Crazy Legs Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 How many of the rookies do you think will win a starting job? Or even see the field a significant amount of time? Rookies starting. McDermott is notorious for slow rolling rookies. Even high picks. Plus, is a rookie going to beat out Dion Dawkins? Mitch Morse? Tre White? Jordan Poyer? Matt Milano? Tauron Johnson? I think most of the draft picks this year will be future guys and be backups this year. Kaiir Elam/Christian Benford only got on the field last because we had no one at CB2. James Cook eventually got on the field, mostly after we traded Zach Moss, so RB2 slot became open. Khalil Shakir eventually got a bit more playing time in November, December and playoffs. But there was no one else for WR4/5. So where do you see our rookie draft picks cracking the starting roster? I think there might be 3 spots: MLB, WR2 and RT. But there is no guarantee your 1st and 2nd round picks will yield a starter, or one of those positions. I really think this draft will be for players down the road. Hopefully find a safety that can be a good starter in 2 years. Hopefully find an IOL or Center that can be a solid starter in a year or 2. Hate to say it, but we also do need DT and DL. Ed Oliver will be gone after this year, Von Miller will be older, and the rest of our line is Just A bunch of Guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldat28 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Depends on the position they draft and when they draft them, for example if they take a LB in the first, it's almost a guarantee that person is a day 1 starter, however if they take a LB in say round 3, I think it's more of a competition...they take any OL at 27, I say it's competition.....I say by seasons end they will have 2 starters and 2 guys that get solid playing time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAHall93 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 They may not start right away, but definitely need them for depth & we only have 6 picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sucked In Again Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Zero week One, Zero week Seventeen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, JAHall93 said: They may not start right away, but definitely need them for depth & we only have 6 picks Agreed. We need to keep our expectations in check for this year's draft. Out of 6 picks, at least one will be off the roster by September. Maybe we try to stash him on the practice squad and someone scoops him, a la Wildgoose or Jack Anderson or Luke Tenuta. Several other picks will be like Terrel Bernard and Braylon Spector were. Hardly ever in the game as rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Baldat28 said: Depends on the position they draft and when they draft them, for example if they take a LB in the first, it's almost a guarantee that person is a day 1 starter, however if they take a LB in say round 3, I think it's more of a competition...they take any OL at 27, I say it's competition.....I say by seasons end they will have 2 starters and 2 guys that get solid playing time Linebacker is tough this year. All the "experts" say there are really only 2 LBers the Bills could draft, and possibly start at MLB as rookies. Jack Campbell and Drew Sanders. If they get drafted by other teams, the Bills probably will not find a starting MLB in the draft this year. Watch the Pre-Draft process to see if the Bills are looking at OT. Last year the Bills brought in 3 CBs for Pre-Draft visits, Andrew Booth, Kaiir Elam and Martin Emerson. So they were looking and snagged Elam. The Bills also brought in 3 RBs for Pre-Draft visits: Breece Hall, Isaiah Spiller and James Cook. And they took Cook. After the draft we found out from Beane the Bills did a Private Workout & Pre-Draft visit with Terrel Bernard. Let's see how many RTs they work out or bring in PreDraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I think they may package Oliver Salad and trade down into the 2nd so we may get 7 or 8. OL? They probably start by opening day. The rest? They sit for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS12 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 None because Beane sucks at drafting. Look at his past drafts, they’re awful. So many wasted picks. He should honestly trade every fucking pick away for established players on other teams. He’s good at that. And of course he drafted Josh, so he got lucky there. But in general, I don’t have a lot of confidence that any of these guys he drafts this year will start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixum Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 If we had even an average GM this team would be stacked for years. You can’t miss on almost every pick for 3 years and be in good shape. Impossible. Allen is only reason he gets any credibility. 