I Miss the Good Ole Days of NFL football.

[jamsim67]

 

This is just my opinion, but I would hope that some of you are at least questioning the shit monster that is the NFL. Just a small sample, as I'm sure there are more narratives that go into a win or loss, and who ultimately ends up in the super bowl, but here goes.

The NFL cannot have a Super Bowl team from Buffalo (hope I'm wrong). Not glamorous enough. Owners no longer care about a win or loss, pretty sure profits are split evenly across the board at the end of the season. If it's such a great accomplishment, why isn't the Super Bowl winner getting the biggest share? Owners are businessmen first, who don't give a shit about the players. If they cared about the players, we wouldn't be seeing Thursday night games, and maybe Monday as well because they'd want to make sure their best players had time to recover. Players, and coaches, to a certain extent are most likely on board, because they are making millions. And those millions are probably there for them to keep their mouth's shut. How else do you explain McDermott and his extremely soft prevent defense for 4 quarters (that they will learn from. lol)? Do you honestly believe that an NFL coach, a defensive guy, playing at home, with a chance to play in the AFC championship game is going to come out playing defense like that when trying to get to a Super Bowl?

If players and coaches weren't on board, I'm sure we'd be seeing major blow-ups on the sidelines over the many bad calls, or non-calls made by the refs that we've seen the last few years. Hold on, last few years? How about the AFC and NFC championship games? The referees are not bad referees, they are doing what they were hired to do, which is to control or outright fix the games, and in the process pull the wool over our eyes.

This is sports entertainment, and not real sports. They told us this in court, when the Jet fan sued the Patriots over spy gate. To much money on the table, for the owners to leave anything up to chance. When television networks, and businesses spend mega-millions to be a part the system, we will be entertained. If you're the CEO of Budweiser, and you've spent millions on advertising, you want fans to see your advertisements, and not flip the channel because the game is a blowout, and the same goes for the television networks. Go outside and play? Not on their watch. It's no accident that games are now going down to the wire, or overtime. This is not parody, it's sports entertainment, and we've been lied to. Look at situational play calling, or clock management by NFL coaches who are supposed to understand the game of football. Late in the game, with the ball and the lead, opposition has no timeouts left and you're throwing the ball? There are plenty of other situations.

Just like years past, Philly and KC did not earn the trip, they were chosen and you can choose any narrative or story-line you want for why they are there. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

Again, not trying to challenge anyone's belief system, as this can be hard to accept. As fans, we want to believe that everything is on the up and up and we would have won if the referee had thrown a flag for the obvious pass interference, or holding that was right in front of their eyes, but somehow ...  they just missed it.

Brady was never the goat, just someone chosen to carry the NFL banner and he had way to much help along the way. Even in retirement, he's still of shit.

Anyway, this is way to long, just interested in what others have to say, if anything at all. And even that's cool ...

 

[HipKat]

This is not much different than what people were saying when the bills were going to Super Bowls

[jamsim67]

I don't think it was this out in the open.

[jamsim67]

So, nobody thinks this game was decided for Mahomes on that BS defensive holding? Nothing to see here, it's all good?

The league needs to change it's name to the WFF

[SackMan518]

1 minute ago, jamsim67 said:

So, nobody thinks this game was decided for Mahomes on that BS defensive holding? Nothing to see here, it's all good?

The league needs to change it's name to the WFF

BS call. They were just ensuring the KC win. 

[jamsim67]

Just now, SackMan518 said:

BS call. They were just ensuring the KC win. 

And they officially anointed Mahomes as the new Brady. sports entertainment baby

 

[SackMan518]

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[Herodotus]

Okay, but why did Indy get to the Superbowl? Why doesn't Vegas make the Superbowl? Why not Chicago? Why not Washington? Why not the Jets? We didn't make the Superbowl because we ain't built for it.  This is a basketball league and we think we should win with defense.  Fuck that.  Look at both Philly and KC.  They have two or three big pass rushers but they don't stress defense.  No, they stress offense.  Allen behind either Philly or KC's line? He has at least one ring by now.  Allen with KC or Philly's receivers? He has at least one ring by now.  Oh and both Philly and KC both run well enough to get defenses to back off.  The Chiefs don't have any probowl caliber backs, but they have guys who can chew yardage and make defenses respect the run enough that it opens all sorts of shit open for Mahomes.  The Dolphins (who lets be honest here, we should have lost to them) are the same. So are the Bengals.  

What I am saying is if this team is serious about winning in my lifetime, they will have a firesale on the Defense, and will build up the OL, receiving corps, and get the running game going.  They do that they might even make the show next year.  They don't? They'll end up wasting Josh like the Colts wasted Luck, the Bolts wasted Rivers and Fouts, and the Oilers wasted Moon.

