You believed them when they had no evidence. Why not now?

[SackMan518]

 

1. Late on election night, with Trump comfortably ahead, many swing states stopped counting ballots. In most cases, observers were removed from the counting facilities. Counting generally continued without the observers

2. Statistically abnormal vote counts were the new normal when counting resumed. They were unusually large in size (hundreds of thousands) and had an unusually high (90 percent and above) Biden-to-Trump ratio

3. Late arriving ballots were counted. In Pennsylvania, 23,000 absentee ballots have impossible postal return dates and another 86,000 have such extraordinary return dates they raise serious questions

4. The failure to match signatures on mail-in ballots. The destruction of mail in ballot envelopes, which must contain signatures

5. Historically low absentee ballot rejection rates despite the massive expansion of mail voting. Such is Biden’s narrow margin that, as political analyst Robert Barnes observes, ‘If the states simply imposed the same absentee ballot rejection rate as recent cycles, then Trump wins the election’

6. Missing votes. In Delaware County, Pennsylvania, 50,000 votes held on 47 USB cards are missing

7. Non-resident voters. Matt Braynard’s Voter Integrity Project estimates that 20,312 people who no longer met residency requirements cast ballots in Georgia. Biden’s margin is 12,670 votes

8. Serious ‘chain of custody’ breakdowns. Invalid residential addresses. Record numbers of dead people voting. Ballots in pristine condition without creases, that is, they had not been mailed in envelopes as required by law

9. Statistical anomalies. In Georgia, Biden overtook Trump with 89 percent of the votes counted. For the next 53 batches of votes counted, Biden led Trump by the same exact 50.05 to 49.95 percent margin in every single batch. It is particularly perplexing that all statistical anomalies and tabulation abnormalities were in Biden’s favor. Whether the cause was simple human error or nefarious activity, or a combination, clearly something peculiar happened.

 

[HipKat]

2 hours ago, IrishLass said:

Oh, I thought from the thread title this was about Covid origins and the vaccines.

So why ARE you still believing those Big Lies? Time for another booster? It'll keep you "safe."

You think everything is about Covid. You need a shrink, quick

[HipKat]

1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

 

1 – Total vote:
President Trump received more votes than any previous incumbent seeking reelection. He got 11 million more votes than in 2016, the third largest rise in support ever for an incumbent. By way of comparison, President Obama was comfortably reelected in 2012 with 3.5 million fewer votes than he received in 2008.

Trump’s vote increased so much because, according to exit polls, he performed far better with many key demographic groups. Ninety-five percent of Republicans voted for him. He did extraordinarily well with rural male working-class whites.

2 – Minority vote:
He earned the highest share of all minority votes for a Republican since 1960. Trump grew his support among black voters by 50 percent over 2016. Nationally, Joe Biden’s black support fell well below 90 percent, the level below which Democratic presidential candidates usually lose.

3 – Hispanic vote:
Trump increased his share of the national Hispanic vote to 35 percent. With 60 percent or less of the national Hispanic vote, it is arithmetically impossible for a Democratic presidential candidate to win Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico.

4 – History:
Bellwether states swung further in Trump’s direction than in 2016. Florida, Ohio and Iowa each defied America’s media polls with huge wins for Trump. Since 1852, only Richard Nixon has lost the electoral college after winning this trio, and that 1960 defeat to John F. Kennedy is still the subject of great suspicion.

5 – Cities
Midwestern states Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin always swing in the same direction as Ohio and Iowa, their regional peers. Ohio likewise swings with Florida. Current tallies show that, outside of a few cities, the Rust Belt swung in Trump’s direction. Yet, Biden leads in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin because of an apparent avalanche of black votes in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states, which is highly unusual for the presidential victor.

6 – Counties
We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes.

7 – Down ballot votes:
Victorious presidential candidates, especially challengers, usually have down-ballot coattails; Biden did not. The Republicans held the Senate and enjoyed a ‘red wave’ in the House, where they gained a large number of seats while winning all 27 toss-up contests. Trump’s party did not lose a single state legislature and actually made gains at the state level.

