"Nice of FLOTUS to encourage the diminishment of women on ‘international women's day.’

[HipKat]

3 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

None of this is an argument for why you insist sex and gender are the same thing- something even Lit is happy to acknowledge isn't the case.  It's just a bunch of cope from a retarded bigot who's REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing his life away over his right to hate as many people as he can manage on a daily basis, no matter how miserable it makes him.

Sex and gender not being the same thing has NOTHING to do with this. Nothing! It's just you grasping for straws

[ICRockets2]

3 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

It means that sex and gender, when viewed in the context of trans, are the same

No it doesn't.  

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, HipKat said:

Sex and gender not being the same thing has NOTHING to do with this. Nothing! It's just you grasping for straws

Sex and gender not being the same thing has EVERYTHING to do with this.  

[ICRockets2]

3 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

 the majority of trans people do some sort of modification including their sex (whether it be hormones or surgery).

Yeah no shit, people with bad eyesight get corrective lenses, bald men get hair plugs, people with auditory shortcomings get hearing aids, veterans who had their legs blown off get prosthetics.  

BREAKING: Medicine helps people.  More at 11.

[LiterateStylish]

1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said:

Yeah no shit, people with bad eyesight get corrective lenses, bald men get hair plugs, people with auditory shortcomings get hearing aids, veterans who had their legs blown off get prosthetics.  

BREAKING: Medicine helps people.  More at 11.

Which is exactly why trans = sex.

Not just gender.

[LiterateStylish]

1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said:

No it doesn't.  

It literally does.

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, LiterateStylish said:

Which is exactly why trans = sex.

Not just gender.

I never said it was just gender.  All I said was that sex and gender refer to different things.  The term 'woman' is a gendered term, so my point to Hip was that when it comes to whether or not a trans woman is a woman we need only analyze the function and performance of gender.  In that particular context, sex is immaterial.  

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, LiterateStylish said:

It literally does.

It literally doesn't.  I have both clothes and skin, but that doesn't mean that "clothes and skin, when viewed in the context of ICRockets, are the same"

[HipKat]

5 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

Sex and gender not being the same thing has EVERYTHING to do with this.  

NO! This about the modern day Democrats virtue signaling by picking a token Trans person for a Female position

[HipKat]

5 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

Yeah no shit, people with bad eyesight get corrective lenses, bald men get hair plugs, people with auditory shortcomings get hearing aids, veterans who had their legs blown off get prosthetics.  

BREAKING: Medicine helps people.  More at 11.

Nice list of things people need, other than the hair plugs. My eyes go bad, I NE#ED glasses to see. SRS is not medicine. It's cosmetic surgery

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, HipKat said:

NO! This about the modern day Democrats virtue signaling by picking a token Trans person for a Female position

Sure, but the problem with that is if it's virtue signaling.  If it isn't, if it's an authentic desire to celebrate trans people, then "it's virtue signaling" isn't a valid criticism because it wouldn't be virtue signaling.

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, HipKat said:

Nice list of things people need, other than the hair plugs. My eyes go bad, I NE#ED glasses to see. SRS is not medicine. It's cosmetic surgery

Cosmetic surgery that the preponderance of research suggests improves peoples' mental health.  So in that sense it absolutely IS medincine.  

[HipKat]

36 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Sure, but the problem with that is if it's virtue signaling.  If it isn't, if it's an authentic desire to celebrate trans people, then "it's virtue signaling" isn't a valid criticism because it wouldn't be virtue signaling.

Then let there be a 50 most influential TRANS people award. 

[HipKat]

36 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Cosmetic surgery that the preponderance of research suggests improves peoples' mental health.  So in that sense it absolutely IS medincine.  

Why should they get special attention to their mental health? Half this planet is suffering with mental health issues that don't include "I'm a fat loser that no girl will fuck so I think I wanna be a girl so I don't feel so guilty taking cock"

[ICRockets2]

9 hours ago, HipKat said:

Then let there be a 50 most influential TRANS people award. 

Or we can just recognize trans women alongside cis women when celebrating women, since both trans women and cis women are.......women.

[ICRockets2]

9 hours ago, HipKat said:

Why should they get special attention to their mental health? 

You have lost your goddamn mind.  This is a completely fucking retarded gripe.

[HipKat]

56 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Or we can just recognize trans women alongside cis women when celebrating women, since both trans women and cis women are.......women.

Bullshit. Woman works her entire life to follow a path that leads to being recognized for her lifetime of achievements and contributions to women's issues and the world in general and she's going to take a back seat to some mental case that cut his dick off and put some make up and changed his name the Jennifer?? Just because mental cases like him are tHe CAsE oF tHe DaY?? 

And no I have NOT lost my mind. Trans people NEED mental health care more than anyone else for one reason, they're fucking mentally damaged and delusional

[LiterateStylish]

16 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

It literally doesn't.  I have both clothes and skin, but that doesn't mean that "clothes and skin, when viewed in the context of ICRockets, are the same"

Your comparison is not analogous. Clothes are an external item. Sex and Gender are internal and are inherent to the person.

The argument used to be (and even trannies have since dropped it), that gender dysphoria is only a gender issue. But we now know that it is also a sex issue, since gender dysphoria directly makes trans want to take hormone differentiators and conforming surgery, thus changing their sex.

 

 

 

[LiterateStylish]

16 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

I never said it was just gender.  All I said was that sex and gender refer to different things.  The term 'woman' is a gendered term, so my point to Hip was that when it comes to whether or not a trans woman is a woman we need only analyze the function and performance of gender.  In that particular context, sex is immaterial.  

Would it make it better if we changed “woman” and “man” to “XX” and “XY”?

Bathrooms to “XX” and “XY”?

[ICRockets2]

15 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Your comparison is not analogous. Clothes are an external item. Sex and Gender are internal and are inherent to the person.

The argument used to be (and even trannies have since dropped it), that gender dysphoria is only a gender issue. But we now know that it is also a sex issue, since gender dysphoria directly makes trans want to take hormone differentiators and conforming surgery, thus changing their sex.

 

 

 

Gender dysphoria doesn't "make trans want to take hormones" any more than appendicitis would "make patient want to have surgery".  It's just that the hormones are a common and effective treatment for gender dysphoria.  If the treatment for gender dysphoria was doing 7 backflips, it's not like having gender dysphoria would lead to a biological urge to do backflips.  

[ICRockets2]

17 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Would it make it better if we changed “woman” and “man” to “XX” and “XY”?

Bathrooms to “XX” and “XY”?

No, because biologists don't determine sex chromosomally.  They primarily go by gametes.  

[ICRockets2]

46 minutes ago, HipKat said:

 

And no I have NOT lost my mind. Trans people NEED mental health care more than anyone else 

Then I guess it was stupid of you to complain about them getting it

[LiterateStylish]

12 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

No, because biologists don't determine sex chromosomally.  They primarily go by gametes.  

Uhm, what?

Do you have any clue what you just wrote?

[LiterateStylish]

14 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Gender dysphoria doesn't "make trans want to take hormones" any more than appendicitis would "make patient want to have surgery".  It's just that the hormones are a common and effective treatment for gender dysphoria.  If the treatment for gender dysphoria was doing 7 backflips, it's not like having gender dysphoria would lead to a biological urge to do backflips.  

Semantics won't help you. Sex is directly intertwined with Trans. Even Trans movements have given up the fight you can't stop waging because you are unable to control your emotions.

[ICRockets2]

2 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Uhm, what?

Do you have any clue what you just wrote?

Yes.