Lest you think I'm making up how concerned the LGBTQ community is right now...

[HipKat]

7 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Ok, but the teacher is correct and the parent is not in this scenario.  Right?  It IS okay to be gay.  Surely you can't be saying it's GOOD that a parent can simply lie to their kid and say "being gay is wrong" and let that be the end of it, are you?

STOP implying that parents are telling their kids it's wrong to be gay. The very RARE times that happens are just that rare! This is your epic fail in this entire conversation, this weird fucking belief that parents are systematically and regularly telling their kids that it's wrong to be gay/trans, etc

[ICRockets2]

3 hours ago, HipKat said:

Why the FUCK would you push for kids to go to ANYONE else other than their parents and wtf is your deal with this insistence that parents don't listen to their kids? Again, using exceptions as rules.

 

SOME parents will either beat, disown, or murder their kids if they're told they're gay or trans.  Gay or trans kids in those households need someone else to talk to because they can't tell their parents.  I don't know what the fuck your obsession with this "using exceptions as rules" talking point is.  It's important to think about worst case scenarios for vulnerable people and find ways to give them alternatives to being forcefed into them via social chokepoint.  All you're really saying when you bleat "usINg eXcePTions UsInG ExCeptIONS wAaAaAaAaAaA" is that you don't care if some people die as long as they're faggots.

 

[Angry Byrds]

10 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Ok, but the teacher is correct and the parent is not in this scenario.  Right?  It IS okay to be gay.  Surely you can't be saying it's GOOD that a parent can simply lie to their kid and say "being gay is wrong" and let that be the end of it, are you?

So then we as a society owe it to that kid to make sure there are spaces where he can learn the truth.  We can't guarantee he'll be allowed to access them, but we need to create them anyway.

There is no need to discuss it unless a child brings it up lol. A teacher should say discuss it with your parents. Holy shit what a concept.  And yes I’m saying it’s wrong to allow a 7 year old boy to dress like a girl. It didn’t happen when I was a child or when my parents were children and no elementary school students were committing suicide over it. More will commit suicide over the confusion between the child the teacher and the parent. Your concern doesn’t seem to be for the child but more for your agenda. You care about .1% of kids that age committing suicide because the teacher doesn’t say anything over the higher percentage of kids who would commit suicide because the parent says no you’re not wearing a dress to school just because you’re teacher said it was ok. I would never have let my son wear a dress to school until he was old enough to know exactly what he was doing. 6 through 9 is not that age. 99.9% parents would agree. It’s only the people without kids pushing this.

[ICRockets2]

Just now, HipKat said:

this weird fucking belief that parents are systematically and regularly telling their kids that it's wrong to be gay/trans, etc

Where did I say that? 

[HipKat]

Just now, ICRockets2 said:

SOME parents will either beat, disown, or murder their kids if they're told they're gay or trans.  Gay or trans kids in those households need someone else to talk to because they can't tell their parents.  I don't know what the fuck your obsession with this "using exceptions as rules" talking point is.  It's important to think about worst case scenarios for vulnerable people and find ways to give them alternatives to being forcefed into them via social chokepoint.  All you're really saying when you bleat "usINg eXcePTions UsInG ExCeptIONS wAaAaAaAaAaA" is that you don't care if some people die as long as they're faggots.

 

Some parents will beat their kids for not finishing their dinner.

Are you going to chastize ALL parents for the actions of the few?

[ICRockets2]

Just now, Angry Byrds said:

There is no need to discuss it unless a child brings it up lol. A teacher should say discuss it with your parents. Holy shit what a concept. 

What if the teacher says "discuss it with your parents" and the kid is beaten to death or kicked out of the house?  Is your position "oh well, the parent had a right to murder that faggot"?

[HipKat]

1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

Where did I say that? 

In every post, pretty much. 

[ICRockets2]

3 hours ago, HipKat said:

It's a fact. How can you describe the taste of a steak if you've never had a steak? You can read all about it and hear other people's descriptions but until you have a bite of a perfectly cooked steak, you just can't know.

 

What sort of policy is being crafted around the flavor of a steak?

[HipKat]

Just now, ICRockets2 said:

What if the teacher says "discuss it with your parents" and the kid is beaten to death or kicked out of the house?  Is your position "oh well, the parent had a right to murder that faggot"?

