Crazy Legs Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 While David Edwards plays other positions on the Oline, he most recently started at LEFT guard for the Rams. (Although he was concussed onto IR last year) The Bills just signed Connor McGovern, who was told by the Bills he would play LEFT guard, and not right. Competition? Based on McGovern's salary, he would be an expensive backup. Connor McGovern signed a 3 year, $22,350,000 contract with the Buffalo Bills, including a $8,000,000 signing bonus, $11,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $7,450,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 David Edwards started 17 games in 2021 at Left Guard. Allowing 6 sacks (a bit high) His PFF grade was 66.9, which is decent He played a ton in 2020 as well, taking 1006 snaps and receiving a PFF grade of 70. Allowed 3 sacks. In 2022, he only started 4 games, had a concussion, tried to come back, concussion again, then put on IR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalochief2 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 24 minutes ago, Crazy Legs said: David Edwards started 17 games in 2021 at Left Guard. Allowing 6 sacks (a bit high) His PFF grade was 66.9, which is decent He played a ton in 2020 as well, taking 1006 snaps and receiving a PFF grade of 70. Allowed 3 sacks. In 2022, he only started 4 games, had a concussion, tried to come back, concussion again, then put on IR. So he worked with our OLine coach? Maybe he moves to RG and we trade/cut Bates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedLemonade Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 minutes ago, Buffalochief2 said: So he worked with our OLine coach? Maybe he moves to RG and we trade/cut Bates? Bates has been and will only ever be a NFL back up 2 Quote Do Your Part to Improve The Range -- Please put the TRIO OF TRUMP FLUFFERSTM on IGNORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldat28 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Bates competition....to me Bates should be the primary backup swing G and C....though his salary is a bit high for a backup....I'd be surprised if they take a lineman, interior anyway, in the first or even second....fine by me, the interior lineman have the value in the third and fourth anyway, guys like Patterson and Mafi and Vorhees (who could be undrafted now with his injury), could all be available later.....I hope they don't pass on a T if a good ones there though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I liked Edwards coming out of the draft a few years back. At worst he is a reliable IOL off the bench and at best an average starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 45 minutes ago, Buffalochief2 said: So he worked with our OLine coach? Maybe he moves to RG and we trade/cut Bates? If we cut Bates this year, the DEAD CAP hit is $6,525,000 So it would be better financially to have him guard the tackling dummies in practice then cut him. If David Edwards can switch to Right Guard and beat out Ryan Bates, cool. Bates is a good backup at Left Guard and Center and Right Guard. We need good backups. 17 game season means probably you backups will play at some point. David Edwards only signed a one year deal, and Ryan Bates has a trap door in his contract after this year, and Mitch Morse is close to the end, so I would still draft an IOL high in the draft. Groom him to start in 2024, as Edwards, Bates and/or Morse may not be here in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalochief2 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 8 minutes ago, Crazy Legs said: If we cut Bates this year, the DEAD CAP hit is $6,525,000 So it would be better financially to have him guard the tackling dummies in practice then cut him. If David Edwards can switch to Right Guard and beat out Ryan Bates, cool. Bates is a good backup at Left Guard and Center and Right Guard. We need good backups. 17 game season means probably you backups will play at some point. David Edwards only signed a one year deal, and Ryan Bates has a trap door in his contract after this year, and Mitch Morse is close to the end, so I would still draft an IOL high in the draft. Groom him to start in 2024, as Edwards, Bates and/or Morse may not be here in 2024. You got me thinking, and it is a hard decision. Do or should the Bills attempt to build for the future with a high draft pick, that won’t contribute much this year OR do they draft to get the best combination of players this year in order to help win a championship? Beane said he wants the team to be competitive every year. I would like that as well but I would take loosing seasons in the future for a championship next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 35 minutes ago, Buffalochief2 said: You got me thinking, and it is a hard decision. Do or should the Bills attempt to build for the future with a high draft pick, that won’t contribute much this year OR do they draft to get the best combination of players this year in order to help win a championship? Beane said he wants the team to be competitive every year. I would like that as well but I would take loosing seasons in the future for a championship next year. He would too for guaranteed championship win, but that’s never guaranteed. Better to compete every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, Buffalochief2 said: You got me thinking, and it is a hard decision. Do or should the Bills attempt to build for the future with a high draft pick, that won’t contribute much this year OR do they draft to get the best combination of players this year in order to help win a championship? Beane said he wants the team to be competitive every year. I would like that as well but I would take loosing seasons in the future for a championship next year. Back in the day of the Bills Golden Years, they drafted OLinemen, over time. To protect their QB, i.e. Jim Kelly. They didn't use all their picks on OLine every year, but the did invest high picks spread out. Will Wolford - 1st round pick Howard Ballard Glenn Parker - 3rd round pick John Fina - 1st round pick Ruben Brown - 1st round pick If you get a stud offensive linemen, he could be there for Josh for 10 years. So I do think it is worth making the investment. Besides, look at Greg Rousseau and Kaiir Elam, they didn't move the needle in their rookie years. I doubt anyone we would draft this year in the 1st round will move the needle this year either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zan186 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 LT are taken usually with top 10 picks. RT usually middle to bottom of first round or day two pick C are usually taken in the bottom of the first or day 2. Guards, unless they are blue chip guys are usually day 2 or