1 Quote "Buffalo is hard to play but not hard to beat" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalochief2 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 If we get a WR2 in a trade our biggest draft need is MLB. If we want to trade Oliver as well, we could go with a bigger 3 tech DT allowing us to take one of the smaller sized MLB that will be available in rounds 2-4, otherwise we can trade back or up to around picks 40-45 to select a starting MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS12 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 3 hours ago, mixum said: If we had even an average GM this team would be stacked for years. You can’t miss on almost every pick for 3 years and be in good shape. Impossible. Allen is only reason he gets any credibility. You finally said something I agree with. It’s true, you just can’t keep missing on all of these picks. If he hit on some of them, we’d probably have a ring already. His claim to fame is Josh. And thank God for Josh or we’d still suck. He’s good at making trades, and at getting free agents. But if we want to win the whole thing, some of his draft picks have to start contributing on cheap contracts. Diggs, Morse, Von Miller, Hyde, Poyer, Hines, Harris, were all great free agent pick ups. But they weren’t draft picks. And Tre White and Milano were actually drafted by McD!!!! If you guys recall, we still didn’t have a GM yet at that point. McD was still running the show by himself. Beane was then hired after that draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalochief2 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 38 minutes ago, JS12 said: You finally said something I agree with. It’s true, you just can’t keep missing on all of these picks. If he hit on some of them, we’d probably have a ring already. His claim to fame is Josh. And thank God for Josh or we’d still suck. He’s good at making trades, and at getting free agents. But if we want to win the whole thing, some of his draft picks have to start contributing on cheap contracts. Diggs, Morse, Von Miller, Hyde, Poyer, Hines, Harris, were all great free agent pick ups. But they weren’t draft picks. And Tre White and Milano were actually drafted by McD!!!! If you guys recall, we still didn’t have a GM yet at that point. McD was still running the show by himself. Beane was then hired after that draft. GMBB is the one who signed those Free agents. You can’t just dismiss that part of his job. Yes the draft picks need to contribute more, but this team was in cap hell with no talent before he got here. Don’t tell me you are going to start being as clueless as @mixum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 41 minutes ago, JS12 said: You finally said something I agree with. It’s true, you just can’t keep missing on all of these picks. If he hit on some of them, we’d probably have a ring already. His claim to fame is Josh. And thank God for Josh or we’d still suck. He’s good at making trades, and at getting free agents. But if we want to win the whole thing, some of his draft picks have to start contributing on cheap contracts. Diggs, Morse, Von Miller, Hyde, Poyer, Hines, Harris, were all great free agent pick ups. But they weren’t draft picks. And Tre White and Milano were actually drafted by McD!!!! If you guys recall, we still didn’t have a GM yet at that point. McD was still running the show by himself. Beane was then hired after that draft. More reason for Beane to trade his high picks for proven talent like Hopkins. It’s the only way he gets value. Quote Ed Oliver is my adopt-a-Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS12 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 4 hours ago, Buffalochief2 said: GMBB is the one who signed those Free agents. You can’t just dismiss that part of his job. Yes the draft picks need to contribute more, but this team was in cap hell with no talent before he got here. Don’t tell me you are going to start being as clueless as @mixum. You didn’t read my post. Re-read it again…slowly. I clearly stated that Beane signed all of these guys. And I clearly stated that he’s good getting free agents and making trades. I actually like Beane as a GM. But the simple fact is that he has sucked in the draft. So what does he need to do? Do what he’s good at. Trade the picks away for proven talent. Some of your posts are great, and then others sound like you post when you are drunk. You are arguing with me when we are in agreement here. I don’t get it. Read SLOWLY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS12 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 4 hours ago, Nuke said: More reason for Beane to trade his high picks for proven talent like Hopkins. It’s the only way he gets value. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 7 hours ago, JS12 said: You didn’t read my post. Re-read it again…slowly. I clearly stated that Beane signed all of these guys. And I clearly stated that he’s good getting free agents and making trades. I actually like Beane as a GM. But the simple fact is that he has sucked in the draft. So what does he need to do? Do what he’s good at. Trade the picks away for proven talent. Some of your posts are great, and then others sound like you post when you are drunk. You are arguing with me when we are in agreement here. I don’t get it. Read SLOWLY. I would be a little kinder and say he "hasn't been great" in his draft picks. I really think it is because he does NOT strictly follow the best player available approach. Kaiir Elam. Was he the best player available, or because in Free Agency we didn't sign any Corners, and Tre White was coming off an ACL, Beane had to go position, vs BPA. Need pick Boogie Basham. BPA? I don't think so. Wanted more Dline, so went more Dline. And so on. First two picks this year should be BPA, and I don't care if it is offense, defense, tight end, safety, or center. Just go for good football players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 7 hours ago, JS12 said: You didn’t read my post. Re-read it again…slowly. I clearly stated that Beane signed all of these guys. And I clearly stated that he’s good getting free agents and making trades. I actually like Beane as a GM. But the simple fact is that he has sucked in the draft. So what does he need to do? Do what he’s good at. Trade the picks away for proven talent. Some of your posts are great, and then others sound like you post when you are drunk. You are arguing with me when we are in agreement here. I don’t get it. Read SLOWLY. He is a good GM when it comes to FAs and trades. His college scouting staff leaves a little to be desired, especially in the early rounds. He seems to be able to find day three steals. Other than Allen, name one day one or two pick that you would say was great value for where he was picked. 