STFU, you can apply What if to any situation. You use the What If as if that's what always happens.

[HipKat]

Just now, ICRockets2 said:

What sort of policy is being crafted around the flavor of a steak?

Please throat punch yourself and see if it knocks some of the stupid out of you

[ICRockets2]

3 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

They want teachers to tell children that their parents are wrong and that they are right. 

No.  We want teachers to teach true things.  That does not mean you single out Jenny with the fundamentalist Christian mom and tell her mommy's a bigoted piece of shit.  You just teach the truth.  Gay people exist.  Trans people exist.  It's okay to be gay.  It's okay to be trans.  If you meet a gay person or a trans person you should be nice to them just like you should be nice to everybody else.  

That's it.  It's that simple.

[ICRockets2]

2 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

Most kids that age can’t even pick their own clothes out. 

My nephew is 2 and he manages it just fine.

[ICRockets2]

9 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Some parents will beat their kids for not finishing their dinner.

Are you going to chastize ALL parents for the actions of the few?

No, but I'm going to make sure there's a mechanism in place to get kids out of abusive homes.  That's why CPS exists.

[ICRockets2]

9 minutes ago, HipKat said:

In every post, pretty much. 

Then it will be easy to demonstrate this.  Go ahead.

[ICRockets2]

8 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Please throat punch yourself and see if it knocks some of the stupid out of you

You sure do like getting violent when you realize you've said stupid things

[Angry Byrds]

2 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

No.  We want teachers to teach true things.  That does not mean you single out Jenny with the fundamentalist Christian mom and tell her mommy's a bigoted piece of shit.  You just teach the truth.  Gay people exist.  Trans people exist.  It's okay to be gay.  It's okay to be trans.  If you meet a gay person or a trans person you should be nice to them just like you should be nice to everybody else.  

That's it.  It's that simple.

No, be nice to everyone. That’s all that needs to be said. Once they have a full grasp of sexuality at an older age then we can discuss with children what is acceptable and what isn’t. Be nice to others, don’t touch other and tell if someone touches you. That’s all that need to be said instead of opening the floor for more questions. There will always be religions and they aren’t going anywhere.

[ICRockets2]

9 minutes ago, HipKat said:

STFU, you can apply What if to any situation. You use the What If as if that's what always happens.

No I don't.  I consider the what-ifs because you have to do so in order to craft effective policy.  There need to be systems in place to account for them BEFORE they become relevant so that you're not just flailing in the wind caught unawares when they do.  

[ICRockets2]

9 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

No, be nice to everyone. That’s all that needs to be said. Once they have a full grasp of sexuality at an older age then we can discuss with children what is acceptable and what isn’t. Be nice to others, don’t touch other and tell if someone touches you. That’s all that need to be said instead of opening the floor for more questions. There will always be religions and they aren’t going anywhere.

Then we need to ban Disney movies where the prince and the princess kiss at the end.  If kids can't be socialized into accepting queerness, then that must mean it's also bad to socialize them into accepting straightness too.  Right?

[ICRockets2]

25 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

 And yes I’m saying it’s wrong to allow a 7 year old boy to dress like a girl. 

Why?

[Angry Byrds]

5 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Then we need to ban Disney movies where the prince and the princess kiss at the end.  If kids can't be socialized into accepting queerness, then that must mean it's also bad to socialize them into accepting straightness too.  Right?

No the parents decide what movies a child watches. Any more brain busters?

[HipKat]

23 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

My nephew is 2 and he manages it just fine.

Oh I'm so sure... smh

[HipKat]

21 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

No, but I'm going to make sure there's a mechanism in place to get kids out of abusive homes.  That's why CPS exists.

CPS has nothing to do with kids being Gay or Trans.

[HipKat]

21 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Then it will be easy to demonstrate this.  Go ahead.

Are you fucking kidding me?? Your ENTIRE PREMISE is based on parents causing kids to commit suicide because they bar them from being Gay/Trans.

 

[Angry Byrds]

9 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Why?

They are not old entropy decide that and not mature enough to cope with the consequences. “Sorry son you are not wearing a dress. If you don’t like the clothes we have for you then we can go shopping for clothes that are acceptable to both of us.”

[Angry Byrds]

1 minute ago, HipKat said:

Oh I'm so sure... smh

No way in hell