8 – Impossibility:
Another anomaly is found in the comparison between the polls and non-polling metrics. The latter include: party registrations trends; the candidates’ respective primary votes; candidate enthusiasm; social media followings; broadcast and digital media ratings; online searches; the number of (especially small) donors; and the number of individuals betting on each candidate.

Despite poor recent performances, media and academic polls have an impressive 80 percent record predicting the winner during the modern era. But, when the polls err, non-polling metrics do not; the latter have a 100 percent record. Every non-polling metric forecast Trump’s reelection. For Trump to lose this election, the mainstream polls needed to be correct, which they were not. Furthermore, for Trump to lose, not only did one or more of these metrics have to be wrong for the first time ever, but every single one had to be wrong, and at the very same time; not an impossible outcome, but extremely unlikely nonetheless.

 

 

I N U E N D O and R H E T O R I C which has ALL been debunked and explained.

Mail in votes are ALWAYS the last counted. Trump told his sheep to NOT use mail-in voting and like good little lambs, they obeyed, while the Left used more mail-in voting than ever, because of Covid, mostly, hence the "comfortable lead" theory being debunked.

On top of that, 2/3's of ALL voters in 2020 were Independents and Democrats. Only 29% identified as Republicans. REAL numbers, not the conspiracy theory bullshit you posted. It was no secret Independents favored Biden prior to the election.

So, cool. More minorities voted for Trump in 2020, but they're just a higher percentage of 29% of ALL voters. Trump might have gotten the highest number of votes of any incumbent, but the election overall was had a higher turnout than most elections. 155.5 million people cast presidential votes in 2020, vs 136.7 million in 2016. The most votes ever cast in a Presidential election. 25% of people who voted in 2020 did NOT vote in 2016, according to Pew Research. 

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Overall, one-in-four 2020 voters (25%) had not voted in 2016. About a quarter of these (6% of all 2020 voters) showed up two years later – in 2018 – to cast ballots in the highest-turnout midterm election in decades. Those who voted in 2018 but not in 2016 backed Biden over Trump in the 2020 election by about two-to-one (62% to 36%).

Overall, there were shifts in presidential candidate support among some key groups between 2016 and 2020, notably suburban voters and independents. On balance, these shifts helped Biden a little more than Trump.- https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

The thing your side cannot wrap their heads around is how hated Trump was by MOST of Americans. Why do you think his rating never got much above low-40 percentages and the few times they did, fell again right away.

The "late-night", "suitcases", "observers" and "Bellwethers" have been explained over and over and over and over. The fault lies with your side not accepting the truth - which, BTW, other than Trump and his closest sheep like Guiliani and Powell, E V E R Y O N E has admitted it was all a lie. Perpetrated by Trump advisors Bannon and Stone PRIOR to the election - and it's all played out JUST as they were recorded talking about before the election.

Trump inner circle - including his fucking daughter have admitted it was a lie. FOX has come clean about all of it. 

And your accusations that the courts refused to hear evidence is based on one thing; Trump lawyers HAD NO EVIDENCE to present.

This isn't rocket science. It's just your side doing everything to avoid accepting facts and spreading lies and rhetoric, still, 2 1/2 years later.

One other thing. A LARGE number of Democrats are not in favor of Biden running again. The Right needs to take the same stance with Trump and find someone better, as should the Democrats. BOTH candidates were terrible choices in 2020 and they'll be equally terrible in 2024.

It's time to move past this partisan revenge politics BULLSHIT and find people that can actually run the country for ALL Americans.

 

 

[SackMan518]

That was a nice piece @HipKatdid you have help from the MSM spin doctors on that one?

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

Mail in votes are ALWAYS the last counted. Trump told his sheep to NOT use mail-in voting and like good little lambs, they obeyed, while the Left used more mail-in voting than ever, because of Covid, mostly, hence the "comfortable lead" theory being debunked.

