Lest you think I'm making up how concerned the LGBTQ community is right now...

[HipKat]

21 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

You sure do like getting violent when you realize you've said stupid things

Says the guy who regularly tells people to kill themsleves

[ICRockets2]

6 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

No the parents decide what movies a child watches. 

Avoiding the question.  

If it's bad to socialize kids into thinking it's okay to be gay too early, it's also bad to socialize kids into thinking it's okay to be straight too early.  Right?

[HipKat]

22 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

No I don't.  I consider the what-ifs because you have to do so in order to craft effective policy.  There need to be systems in place to account for them BEFORE they become relevant so that you're not just flailing in the wind caught unawares when they do.  

There are, CPS, right?? Isn't that what you said?? And you're moving the goalposts to "It's OK to be Gay/Trans" from "Kids who are 'AUTHENTICALLY' Trans when they're 10 need to take body altering drugs"

[HipKat]

1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

Avoiding the question.  

If it's bad to socialize kids into thinking it's okay to be gay too early, it's also bad to socialize kids into thinking it's okay to be straight too early.  Right?

Because STRAIGHT is normal. GAY is the exception. STRAIGHT sex/relationships are are by design how contraception, reproduction happens and is how that kid got here. GAY sex exists for one thing, pleasure. 

[ICRockets2]

7 minutes ago, HipKat said:

CPS has nothing to do with kids being Gay or Trans.

Good, so you agree that we need a different solution to protecting LGBT youth than the system we have in place to protect kids with parents who beat them for not eating enough.  

[HipKat]

Just now, ICRockets2 said:

Good, so you agree that we need a different solution to protecting LGBT youth than the system we have in place to protect kids with parents who beat them for not eating enough.  

Why?? If parents beat their kids for being gay/trans, isn't that abuse? Isn't that a case for your beloved CPS? Who, BTW, are the exact agencies teachers contact when they suspect abuse in lieu if directly involving themselves in the situation, by policy

[Angry Byrds]

41 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

SOME parents will either beat, disown, or murder their kids if they're told they're gay or trans.  Gay or trans kids in those households need someone else to talk to because they can't tell their parents.  I don't know what the fuck your obsession with this "using exceptions as rules" talking point is.  It's important to think about worst case scenarios for vulnerable people and find ways to give them alternatives to being forcefed into them via social chokepoint.  All you're really saying when you bleat "usINg eXcePTions UsInG ExCeptIONS wAaAaAaAaAaA" is that you don't care if some people die as long as they're faggots.

 

You’re not looking at worse case scenario either if you think it’s ok for anyone other than a parent to tell a 7 old that it’s ok to be a gay 7 year old or a heterosexual 7 year old for that matter. Is that teacher going to handle an irate parent?

[ICRockets2]

8 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Are you fucking kidding me?? Your ENTIRE PREMISE is based on parents causing kids to commit suicide because they bar them from being Gay/Trans.

 

That's one hell of a pivot.  Try again, champ.

[HipKat]

1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

That's one hell of a pivot.  Try again, champ.

No, that IS your premise. There's no pivot there. YOU think teachers are more equipped to deal with kids who have gender/sexuality issues than their parents. You think teachers have a responsibility to mentor or guide those kids outside of their parents attitudes about the kids, you use the exception as if it's the rule constantly and you have referenced kids committing suicide because of parents who don't accept their kids as it if it happens in most cases of kids being trans

[ICRockets2]

9 minutes ago, HipKat said:

There are, CPS, right?? Isn't that what you said?? And you're moving the goalposts to "It's OK to be Gay/Trans" from "Kids who are 'AUTHENTICALLY' Trans when they're 10 need to take body altering drugs"

I'm not moving the goalposts if I believe both of those things.

[LIBills]

5 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Because STRAIGHT is normal. GAY is the exception. STRAIGHT sex/relationships are are by design how contraception, reproduction happens and is how that kid got here. GAY sex exists for one thing, pleasure. 

Wait a minute?????

I thought being gay was normal???

Well, at least to the homos in here, being gay IS normal. 🤣

[ICRockets2]

7 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Because STRAIGHT is normal. GAY is the exception. 

Ah so THAT'S what you mean by "treating the exception as the rule".