day 3 picks. Bills need to draft BPA with some judgement towards positional need. Loosing Edmunds opened up a hole in the defense...so now a top 3 pick will be allocated to plugging that hole. I like Jack Cambell but not at 27...I think that is a reach. As I have been saying all along...if Robinson is there he should be the pick....if not O'Cyrus might be an option at guard. Else trade down to grab Cambell at LB and use the 2nd round pick on a Center to eventually replace Morris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedLemonade Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 58 minutes ago, Zan186 said: LT are taken usually with top 10 picks. RT usually middle to bottom of first round or day two pick C are usually taken in the bottom of the first or day 2. Guards, unless they are blue chip guys are usually day 2 or day 3 picks. Bills need to draft BPA with some judgement towards positional need. Loosing Edmunds opened up a hole in the defense...so now a top 3 pick will be allocated to plugging that hole. I like Jack Cambell but not at 27...I think that is a reach. As I have been saying all along...if Robinson is there he should be the pick....if not O'Cyrus might be an option at guard. Else trade down to grab Cambell at LB and use the 2nd round pick on a Center to eventually replace Morris. YOU ARE IDIOT Quote Do Your Part to Improve The Range -- Please put the TRIO OF TRUMP FLUFFERSTM on IGNORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcw Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I honestly thought Beane would finally invest draft picks on the o-line this year but it looks like he is going back to his old ways of signing middle of the road veteran free agents. If the veteran performs it is a successful approach but we haven't been that lucky lately. Hopefully we have better luck with this batch of linemen. He obviously likes his o-line already seasoned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedLemonade Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 35 minutes ago, bcw said: I honestly thought Beane would finally invest draft picks on the o-line this year but it looks like he is going back to his old ways of signing middle of the road veteran free agents. If the veteran performs it is a successful approach but we haven't been that lucky lately. Hopefully we have better luck with this batch of linemen. He obviously likes his o-line already seasoned. ZAN SAYS ANY FAT MAN WILL DO ON THE OL Quote Do Your Part to Improve The Range -- Please put the TRIO OF TRUMP FLUFFERSTM on IGNORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 38 minutes ago, bcw said: I honestly thought Beane would finally invest draft picks on the o-line this year but it looks like he is going back to his old ways of signing middle of the road veteran free agents. If the veteran performs it is a successful approach but we haven't been that lucky lately. Hopefully we have better luck with this batch of linemen. He obviously likes his o-line already seasoned. David Edwards is on a one year contract. Ryan Bates' contract has a trap door in it after this year, and I think we all agree Mitch Morse could retire after this year. Ike Boettger is also on a one year contract as well. So in theory we could lose David Edwards, Mitch Morse, Ike Boettger and Ryan Bates after this year (hopefully they play well, and we can sign some back) We SHOULD draft an IOL this year. I wanted one in the 2nd, but starting to feel 3rd round is the value Beane would put on an IOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Bates is back to playing the spot I wanted him playing last year. #1 bench warmer. Top guy off the bench. Now let’s draft a Tackle and move Spencer Brown to #2 bench warmer. 1 Quote Ed Oliver is my adopt-a-Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedLemonade Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Nuke said: Bates is back to playing the spot I wanted him playing last year. #1 bench warmer. Top guy off the bench. Now let’s draft a Tackle and move Spencer Brown to #2 bench warmer. TACKLE IN THE 1ST CENTRE IN THE 2ND GUARD IN THE 3RD 2 Quote Do Your Part to Improve The Range -- Please put the TRIO OF TRUMP FLUFFERSTM on IGNORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zan186 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, SpikedLemonade said: TACKLE IN THE 1ST CENTRE IN THE 2ND GUARD IN THE 3RD Calls me an idiot and then reiterates exactly what I said " LT are taken usually with top 10 picks. RT usually middle to bottom of first round or day two pick C are usually taken in the bottom of the first or day 2. Guards, unless they are blue chip guys are usually day 2 or day 3 picks." I guess you have a pretty low IQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flan Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Cody Ford - enough said Quote “So shines a good deed in a weary world." ...Willy Wonka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 12 hours ago, Flan said: Cody Ford - enough said Ha, ha. People don't remember Beaner moved UP in the draft to get Cody Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flan Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 23 minutes ago, Crazy Legs said: Ha, ha. People don't remember Beaner moved UP in the draft to get Cody Ford. And not all picks work, so i think we need to take another day 1/2 crack at a OL - maybe pass blocking center/Guard or RT Quote “So shines a good deed in a weary world." ...Willy Wonka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, Flan said: And not all picks work, so i think we need to take another day 1/2 crack at a OL - maybe pass blocking center/Guard or RT Exactly, every pick doesn't work out. So you have to keep taking swings. See my signature, I want Beane to draft Oline. I prefer going IOL/Center in the 2nd round. Get a good prospect. Don't try to get cute and hope you get lucky in the 5th round. Will Beane take a RT in the 1st round this year? I really doubt it. I think Beane is going to roll with Spencer Brown, not because Spencer is so great, but because Beane wants to use the 1st round pick and probably the 2nd round pick on other positions, so he is forced to cross his fingers and hope Spencer can get be at least a little better this year (and maybe...but when you stink at Pass Pro, it is harder to fix than if you are not a good run blocker) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor7 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Getting OL will always be a good idea. Besides its hard to do worse than what we did last year. Good move Quote Bills fan for life!! ................ I love beer, rum, scotch and women !! :rockon: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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