[jamsim67]

6 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

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It would make it so much simpler if we could just blame the refs, but it goes much deeper.

[jamsim67]

5 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Okay, but why did Indy get to the Superbowl? Why doesn't Vegas make the Superbowl? Why not Chicago? Why not Washington? Why not the Jets? We didn't make the Superbowl because we ain't built for it.  This is a basketball league and we think we should win with defense.  Fuck that.  Look at both Philly and KC.  They have two or three big pass rushers but they don't stress defense.  No, they stress offense.  Allen behind either Philly or KC's line? He has at least one ring by now.  Allen with KC or Philly's receivers? He has at least one ring by now.  Oh and both Philly and KC both run well enough to get defenses to back off.  The Chiefs don't have any probowl caliber backs, but they have guys who can chew yardage and make defenses respect the run enough that it opens all sorts of shit open for Mahomes.  The Dolphins (who lets be honest here, we should have lost to them) are the same. So are the Bengals.  

What I am saying is if this team is serious about winning in my lifetime, they will have a firesale on the Defense, and will build up the OL, receiving corps, and get the running game going.  They do that they might even make the show next year.  They don't? They'll end up wasting Josh like the Colts wasted Luck, the Bolts wasted Rivers and Fouts, and the Oilers wasted Moon.

It wouldn't matter. The NFL is one sick joke, and everyone is in on it except the fans. the jokes on us. I know I'm in the minority, but I don't accept this crap.

[travolta]

22 minutes ago, jamsim67 said:

And they officially anointed Mahomes as the new Brady. sports entertainment baby

 

That defensive holding call was ridiculous.

I don’t know why the Pats and Brady and now KC and Mahomes got anointed, but how can you possibly deny it? 
 

4th quarter on Bengals game was a disgrace. 
 

 

[jamsim67]

13 minutes ago, travolta said:

That defensive holding call was ridiculous.

I don’t know why the Pats and Brady and now KC and Mahomes got anointed, but how can you possibly deny it? 
 

4th quarter on Bengals game was a disgrace. 
 

 

They aren't even hiding it anymore.

Have you noticed that when an obvious bad call is made, there is barely a grumble from the losing team. Yeah they show a little emotion, but If this were real, bench would be going insane.

[Psycho79]

I used to be sad when the Super Bowl was over. I’m happy and relieved nowadays. The NFL sucks now. The XFL and USFL? Meh. Football season is over.

[Crinoline]

2 hours ago, jamsim67 said:

So, nobody thinks this game was decided for Mahomes on that BS defensive holding? Nothing to see here, it's all good?

The league needs to change it's name to the WFF

At that point in the game, to call that, yes the fix was in.

[Psycho79]

 

"Football season is over, Veronica. Kurt and Ram had nothing to offer this school but date rapes and AIDS jokes". 

One of my favorite lines in the movie Heathers and I always think of it when the Super Bowl is over.

 

[StraightJ]

2 hours ago, jamsim67 said:

And they officially anointed Mahomes as the new Brady. sports entertainment baby

 

 

I recall the coronation, even the preview a week ahead when a video was played of the flaming Beck playing Neil Young's "Old Man"("hey old man take a look at my life, I'm a lot like you").  I recall at the time trying to get folks to take notice that they went to such efforts to market this, and Collinsworth or whomever talking about the greatest of one era going against the greatest of the current era.....and it being early enough in the season where JFA and the Bills were still heavy SB favorites.  

RELATED: recall coming into this season, Aaron Rodgers was back to back reigning MVP.  Something needed to be done(also recall the BIZARRE BILLS game where Von Miller said he eventually jokingly asked Rodgers if he was ever going to pass[in an obvious passing situation, trailing by a lot in the 2nd half]). Take that into account when seeing Halloween-weekend video (something like)"Stephen A goes off on Green Bay GM" (for purposefully hamstringing the 2 time reigning MVP)....it was actually the apparently falsely accused/BANNED Michael Irvin, whose "costume" was "Stephen A", which the parody of allowed him to say this on TV.   I have not before or since seen ONE mention of this by ANYONE(including comments or message boards, not even TWD lol), even though it was one of the oddities I had noted this season that really bothered me.

I also recall wondering how TB12 felt about the NFL's choice of marketing, calling him an old man, and in my opinion saying his time was done(they needed him to advertise 1 specific thing unique to last season, and now they were done with him and letting him know so, as I saw it then.  I feel even more solid about my assessment now, FWIW). 

Even if NFL/Mahomes apologists want to overlook tonight, can they with a straight face overlook it in combination to the end of the game that got KC there?  Or even the end of that game itself, that caused #nflrigged to trend on Twitter and the making of numerous videos talking about the subject(and Goodell even being forced to address it, as I predicted!! Had no idea his reply would be so brazen, though)? 