Like it was explained, it's awful funny how those middle of the night ballot dumps always favor the Democrats. It's almost like they wait to see how many they need to negate the in person voting.... Hmmm....

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

It was no secret Independents favored Biden prior to the election.

Why? Independents normally favor incumbents that have the economy booming... but... somehow this ONE time everything was upside down. Hmmm....

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

The most votes ever cast in a Presidential election. 25% of people who voted in 2020 did NOT vote in 2016, according to Pew Research. 

Yeah I smell dogshit on that one. It would be more believable if the Democrats had an energizing candidate like Sanders or Obama to get them out there but they had a life long Corruptocrat that no one likes. I'm going to say there were the most votes in history but I doubt all of them were tied to real, verified persons.

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

The thing your side cannot wrap their heads around is how hated Trump was by MOST of Americans. Why do you think his rating never got much above low-40 percentages and the few times they did, fell again right away.

He was the most vehemently hated by the easily brainwashed which is basically anyone who has poor control over their emotions (women and hotheads) that listened to about 70% of the MSM assuring you that Trump was worse than Hitler. Unfortunately this was a loud vocal minority (you are one of them) that's probably about 25 - 30% of the population. Everyone hated George W. Bush (with good cause) for 8 years and he still won twice despite being an idiotic disaster... of course, he didn't have the establishment against him though because he was one of their stoolies.

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

The "late-night", "suitcases", "observers" and "Bellwethers" have been explained over and over and over and over.

None of the explanations have been satisfactory and seem more like inane alibis that only fools with zero critical thinking skills could believe.

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

And your accusations that the courts refused to hear evidence is based on one thing; Trump lawyers HAD NO EVIDENCE to present.

That is a lie.

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

One other thing. A LARGE number of Democrats are not in favor of Biden running again.

They weren't in favor of him running the FIRST time and the guy had no momentum at all.

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

It's time to move past this partisan revenge politics BULLSHIT and find people that can actually run the country for ALL Americans.

It was never going to be Biden-Harris. At least Trump has his Agenda 47 up on how to fix the country while Biden has nothing and only made everything worse. If Trump decides not to run again I'm going to be looking for the next candidate that has the globalists screaming with them using every tool of their apparatus to diminish their support. Whoever that guy or girl is I'll know that this is the one to get behind. If both sides claim it's a good, mature candidate I'll know that it's more of the same bullshit champagne party DC circuit back in effect.

[HipKat]

26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

That was a nice piece @HipKatdid you have help from the MSM spin doctors on that one?

Like it was explained, it's awful funny how those middle of the night ballot dumps always favor the Democrats. It's almost like they wait to see how many they need to negate the in person voting.... Hmmm....

MAIL-IN.VOTES.WERE.COUNTED.LATER.THAN.ONSITE.VOTING.AND.BECAUSE.DEMOCRATS.USED.MAIL-IN.VOTING.MORE.THAN.REPUBLICANS

26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

Why? Independents normally favor incumbents that have the economy booming... but... somehow this ONE time everything was upside down. Hmmm....

Because people HATED Trump outside of the MAGA's. The article explains this.

26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

Yeah I smell dogshit on that one. It would be more believable if the Democrats had an energizing candidate like Sanders or Obama to get them out there but they had a life long Corruptocrat that no one likes. I'm going to say there were the most votes in history but I doubt all of them were tied to real, verified persons.

People hated TRUMP outside of he MAGA's. One of the problems here is you think, being a MAGA that EVERYONE must be a MAGA. You're the minority.

26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

He was the most vehemently hated by the easily brainwashed which is basically anyone who has poor control over their emotions (women and hotheads) that listened to about 70% of the MSM assuring you that Trump was worse than Hitler. Unfortunately this was a loud vocal minority (you are one of them) that's probably about 25 - 30% of the population. Everyone hated George W. Bush (with good cause) for 8 years and he still won twice despite being an idiotic disaster... of course, he didn't have the establishment against him though because he was one of their stoolies.

