2999]

BTW, I find it hilarious that some hold the opinion that one MUST BELIEVE the unsupported assertions of authority unless we can PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT they are not true.

[Philly'sFinest]

56 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

 

This theory - like all of your theories - has at least one massively fatal flaw.

Too many people would have to know for it not to get out. And Bin Laden has one of the most recognizable faces on earth. We've seen his videos millions of times. As if no-one  would recognize him at “home”.

 

This is what they bank on...people like you who do their work for them

Conspiracies happen more than many think. They have simply tried to demonize and mock those that keep an open mind and don't blindly accept the narrative pushed by the puppet masters.

Such a sad thing having numbskull after numbskull follow their playbook to perfection.

[thinwhiteduke]

21 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

BTW, I find it hilarious that some hold the opinion that one MUST BELIEVE the unsupported assertions of authority unless we can PROVE BEYOND ALL DOUBT they are not true.

Weapons of mass....spy balloons....

 

 

 

[shiva2999]

These guys get it.

My vote for the greatest movie of the 21st century so far...

 

[RichJ]

On 3/25/2023 at 7:06 PM, ICRockets2 said:

You have no evidence, and people who make a habit of believing things without evidence ought not be taken seriously.

Yet we should believe people like you who still believe in the delusions over people who believe in facts?