You just don't want LGBT youth to have happy childhoods.  You WANT them to feel like outcasts.

[ICRockets2]

2 minutes ago, HipKat said:

YOU think teachers are more equipped to deal with kids who have gender/sexuality issues than their parents. 

No. I think it's better for LGBT youth who DO have the misfortune of having parents who are ill-equipped for helping them navigate that unique challenge to have someone they can talk to besides said ill-equipped parents, and I recognize that it's better to create those spaces for them before they're needed than it is to wait until after when for SOME of them- THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR FUCKING OWN- find out they shouldn't have trusted their parents when it's too late to put the genie back in the bottle.

[ICRockets2]

6 minutes ago, HipKat said:

You think teachers have a responsibility to mentor or guide those kids 

Eh, no not really.  I just think it's bad to tell the teachers who want to that they're legally barred from doing so.

[Angry Byrds]

1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

No. I think it's better for LGBT youth who DO have the misfortune of having parents who are ill-equipped for helping them navigate that unique challenge to have someone they can talk to besides said ill-equipped parents, and I recognize that it's better to create those spaces for them before they're needed than it is to wait until after when for SOME of them- THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR FUCKING OWN- find out they shouldn't have trusted their parents when it's too late to put the genie back in the bottle.

Yup 6th grade is the perfect grade for that. Sex Ed and so on and so forth 

[ICRockets2]

Just now, Angry Byrds said:

Yup 6th grade is the perfect grade for that. Sex Ed and so on and so forth 

So what if you're a gay 4th grader?  You just have to spend 2 years thinking there's something wrong with you?

[ICRockets2]

Just say what you guys really think: you WANT society to hide the fact that it's okay to be gay or trans from LGBT youth because you're more comfortable when they're in the closet.

[Angry Byrds]

5 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

So what if you're a gay 4th grader?  You just have to spend 2 years thinking there's something wrong with you?

I feel like most 4th graders aren’t sure yet. But I will tell you for sure that 99.9% of fathers are going to have a big problem with a teacher telling THEIR child it’s ok to wear dress. Yeah, don’t listen to your parents.

[Angry Byrds]

6 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Just say what you guys really think: you WANT society to hide the fact that it's okay to be gay or trans from LGBT youth because you're more comfortable when they're in the closet.

I’m definitely more comfortable with me parenting my kids and teaching them the birds and the bees. Thanks for offering though 

[ICRockets2]

1 minute ago, Angry Byrds said:

I feel like most 4th graders aren’t sure yet. But I will tell you for sure that 99.9% of fathers are going to have a big problem with a teacher telling THEIR child it’s ok to wear dress. Yeah, don’t listen to your parents.

But it is okay for girls to wear dresses, and some kids who were assigned male at birth are girls.  Why is it wrong for them to wear dresses?

[LIBills]

1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

But it is okay for girls to wear dresses, and some kids who were assigned male at birth are girls.  Why is it wrong for them to wear dresses?

You wanna a kid to get his ass kicked for wearing a dress??

Kids are brutal. 

[ICRockets2]

2 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

I feel like most 4th graders aren’t sure yet.

What about the ones who are?  What about the girl who watches The Little Mermaid and thinks Ariel is pretty and couldn't give the tiniest sliver of a shit about Prince Eric?  What about the boy who watches Pocahontas and crushes on John Smith?  

Face it, pal.  You want those kids to be in the closet.  You don't want them to be openly LGBT.  You don't want them to know ANYONE is openly LGBT.

[Angry Byrds]

1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

But it is okay for girls to wear dresses, and some kids who were assigned male at birth are girls.  Why is it wrong for them to wear dresses?

It’s not if the parents say it’s not. Man I feel like I’m repeating myself. Also a teacher is definitely not equipped to council a child on their sexuality.

[Very Wide Right]

32 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Avoiding the question.  

If it's bad to socialize kids into thinking it's okay to be gay too early, it's also bad to socialize kids into thinking it's okay to be straight too early.  Right?

Dude you are pure poison to a civilized society.

[ICRockets2]

1 minute ago, Angry Byrds said:

Also a teacher is definitely not equipped to council a child on their sexuality.

Some are.