OK, and that may be part of why he won. Voters are stupid. No argument there.

26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

None of the explanations have been satisfactory and seem more like inane alibis that only fools with zero critical thinking skills could believe.

Because you don't WANT them to be satisfactory

26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

That is a lie.

Sigh.....

Donald Trump And His Lawyers Are Making Sweeping Allegations of Voter Fraud In Public. In Court, They Say No Such Thing
Trump attorney admits misrepresenting evidence of election fraud
Fact check: Courts have dismissed multiple lawsuits of alleged electoral fraud presented by Trump campaign
Courts did review Trump campaign ‘evidence’ of election fraud. Claims that say otherwise are wrong
Why Trump’s Election Fraud Claims Aren’t Showing Up in His Lawsuits
Trump’s legal team cried vote fraud, but courts found none
Nine pro-Trump lawyers ordered to pay $175,000 for sham election lawsuit
Trump Campaign Knew Lawyers’ Voting Machine Claims Were Baseless, Memo Shows

They ADMITTED it's all a lie. They fucking admitted it! The jig is up! Fucking give it up. 

26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

They weren't in favor of him running the FIRST time and the guy had no momentum at all.

Most people HATED Trump. Not sure why I have to keep saying this

26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

It was never going to be Biden-Harris. At least Trump has his Agenda 47 up on how to fix the country while Biden has nothing and only made everything worse. If Trump decides not to run again I'm going to be looking for the next candidate that has the globalists screaming with them using every tool of their apparatus to diminish their support. Whoever that guy or girl is I'll know that this is the one to get behind. If both sides claim it's a good, mature candidate I'll know that it's more of the same bullshit champagne party DC circuit back in effect.

Trump is gonna fix the country?? He made it worse last time. Or did 8 TRILLION Dollars in spending not count bEcUzE iT wUz TrUmP? I won't even go into his intentionally diving AMERICANS - since the rest of this part is a great indicator of how you bought right into it

[SackMan518]

18 minutes ago, HipKat said:

The jig is up! Fucking give it up. 

[HipKat]

8 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

Good answer! Very thorough lol

[SackMan518]

6 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Good answer! Very thorough lol

That's all you're getting because I got nothing else to say to you.

You whole heartedly believe that it was a fair and legitimate election.

I believe that it was 3rd World Banana Republic operation.

I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine... and close to half of Americans.

[Philly'sFinest]

8 hours ago, HipKat said:

 

I N U E N D O and R H E T O R I C which has ALL been debunked and explained.

 

Mail in votes are ALWAYS the last counted. Trump told his sheep to NOT use mail-in voting and like good little lambs, they obeyed, while the Left used more mail-in voting than ever, because of Covid, mostly, hence the "comfortable lead" theory being debunked.

 

On top of that, 2/3's of ALL voters in 2020 were Independents and Democrats. Only 29% identified as Republicans. REAL numbers, not the conspiracy theory bullshit you posted. It was no secret Independents favored Biden prior to the election.

 

So, cool. More minorities voted for Trump in 2020, but they're just a higher percentage of 29% of ALL voters. Trump might have gotten the highest number of votes of any incumbent, but the election overall was had a higher turnout than most elections. 155.5 million people cast presidential votes in 2020, vs 136.7 million in 2016. The most votes ever cast in a Presidential election. 25% of people who voted in 2020 did NOT vote in 2016, according to Pew Research. 

 

The thing your side cannot wrap their heads around is how hated Trump was by MOST of Americans. Why do you think his rating never got much above low-40 percentages and the few times they did, fell again right away.

 

The "late-night", "suitcases", "observers" and "Bellwethers" have been explained over and over and over and over. The fault lies with your side not accepting the truth - which, BTW, other than Trump and his closest sheep like Guiliani and Powell, E V E R Y O N E has admitted it was all a lie. Perpetrated by Trump advisors Bannon and Stone PRIOR to the election - and it's all played out JUST as they were recorded talking about before the election.

