Fire Beane and McDermott

[HipKat]

3 hours ago, daryls61 said:

Bills had the number 2 offense in NFL and Allen was awful today. 

The entire team played like they never saw snow before. 

 

[daryls61]

1 minute ago, HipKat said:

The entire team played like they never saw snow before. 

 

This is a good point. 

[HipKat]

33 minutes ago, Zan186 said:

Bengals also had Burrow do down his rookie year for the season, finished in the bottom and thus a really good team was able to draft a blue chip wr in Jamar Chase.  

Head Coach makes critical decisions, the basic play of the Defense and Offense is by the Coordinators.  

Bills for the most part have speed rushers on the outside and a tweaner DT in Oliver in the middle.  Snow makes turf slippery and that takes away speed and skill and allows bigger slow fat guys to look like All pro linemen!

Bills traded for Diggs, and picked up Beasley as well in FA....then Drafted Gabe Davis and Shakir.   I don't think it is the problem...the problem is the O line is terrible.  Saffold is elite run blocking, but sucks as Pass protection, Morris is really good pass protection but can get no push run blocking.

Singletary is a good scat back but is the same kind of player as Cook.....Moss was also just like the other two.  Hines is just like Cook.  We need a big power back that with a small seam can get 5 yards a carry.

Defense is built for a dome not a winter game.  Not having Daquan Jones in this game and a injured Phillips kind of hurt our ability to control the line of scrimage.   Thought Settle would of been more dominant up front but he got pushed around out there.

Defensive Coordinator will not adjust out of the nickle.  I think last year and this year was it....now I think 2023 is going to be rough especially if we lose Edmunds and Poyer.  Personally I think Edmunds is a good LB to keep because he is young and versatile.  However I think Poyer is on the downside with age and injuries.

Tre White is not looking very good....he has become very "handsy" getting a lot of penalties.  Now we have Von Miller eating up huge salary and we won't see him until around Thanksgiving next year due to ACL tear.

Bills need to draft a RB that is big and runs down hill fast.  Robinson seems ideal, and if we can't get Robinson the draft the O'cyrus guard and a RB in round two (Zach is also a big RB.

Spot on and I'll add, the Nickel/Soft Zone is NOT a defense you play against top-flight Wide-outs. It's a defense designed to allow short passes for short gains, but guys like Chase have too much speed for containment. The FEW times they played man, they actually covered well.

Since Frazier has kept Buffalo's D highly rated, he has this illusion that he's a good DC, but his refusal to make adjustments to the opponent in game and pre-game are enough. He has to go.

Dorsey is WAY out of his league. And they both need to be replaced with competent, creative coordinators that understand the game and their players strengths, not promoting positional coaches.

And Josh needs to spend the entire off-season with Jordan Palmer. He was VERY erratic this year.

Watching Burrows and Mahomes, et al run their offenses, you can see they have confidence in the play. Allen plays frantically with most plays looking like they're run with a prayer and a dream of success.

And PLEASE get us a RB that smash through tackles

[RichJ]

4 hours ago, Nuke said:

That’s why I’m torn. This is McDermott’s ceiling, playoffs, never anything more. Am I willing to trade playoff heartbreak for the Dick Jauron years?

No thanks

McD is dependent on his OC to know what he's doing.  Dorsey is a rookie when it comes to game planning and GameDay adjustments. Allen made Dorsey look better than he is. We have talent that Dorsey has no clue what to do with.

This O is not built for bad weather if you are a PASS PASS PASS offense. Being dependent solely on the deep ball is not good in bad weather. 

I'd keep him and have him build an all pro OL. 

Not sure what to do with Frazier. His D is soft. Lacks killer instinct. Our DL depends on coverage sacks . They need the dbs to give them time to get to the qb just rushing 4. Problem us our dbs took a few leaps back this year. Burrow ate them up with the quick throw and our dl couldn't do anything. 

[jamsim67]

4 hours ago, whorlnut said:

At the very least, Frazier needs fired before he leaves the stadium…

I wouldn't be surprised if he retires

 

[jamsim67]

4 hours ago, Nuke said:

That’s why I’m torn. This is McDermott’s ceiling, playoffs, never anything more. Am I willing to trade playoff heartbreak for the Dick Jauron years?

No thanks

Didn't Dick Jauron win 4 in a row, got a multi-year package deal and immediately losttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt?

I remember the Bill's having to go to Green Bay, and he said we just want to come back healthy. You can't make this shit up.

[jamsim67]

4 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

This Oline is worse than 2 years ago. Dorsey could easily take away that deep pass and should’ve.

Dorsey was not ready to be the OC. They didn't even interview anybody, just gave him the job. Someone said Allen wanted him. If true, Allen is not the coach of this team.

But having said that, the OL was terrible. They couldn't protect, couldn't open up holes for the RB's. Season's over ...

 

[jamsim67]

5 hours ago, Nuke said:

He need to be protected and not have to run for his life the second after the ball is snapped. Maybe more than one option at WR might help too

They needed to be able to run the ball. Being able to run the ball takes a lot of pressure off the QB. You can't count on your QB throwing the ball for 300 plus yards. You need to be able to run the ball as well. An offensive line that can open up holes would have gone miles in helping Josh throw for over 200. I've talked about balance since day one. Would have been nice had they had some of that today. A waste of a season. 

This team should be built for the winter month's. I blame the GM and the coaches, they looked out of their element. They've had 3 years to fix this, and they've done nothing but waste high draft picks on the defensive line, to play for a defensive coordinator who can't even get mediocrity out of them. Frasier needs to retire, because this organization will not fire him.

And as for Dorsey, he should never have been promoted. he wasn't ready. Again, you give your starting QB millions to be the guy, and you surround him with dollar store nonsense. They lost, because they just can't seem to put themselves in the best position to win. And that begins with the coaching staff.

I'm over it, but this shit will happen each and every year until this organization gets serious about installing the right pieces to the puzzle.

[RichJ]

All we've been doing lately is trying to throw deep. That's not on Josh. That's on the OC. I love Josh but he's no Peyton Manning. We need an OC who can call the right plays when a D attempts to dictate to you what to do. Dorsey just had no answer and if he did ,he didn't communicate it to Allen well like his mentor/predecessor did.