Crazy Legs Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 When trading a player, you are also trading his contract. Ed Oliver is on the last year of his contract. Good chance he hits free agency next year and we lose him. Derrick Henry is on the last year of his contract. So this trade would swap players, as both are one year rentals. Ed Oliver is due $10.3 million this year. Derrick Henry is due $16.3 million. Net Cap Cost to the Bills is $6 million for 2023, which is not nothing. But no Dead Cap in 2024. Would you rather have Ed Oliver for one more year, or Derrick Henry for one more year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seandelevan Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Why not? Fuck it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcw Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I like it. Henry's cap hit is cushioned by taking Oliver off the books. And since you are trading expiring contract for expiring contract there wouldn't be the same obligation to extend Henry that there would be if trading draft picks for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcw Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, f8ta1ity54 said: No thanks. Why not? Do you feel Oliver is more valuable to the team than Henry would be? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Just now, bcw said: Why not? Do you feel Oliver is more valuable to the team than Henry would be? 1. It leaves a massive hole at 3T. 2. We don't have oline he needs. 3. Henry is at his best when getting 25+ touches a game. That won't happen here so it's not a wise use of resources. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcw Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: 1. It leaves a massive hole at 3T. 2. We don't have oline he needs. 3. Henry is at his best when getting 25+ touches a game. That won't happen here so it's not a wise use of resources. Fair. I'm hoping Oliver uses his contract year as motivation. I just love the idea Henry's tough running in our back field. Teams can't stack the box with Josh at qb. Pick your poison....get killed by the pass or run over by a train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 15 minutes ago, bcw said: Fair. I'm hoping Oliver uses his contract year as motivation. I just love the idea Henry's tough running in our back field. Teams can't stack the box with Josh at qb. Pick your poison....get killed by the pass or run over by a train. I just dont think the cost vs the production would be worth it. You could draft a big back for far less and get similar production in an offense that is always going to feature the passing game. I'm pretty sure Oliver is gone after this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldat28 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Maybe, if Henry takes a restructured deal to free up most of what Olivers contract savings would be, since I don't think he'd do that, I'd rather just sign Fournette or I guess Zeke, even though I don't care for either. Then I would trade Oliver but try and do it for a player that fills a big need, maybe they can somehow get Martin from Dallas, or O'neill from Minnesota, if not, I'd do then I'd still look to trade him, and get either a 2nd rounder or an early 3rd packaged with another mid rounder. I then call San Fran and offer a conditional late-round pick in 2024 that could go as high as a 5th, for Javon Kinlaw, who was considered to be someone they could cut anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAHall93 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Ed Oliver is a bust. He’s good, but we whiffed taking this due in top 10. when you have an undersized tweener anchoring your defense, you’re soft AF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedLemonade Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 If we had a decent OL, I would go for the trade. We don’t. Our D will be elite this year with Poyer coming back, Von healthy and the development of Groot. Oliver will be a beast this season playing for a contract. If we dropped Bobby Wagner into that Front 7, I think we are a Top 5 in the whole NFL Defence and with our Top 5 Offence only in game coaching strategy/decisions (13 seconds) can prevent of us getting into the SuperBowl Final. Quote Do Your Part to Improve The Range -- Please put the TRIO OF TRUMP FLUFFERSTM on IGNORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedLemonade Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 hours ago, JAHall93 said: Ed Oliver is a bust. He’s good, but we whiffed taking this due in top 10. when you have an undersized tweener anchoring your defense, you’re soft AF. You need a true 1DT spacing eating NT type next to Oliver so he can get penetration through the OL and be disruptive in the offence backfield for TFL on RBs or Sacks of QBs. Oliver is NOT a bust. He has specific skills. Can you imagine Bobby Wagner being in Oliver’s ears all game? 1 Quote Do Your Part to Improve The Range -- Please put the TRIO OF TRUMP FLUFFERSTM on IGNORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 35 minutes ago, SpikedLemonade said: You need a true 1DT spacing eating NT type next to Oliver so he can get penetration through the OL and be disruptive in the offence backfield for TFL on RBs or Sacks of QBs. Oliver is NOT a bust. He has specific skills. Can you imagine Bobby Wagner being in Oliver’s ears all game? Draft Options: Siaki Ika, 6'4" 358 lbs, Baylor, PRO COMP is Danny Shelton Mazi Smith, 6'3", 326lbs, Michigan. Run-stuffing nose tackle Keeanu Benton, 6'3" 325lbs, Wisconsin traditional 0/1-technique nose tackle (IMO best fit for the Bills) Jerrod Clark, 6'4" 345lbs, Coastal Carolina. Needs more development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zan186 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I would rather trade Oliver and our 27th round pick to move up 7 spots and grab Bijan Robinson. Kill two birds with one stone in that move. You dump 10 million in salary, grab a young blue chip RB who has elite catching ability. Yes the Bills need to address the Offensive line, but they also need at least one more skill position to take the double team off Diggs. I am 100% behind drafting two interior linemen in the 2nd through 4th round that can start. But.....in the 1st round we need an offensive weapon and Robinson can pretty much do it all from the backfield. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumbles247 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 9 hours ago, Crazy Legs said: When trading a player, you are also trading his contract. Ed Oliver is on the last year of his contract. Good chance he hits free agency next year and we lose him. Derrick Henry is on the last year of his contract. So this trade would swap players, as both are one year rentals. Ed Oliver is due $10.3 million this year. Derrick Henry is due $16.3 million. Net Cap Cost to the Bills is $6 million for 2023, which is not nothing. But no Dead Cap in 2024. Would you rather have Ed Oliver for one more year, or Derrick Henry for one more year. Oliver's $10.7 million charge all goes to The Titans in this trade. That's great. Of Henry's $16.3 million cap charge, only $10.5 million comes to us. That's great for us too. It would mean the deal would only cost us $200,000 in cap space. Now we just have to talk the Titans into it. Not only do they absorb Oliver's $10.7 million charge, they also have $10.1 million in prorated bonuses that gets accelerated to their 2023 cap. That leaves the Titans with a total cap hit of $20.8 million for 2023 if they make this trade straight up. Would I want Henry here for basically the same amount as Oliver for one year? Sure. Would the Titans want Oliver for one more year with a total cap charge of $20.8 million? Or would they rather have Henry for one more year at $16.3 million. I believe the idea of trading Henry now is to get something for the future while he still has value. Somehow, I don't think eating $10.1 million in dead cap plus only getting Oliver for one year is what they have in mind. But if you can talk them into it, I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 If Henry had a Bills uniform on next year, it would be a game changer. IF the moron calling plays knew what he was doing. He doesn't. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpp Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 18 minutes ago, HipKat said: If Henry had a Bills uniform on next year, it would be a game changer. IF the moron calling plays knew what he was doing. He doesn't. Damn right! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealpellecchia@yahoo Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 All good thoughts. Keep the big bloke for rt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldat28 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Bumbles247 said: Oliver's $10.7 million charge all goes to The Titans in this trade. That's great. Of Henry's $16.3 million cap charge, only $10.5 million comes to us. That's great for us too. It would mean the deal would only cost us $200,000 in cap space. Now we just have to talk the Titans into it. Not only do they absorb Oliver's $10.7 million charge, they also have $10.1 million in prorated bonuses that gets accelerated to their 2023 cap. That leaves the Titans with a total cap hit of $20.8 million for 2023 if they make this trade straight up. Would I want Henry here for basically the same amount as Oliver for one year? Sure. Would the Titans want Oliver for one more year with a total cap charge of $20.8 million? Or would they rather have Henry for one more year at $16.3 million. I believe the idea of trading Henry now is to get something for the future while he still has value. Somehow, I don't think eating $10.1 million in dead cap plus only getting Oliver for one year is what they have in mind. But if you can talk them into it, I'm all for it. I'm guessing Tennessee doesn't agree to a deal unless they could work out a long term deal with Oliver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumbles247 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 40 minutes ago, Baldat28 said: I'm guessing Tennessee doesn't agree to a deal unless they could work out a long term deal with Oliver Me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seandelevan Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 16 hours ago, Zan186 said: I would rather trade Oliver and our 27th round pick to move up 7 spots and grab Bijan Robinson. Kill two birds with one stone in that move. You dump 10 million in salary, grab a young blue chip RB who has elite catching ability. Yes the Bills need to address the Offensive line, but they also need at least one more skill position to take the double team off Diggs. I am 100% behind drafting two interior linemen in the 2nd through 4th round that can start. But.....in the 1st round we need an offensive weapon and Robinson can pretty much do it all from the backfield. Sign me up… But homers would be mortified because *gasp* yOu cAnT dRafT rUnnInG bAcK iN thE fIrsT rOunD! Not knowing exactly why….they are just parroting what so called draft nerds say. ROBINSON WOULD BE A MASSIVE WEAPON FOR THE BILLS!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryls61 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Never draft a EB in the first round. Would be terrible move. RB's have short careers and get hurt more often. McDermott is a modern aggressive HC and runs a modern NFL passing offense. We have 2 speed pass catching backs on the team already. The OC better use them correctly for once. Chiefs made this mistake with Clyde Edwards-Helaire and he didnt even dress in Bowl and was replaced by a 7th round pick. 1 Quote The Things that unite us are far greater than the things that divide us. "Are you a Jedi?" "I am" Din Djarin to Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian "The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in." - Maz Kanata: Star Wars VII The Force Awakens #Cup or Bust 2024 #Bowl or Bust 2023 - It is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Legs Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 What is Ed Oliver’s value right now? Could Beane draft DT Siaki or Mazi Smith on Day 2 of the draft and then flip Ed Oliver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcw Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Crazy Legs said: What is Ed Oliver’s value right now? Could Beane draft DT Siaki or Mazi Smith on Day 2 of the draft and then flip Ed Oliver? I can't imagine anyone would give the Bills much for him with his contract....somewhat expensive and 1 year rental. Would the Bills accept a 4th just to clear his cap space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryls61 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 23 hours ago, JAHall93 said: Ed Oliver is a bust. He’s good, but we whiffed taking this due in top 10. when you have an undersized tweener anchoring your defense, you’re soft AF. Aaron Donald would say differently. Donald weigh 284 Oliver 287. Quote The Things that unite us are far greater than the things that divide us. "Are you a Jedi?" "I am" Din Djarin to Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian "The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in." - Maz Kanata: Star Wars VII The Force Awakens #Cup or Bust 2024 #Bowl or Bust 2023 - It is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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