 

Trump inner circle - including his fucking daughter have admitted it was a lie. FOX has come clean about all of it. 

 

And your accusations that the courts refused to hear evidence is based on one thing; Trump lawyers HAD NO EVIDENCE to present.

 

This isn't rocket science. It's just your side doing everything to avoid accepting facts and spreading lies and rhetoric, still, 2 1/2 years later.

 

One other thing. A LARGE number of Democrats are not in favor of Biden running again. The Right needs to take the same stance with Trump and find someone better, as should the Democrats. BOTH candidates were terrible choices in 2020 and they'll be equally terrible in 2024.

 

It's time to move past this partisan revenge politics BULLSHIT and find people that can actually run the country for ALL Americans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

When you can come to the realization that a large majority of us are not cultists that aren't just crying because we want to, then maybe we can start to have an honest discussion about this subject. You have never been willing to do this because of this ridiculous notion you have in your mind, and it's beyond the pale.

We are grown men that have careers and families. We have seen and dealt with way too much to be stuck on something because we refuse to accept it, or whatever other thing you seem to think. That's not how people like myself work...not in the least, dude.

At this point, I'd love nothing more than to be proven beyond any doubt that I was wrong. It's better for the country because it would move us forward instead of looking back. But, unfortunately...there's no way to move forward when things like mail in balloting appears to be a method in which states can manufacture ballots over whatever number of days it takes to get the desired result. 

But keep telling us that we are just bitter losers that refuse to accept it, and that we are in a cult. 

[HipKat]

4 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

That's all you're getting because I got nothing else to say to you.

You whole heartedly believe that it was a fair and legitimate election.

I believe that it was 3rd World Banana Republic operation.

I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine... and close to half of Americans.

I whole-heartedly agree that anything that wasn't completely legit was no different than any other election that MAY have had votes that weren't legit - as has been show when people busted for cheating, mostly Repubs. btw - and had zero bearing on the outcome.

BUT, with that said, I can't keep doing this. Maybe becoming a manager has changed my perception of dealing with people but we need to draw a fucking line here because you're right, you're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.

Besides, with the changing members and their ridiculous agendas, it's gotten to be a lot more fun siding up - since outside of Trump we basically are aligned on most things anyway - against these fucking morons.

You, @Philly'sFinest, @Thebowflexbody, @RichJand I just need to agree on this and just stop going at each other. It's tiring as fuck and keeps me away form getting other shit done, like now, I spent the entire Sabres game here posting an this shit - and attacking ICRetards. Which is OK. 

 

[HipKat]

1 minute ago, Philly'sFinest said:

When you can come to the realization that a large majority of us are not cultists that aren't just crying because we want to, then maybe we can start to have an honest discussion about this subject. You have never been willing to do this because of this ridiculous notion you have in your mind, and it's beyond the pale.

We are grown men that have careers and families. We have seen and dealt with way too much to be stuck on something because we refuse to accept it, or whatever other thing you seem to think. That's not how people like myself work...not in the least, dude.

At this point, I'd love nothing more than to be proven beyond any doubt that I was wrong. It's better for the country because it would move us forward instead of looking back. But, unfortunately...there's no way to move forward when things like mail in balloting appears to be a method in which states can manufacture ballots over whatever number of days it takes to get the desired result. 

But keep telling us that we are just bitter losers that refuse to accept it, and that we are in a cult. 

See the above post

[ICRockets2]

1 minute ago, HipKat said:

I whole-heartedly agree that anything that wasn't completely legit was no different than any other election that MAY have had votes that weren't legit - as has been show when people busted for cheating, mostly Repubs. btw - and had zero bearing on the outcome.

BUT, with that said, I can't keep doing this. Maybe becoming a manager has changed my perception of dealing with people but we need to draw a fucking line here because you're right, you're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.

Besides, with the changing members and their ridiculous agendas, it's gotten to be a lot more fun siding up - since outside of Trump we basically are aligned on most things anyway - against these fucking morons.