I half-joked earlier that some would less begrudgingly admit Gov Ventura and many others were telling the truth and the establishment portion of the establishment parties were for the most part an act that worked together for the moneyed interests that got/kept them there and that their vote was a meaningless joke to appease the simple(and an excuse that allows anything to happen), than they could admit the NFL was rigged now(even allowing the fact the legal definition was changed recently, and it could have been face value previously).

I might have tried to fit too much into one sentence to try to get folks to consider as much of what's involved as possible, but do you think it's at all plausible some fans might care more about the latter than the former?  Does the fact some on here prefer only to observe the latter and have to former kept out of their site lend any credence to that possibility in some?  I'd like to avoid any and all judgment until plausibility for my half joke can be established, but if it can, society might benefit from some self reflection over the implications of such.  I certainly think it's not only plausible, but likely, because even if politics were not rigged entertainment/distraction, many still feel their vote is a relatively worthless measure in terms of giving them a voice in relation to those who rule over them.

[StraightJ]

Taken in isolation, each of the many events is much easier to write off.  It's this way in much of life, and what those in power want you to do.  I've benefited from the reminders from Dr Shiva Ayyadurai (inventor of e-mail[at age 14!!], scientist, etc) and his focus on "systems" approach rather than looking at things in isolation..

(SIDE NOTE about special guest to my post): BTW, the "Twitter Bombshells"??  Dr Shiva took the government and Twitter to court over election fraud, and gave Tucker Carlson and several others this information 2 years ago....and it was not reported until recently, apparently in some last ditch mitigation attempt that distracts from the main point that the backdoor portal is still open and and Musk is waiting on Elizabeth Warren to make it legal.   In short, the media does not care about you, and is entertainment and distraction, what theyre allowed/directed to tell you.

I suppose for most casual fans who follow only one team that it's easier not to notice the tomfoolery league-wide over the season, but for others I encourage you not to take all of the growing number of anomolies as isolated events as you make your own internal evaluations.

Look, I still enjoy the NFL  I do not know or claim it is AS rigged as wrestling(despite same legal definition) or establishment politics(or other "reality" TV shows), but  either way you can continue to be entertained by it, and without shame, without having to compromise your integrity to prop up a monolith that mints double digit billions per year.  For any governed by the opinions of others, it would seem logical you have more to lose by denying all "influence" and believing everything at face than by silently admitting you were entertained by something that was not pure. 

 

*I will try to find that video entitled something like "Stephen A goes off on Green Bay", but wasn't successful last I tried.  I just realized date was likely either 10/28 or 10/31/22 for any interested with better youtube sear3ch skills than myself.

[Woody]

 

[StraightJ]

@jamsim67 some folks believe some unfounded things about me.   Changing belief systems, it has been written, can be seemed as a form of psyhcologcal violence or terrorism.  It's probably more so for those with a more rigid approach.  When I recall this, I like to take a step back for a moment, at least.

Between you and I, the establishment class has taken great effort to work the NFL into culture(as a marketing, conditioning, governing tool).  I don't think even TWD is in reality as uncaring as he sometimes teens to want to look, so what I am asking both rhetorically and looking for answers is "what, if anything, is necessary to abandon if one concludes NFL games at least at times "influenced" by things outside of the game?

I don't know that I come up with anything immediately.

 

Also between you and I, can we agree that it is more organic/natural than establishment politics/media? 

 

While I may not be an expert on pornography, it seems there is a market for that which is amateur, even to the point some will be marketed as such when it is in fact not.  Considering WHY such a market exists may be a key to understanding matters related to the belief in organic NFL/politics/media, etc.  It seems clear there is a strong psychological and possibly even psychosomatic element in play.   

With a percentage of folks, such talk is likely counterproductive to spreading truth(think Alex Jones effect), and either way it is not my intention(and I do not believe yours) to bother folks the way deicated/systemic trolls on here do with their ongoing, pragmatic(sickeningly, IMO) campaigns.  Observe some of them, and consider if we wish to even unintenionally have that effect on some.  This is a large portion of why I stayed away over a year(though I will admit the initial reason was less pure and a personal reaction to something that happened). 

I think ut's probbaly useful to periodically with any message recall why we are sharing it.  If it ever becomes tainted by the ego, I think the risk increases of having an outcome different, or even the opposite of our intention.  With TrueTerrorist systemically trying to defame those who give light to "occulted" truth, I'd prefer not to give he/she reason to believe his/her words are anything other than the intended defamation they are.  I'd guess your name is less defamed than mine on here, and has greater potential for good, and would prefer you maintain it.  I can be satisfied quietly living vicariously through your deeds.  As such, I'd probably be wise to stop agreeing with you(it sucks to have such a realization, especially having typed this much, "lol".    Ugggh, I should get off of here ans stop using this to blunt the effects of what we've allowed our societies to become.  I am not a role model.