1 Quote Ed Oliver is my adopt-a-Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 3 minutes ago, Nuke said: He is a good GM when it comes to FAs and trades. His college scouting staff leaves a little to be desired, especially in the early rounds. He seems to be able to find day three steals. Other than Allen, name one day one or two pick that you would say was great value for where he was picked. In the later rounds, they seem to pick BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE, while in the earlier rounds they are going NEED over BPA. Being super disciplined to draft best talent, over your needs in the early rounds is hard, but that has been proven over the last 40-50 years to yield the best results* *Acknowledging there is some luck involved....draft pick prospects are all projections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanqueray Ten Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Day One starters: O'Cyrus Torrence Trenton Simpson/ Daiyan Henley Bijan Robinson may not be out there on the first snap of the season, but he will earn the starting/ featured/ 3-down back role by week 4. Same goes for Charbonnet or any other RB they might covet. --------------------------- If they go RT at 27 then you would have to think he's a day one starter. As much I would like for them to draft Schmitz @ 27 - I don't see him as an immediate starter. Next year however... Standby... WR2 - Not while Davis is still on the roster. DT - Rotational... Safety - They will develop him this year and next... TE - Probably not a starter, but could play a significant role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalochief2 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 34 minutes ago, Tanqueray Ten said: Day One starters: O'Cyrus Torrence Trenton Simpson/ Daiyan Henley Bijan Robinson may not be out there on the first snap of the season, but he will earn the starting/ featured/ 3-down back role by week 4. Same goes for Charbonnet or any other RB they might covet. --------------------------- If they go RT at 27 then you would have to think he's a day one starter. As much I would like for them to draft Schmitz @ 27 - I don't see him as an immediate starter. Next year however... Standby... WR2 - Not while Davis is still on the roster. DT - Rotational... Safety - They will develop him this year and next... TE - Probably not a starter, but could play a significant role. Agreed and MLB in the first two rounds will be a starter. If we trade Oliver DL in the first three rounds will be a starter (yes rotational, because that’s what the Bills do). I don’t see the Bills drafting Torrence, he is fat and slow, not fitting Bills OL MO, RAS greater than 9.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 53 minutes ago, Tanqueray Ten said: Day One starters: O'Cyrus Torrence Trenton Simpson/ Daiyan Henley Bijan Robinson may not be out there on the first snap of the season, but he will earn the starting/ featured/ 3-down back role by week 4. Same goes for Charbonnet or any other RB they might covet. --------------------------- If they go RT at 27 then you would have to think he's a day one starter. As much I would like for them to draft Schmitz @ 27 - I don't see him as an immediate starter. Next year however... Standby... WR2 - Not while Davis is still on the roster. DT - Rotational... Safety - They will develop him this year and next... TE - Probably not a starter, but could play a significant role. O'Cyrus Torrence. Because Beane just put money into David Edwards and Connor McGovern (and Kromer coached Edwards) I do not think Beane will draft O'Cyrus. I think that is dead, but you never know. Bijan Robinson at pick 27. Yes, you have to select him, and yes he will be on the field as a rookie. But I think it is a moot point. He will be drafted earlier. You would think Trenton Simpson or Dalyan Henley would beat out Tyrel Dodson and Terrel Bernard, but McDermott might only ease them in. John Michael Schmitz. I think that is dead too. Beane probably is not going to draft a guy that high in the draft to backup Morse. Plus Schmitz is 24. Maybe we get lucky and he drafts a center in the 4th round or so. RT. Based on how strong Beane talked about Spencer and his potential 3rd year development, I think they are rolling with Spencer in 2023. Don't see RT at 27, but I would welcome one. I would also welcome Matthew Bergeron as a OT or OG. If Beane drafts Edge at 27, he will see the field. Von Miller might not come back until late October. I am okay if Beane uses all 6 picks on guys that are backups as rookies, and are developmental future starters. Safety, TE, DT, DE, Center, MLB.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 How much of beane's misses are informed by the college scouting department? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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