You, @Philly'sFinest, @Thebowflexbody, @RichJand I just need to agree on this and just stop going at each other. It's tiring as fuck and keeps me away form getting other shit done, like now, I spent the entire Sabres game here posting an this shit - and attacking ICRetards. Which is OK. 

 

ICRockets: "You know your bigotry is just going to see you siding with fascists when they decide it's time for genocide, right?"

Hip: "How dare you, I'm putting you on ignore you big meany poopface"







Hip later: "Howdy, fascist!  I would like to focus on joining you for that genocide!"

[HipKat]

1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

ICRockets: "You know your bigotry is just going to see you siding with fascists when they decide it's time for genocide, right?"

Hip: "How dare you, I'm putting you on ignore 
 

4 months ago called. They want their ignore function back, too

[SackMan518]

6 minutes ago, HipKat said:

You, @Philly'sFinest, @Thebowflexbody, @RichJand I just need to agree on this and just stop going at each other.

Hey I'm fine with agreeing to disagree on it. I'll go to my grave refusing to believe a senile old man that shits his pants with a crackhead son and a cackling idiotic whore as his VP did not win the election legitimately.

[HipKat]

Just now, SackMan518 said:

Hey I'm fine with agreeing to disagree on it. I'll go to my grave refusing to believe a senile old man that shits his pants with a crackhead son and a cackling idiotic whore as his VP did not win the election legitimately.

And I'll go to mine believing a grifter who used the white house for no other reason that to enrich his family and friends while using division to keep people's eyes averted couldn't win a 2nd term

lol! 

[shiva2999]

 

 

 

 

[HipKat]

11 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

 

 

 

 

Talking to yourself, gramps?

[Philly'sFinest]

 

[HipKat]

7 hours ago, Philly'sFinest said:

 

 

[Philly'sFinest]

 

[Philly'sFinest]

4 hours ago, HipKat said:

 

That dope must have missed where Republican poll watchers in many of these battleground states were barred from the stations they were assigned to. In Philadelphia, they came with a court order and were still not allowed in.

 

[HipKat]

3 hours ago, Philly'sFinest said:

 

Wages have NOT gone down since Biden took over

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/

Blame Bush for Afghanistan, specifically for dropping pursuit of bin Laden and going to Iraq
Trump handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban, BTW.
Would we be looking at WWIII if Russia had NOT invaded Ukraine?? (BTW, I'm not in favor of the amount we've spent in Ukraine - but I'm also not in favor aof letting Russia absorb a sovereign nation).
Banks failed... why?? Republicans - Bush and Trump dropping regulations like Republicans love to do - deregulate

[HipKat]

3 hours ago, Philly'sFinest said:

That dope must have missed where Republican poll watchers in many of these battleground states were barred from the stations they were assigned to. I

 

Never happened and Trump lawyers actually walked that back in court. It was just another Trump lie that you can't let go of.

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In mid-November 2020, U.S. President Donald Trump's reelection campaign sent supporters fundraising emails saying poll workers were thrown out of rooms where elections officials were counting ballots in the presidential election. (Read more fact checks like this one here.)

"Large numbers of poll watchers were thrown out of vote counting rooms in many key battleground states," claimed a Nov. 17 email obtained by Snopes.

Separately, the Trump campaign sent supporters another fundraising email that claimed Republican poll watchers were not "thrown out" but prohibited from entering ballot-processing rooms altogether, suggesting that the alleged lack of surveillance benefited President-elect Joe Biden.

“The best description of this situation is widespread, nationwide voter fraud, of which this is a part," Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal attorney, said of the alleged conspiracy by Democrats, without citing any evidence.

Together, the emails and Giuliani's statement claimed that some unidentified person, or a group of people, ordered Republican poll workers to leave ballot-counting rooms, or to not enter them in the first place — essentially breaking laws that allow for poll observers to monitor the elections process on behalf of a political party or candidate.

Before we unpack those allegations, let us explain about whom we're talking.