[StraightJ]

If anyone cares, MMA(UFC 282:Błachowicz vs Ankalaev) and boxing (Wilder vs Fury I, though to a somewhat lesser amount) are events that for me personally question whether they are "influenced.  The former seems blatant, 1 component of the latter seems other-worldly, followed by the next component more similar but possibly less blatant than the first.  I still urge anyone who likes boxing at all and who is not familiar with the outcome to watch that match.  Taken at face value, it was one of the most amazing performances I've seen in sport, something a parent could teach children multiple lessons from.

 

Away from the thread subject and piggybacking on that last sentence, one of my final experiences with @junglesouljah [pbuh] was watching UFC 237.  The main event featured Rose Namajunas and Jéssica Andrade, and gave me a deep appreciation of female athletes, in the UFC in particular.   In my opinion, a parent could use that match to impart at least one life lesson to a child, if they wished to.  It's part of my inspiration to subjecting myself to in-game spiritual warfare in the shoutbox, which I just realized I now have to decide if I am finally going to retire from, as I announced a few years ago(unrelated to sports entertainment) that being a sports fan would seemingly weaken one's inner being, if you consider the "as above, so below" model..  Being a "fan" is not logical.    (that message is something seemingly lost by some of the sports analysts on here that espouse almost nothing but derision towards the team they allege to be fans of.  I think a conclusive essay could be written about why such are not fans, even if they are the purposeful trolls who clearly are not fans.  A good sports writer could write an excellent article on the subject, however it would work against the existence of their profession, at least in the current prevailing business model).

 

 

I think even as adult fans or just people in general, that bout may be useful for examining our own word usage and thought processes when using things like "deserved to win"/"should have won".   If it helps anyone see why I sometimes seem "really into" whatever, you can see I'm often relating to more than just the face sporting event, and acknowledge at times my focus on the actual words becomes more important than what someone possibly intended.

[thinwhiteduke]

The Bills are building a new stadium. That's why the team's been in playoffs these recent years.

I do think the numbers point at them going next year. Maybe not win though. 

Next year is the 50 year anniversary of OJ Simpson 2000 plus, yrd season. And he came from San Fran.

I think that's the SB next year. They are already pushing the niners are pissed narrative. 

But you are right to question everything else as you have. 

No one wants an army,. Navy cloud of dust game. At least something like the 80s.

Brady would have retired a decade ago if this were real

 

[thinwhiteduke]

Something to think about.

Brady is gone. He's not important unto himself. Simply a tool for the league.

But his numerology was somehow significant in keeping the Bills from succeeding. Well, the Bills are building a new stadium and he's gone. Allegedly. 

The Bills door is open. 

Remember the Bills ugly uniforms with the shoulder and side stripes...

2001, patriots win first SB in new uniforms. The following season. Bills start wearing a carbon copy with side panels. AND A FUCKING SILVER STRIPE IN THEIR HELMET ( silver like Patriots) why the fuck would buffalo need silver in the helmet? And for the most part they've been the same color scheme as Pats.

Now, Brady leaves Pats and pats go to simple stripes like the Bills uniforms. NOW THE BILLS ARE WINNING.

the uniforms aren't why. They are simply identifiers. 

Example, a few teams went to black alternates this year, Including the host Cardinals. = Two black QBs end up in super bowl. 

Titans go to a blue helmet with silver and white down the middle. Rams vs Patriots in SB. 

 

 

[thinwhiteduke]

7 hours ago, jamsim67 said:

And they officially anointed Mahomes as the new Brady. sports entertainment baby

 

They didn't necessarily do THAT.

 

[Victor7]

Told ya all that Cheffers would 100% have an effect on the game. 

He's the flag leader every season. He's also a complete idiot. What in the hell was the league thinking. 

 

[SackMan518]

1 hour ago, Victor7 said:

Told ya all that Cheffers would 100% have an effect on the game. 

He's the flag leader every season. He's also a complete idiot. What in the hell was the league thinking. 

 

It's weird because usually Cheffers nails the Chiefs but last night must have had his marching orders from the league because I didn't see any game changing penalties called against KC. I did think it was weird how the refs were holding up the game to let substitutions come in which I don't recall seeing all year. Hell, one of the advantages of the no huddle offense was to get the opposing team stuck in whatever defensive package they had on the field and be unable to swap out players unless they called a timeout, faked an injury, or something that stopped the clock like a penalty were called.