Every state allows some form of "poll watching" or "election observing," by means of which political parties or candidates appoint volunteers to monitor polling sites for fairness on Election Day. Additionally, states train and certify nonpartisan poll watchers to keep an eye out for any voting issues.

Rules governing both types of poll watching, especially to combat any voter harassment or intimidation, vary state by state, and apply to poll watchers regardless of their political affiliation.

"State rules vary on who can be a poll watcher, how many are allowed at polling places or local elections offices, and how they must conduct themselves inside the office or precinct," according to The Associated Press.

The Trump campaign alleged poll watchers were blocked from doing their jobs "in many key battleground states," though it did not, in its emails, pinpoint one or more locations where this supposedly occurred. Giuliani, however, claimed Democrats in cities including Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Las Vegas, and Phoenix were behind the alleged conspiracy to undermine Trump's reelection.

No poll watchers with the Democratic party raised issues with the 2020 election.

For more details about the Trump campaign's allegations, we referred to the campaign's lawsuits challenging various aspects of the presidential election to determine where, exactly, the campaign believed citizen monitors were wrongfully kicked out of ballot-processing rooms.

At least two legal complaints in Pennsylvania and Michigan involved Republican poll watchers.

However, on Nov. 17, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled distancing regulations at polling sites were "reasonable" in that they allowed poll monitors to see what was happening, as prescribed by state law. (You can read that decision here.) The high court's ruling countered an earlier decision by a lower court that sided with the Trump campaign.

Days before that decision, U.S. District Judge Paul S. Diamond asked a Trump campaign lawyer during a court hearing if poll watchers were allowed in the room where election workers were processing mail-in ballots in Philadelphia.

“There’s a nonzero number of people in the room,” campaign lawyer Jerome Marcus replied, acknowledging that Trump representatives were indeed present despite the campaign's messaging.

Additionally, Republican poll watchers in Michigan's Wayne County filed a lawsuit alleging fraud during absentee ballot counting at a Detroit convention center. That litigation sought to halt the state's vote certification process. But two judges found no evidence to support the accusations and allowed the process of certifying votes to proceed, finalizing the state's voter tallies.

Of separate lawsuits, The Associated Press reported:

"Other lawsuits claimed poll watchers were temporarily denied access in some locations, but there has been no evidence to back it up. Nor was there evidence of votes being miscounted out of political bias. And most of the litigation alleging this has been dismissed."

In other words, there was no evidence of any person or entity blocking poll watchers' access to polling sites on Election Day, no matter their presidential candidate of choice.

Additionally, there were no reports of someone, or a group of people, "throwing out" poll observers from rooms to which election laws guarantee them the right, as of this report.

Those conclusions do not eliminate the possibility that poll watchers at some (or many) sites across the country were asked to follow distancing guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID-19 and avoid distracting voters. However, there's no proof of such requests being part of a nefarious scheme to help Trump or Biden, or any political cause.

We should note here: The emails about poll observers from Trump's campaign asked supporters to chip in to a so-called "Official Election Defense Fund" or "Election Defense Task Force," both of which the campaign framed as costly initiatives involving ballot recounts or various lawsuits to challenge Biden's win.

But according to Brendan Fischer, director of the federal reform program at Campaign Legal Center, the average donor's money was not covering those expenses. Rather, people were giving their money to the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, where contributions are divided between Trump's committees and the Republican National Committee. 

"Small donors who give to Trump thinking they are financing an 'official election defense fund' are in fact helping pay down the Trump campaign’s debt or funding his post-presidential political operation," Fischer tweeted.

In sum, no evidence showed poll watchers were removed or prohibited from rooms were ballots were being counted in the Biden-Trump race, even though physical distancing rules may have affected the monitoring. In fact, one Republican lawyer representing Trump provided evidence to the contrary and acknowledged Republican poll watchers in Philadelphia were indeed allowed in ballot counting rooms.

For those reasons, we rate this claim "False."

 

 

 

[Philly'sFinest]

Shocking

[ICRockets2]

10 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said:

Shocking