Russian President Vladimir Putin signs expanded anti-LGBTQ+ law

[shiva2999]

2 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

I’m sure you would be ok with that too. Ok you’re allowed to be gay but…?

it's been legalized in Russia since 1993.

No gay marriage though.

Does that mean they deserve your hatred? 

Because Ivan and Igor can't get married?

[f8ta1ity54]

2 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

What exactly does "it" refer to?

So, you're okay with LGBTQ people, but if the country they live in has laws against/discriminate against LGBTQ people you're okay with it?

You aren't a leftist.

[micknaboz]

3 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

So, you're okay with LGBTQ people, but if the country they live in has laws against/discriminate against LGBTQ people you're okay with it?

You aren't a leftist.

Of course he's not a leftist. It's all an act with him. You should have been following him at the Zone he was a full blown right wing Trump acolyte over there. That's his real self.

[shiva2999]

51 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

So, you're okay with LGBTQ people, but if the country they live in has laws against/discriminate against LGBTQ people you're okay with it?

You aren't a leftist.

I'm not a "leftist" because my heart doesn't flamboyantly bleed for those poor, oppressed LGBTQ victims of the patriarchy? Boo hoo hoo.

Mince on, soy boy.

[ICRockets2]

38 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

I'm not a "leftist" because my heart doesn't flamboyantly bleed for those poor, oppressed LGBTQ victims of the patriarchy?

Correct.  Yes.  

[Angry Byrds]

4 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

What exactly does "it" refer to?

I posted “it” for you don’t play stupid. Are you for or against freedom of expression? This isn’t hard

[Angry Byrds]

4 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

it's been legalized in Russia since 1993.

No gay marriage though.

Does that mean they deserve your hatred? 

Because Ivan and Igor can't get married?

That’s basic human rights dummy.

[Angry Byrds]

I love how Hero still doesn’t know what to say so he just gives a thumbs up to his pappy.

[Angry Byrds]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

I'm not a "leftist" because my heart doesn't flamboyantly bleed for those poor, oppressed LGBTQ victims of the patriarchy? Boo hoo hoo.

Mince on, soy boy.

You must be ok with Iran executing gays because “that’s just how they do things there, and if I don’t like it I shouldn’t go”. Hero “Just because we don’t kill LGBTQ in the west doesn’t mean it’s not ok for other countries”.

[ICRockets2]

3 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

You must be ok with Iran executing gays because “that’s just how they do things there, and if I don’t like it I shouldn’t go”. Hero “Just because we don’t kill LGBTQ in the west doesn’t mean it’s not ok for other countries”.

Ok I'm really excited for the next time we have a back and forth around here.  This is passionate humanitarian advocacy that I super, super respect and knowing that at the core of who you are you care about a noble cause is going to make discussing areas we seemingly disagree about really fulfilling.  

[shiva2999]

4 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

You must be ok with Iran executing gays because “that’s just how they do things there, and if I don’t like it I shouldn’t go”. Hero “Just because we don’t kill LGBTQ in the west doesn’t mean it’s not ok for other countries”.

So basically you're claiming that all countries that aren't as woke as America are your mortal enemies and deserve to be forced by threat of death and destruction to be more liberal.

"Be nicer or we'll kill you."

Or to make it sound classier...

"Esto melior vel te occidere te."

 

 

 

 

[ICRockets2]

40 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

So basically you're claiming that all countries that aren't as woke as America are your mortal enemies and deserve to be forced by threat of death and destruction to be more liberal.

"Be nicer or we'll kill you."

Or to make it sound classier...

"Esto melior vel te occidere te."

 

 

 

 

This is indistinguishable from the attitudes expressed by antisemites like Charles Lindbergh in the 30's and 40's to discourage entry into World War II.  

Avoiding violence and achieving protections for LGBT people across the globe via diplomatic operations would be awesome, but SOMETIMES things are going to get bad enough that we need to wave the rock above their heads until they submit.  

[HipKat]

9 hours ago, micknaboz said:

Of course he's not a leftist. It's all an act with him. You should have been following him at the Zone he was a full blown right wing Trump acolyte over there. That's his real self.

He was like that when he first got here, and that's why I've had his dumb ass on ignore since then

[shiva2999]

3 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

This is indistinguishable from the attitudes expressed by antisemites like Charles Lindbergh in the 30's and 40's to discourage entry into World War II.  

Avoiding violence and achieving protections for LGBT people across the globe via diplomatic operations would be awesome, but SOMETIMES things are going to get bad enough that we need to wave the rock above their heads until they submit.  

1. Absolutely an utterly unsupported smear.

2. And who is it that gets to decide it's the "sometime" when violence is called for? You?

[ICRockets2]

6 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

2. And who is it that gets to decide it's the "sometime" when violence is called for? You?

Yeah fucking obviously I'm going to say it should be someone with as close to identical values to my own as possible.  Are you so fucking retarded that your political advocacy ends in "golly gosh jeepers I sure hope people I disagree with are in charge of decisions I care about"?

[shiva2999]

48 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Yeah fucking obviously I'm going to say it should be someone with as close to identical values to my own as possible.  

Why a stand in? What's wrong with you? Why can't you be the sword of righteousness that saves humanity from the evil doers?

[LIBills]

A USA soccer commentator died in Qatar. His brother said he was murdered because, he, his brother is gay.

If true, kinda puts into light about how forthcoming we are in this country to the gay community, while countries like Qatar remain centuries behind in their thinking.

IF TRUE.

But pussies and sissies will continue to cry and whine about how bad America is.

[Angry Byrds]

6 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

So basically you're claiming that all countries that aren't as woke as America are your mortal enemies and deserve to be forced by threat of death and destruction to be more liberal.

"Be nicer or we'll kill you."

Or to make it sound classier...

"Esto melior vel te occidere te."

 

Who said anything about violence? I can disagree without wanting to harm someone. You on the other hand seem to be ok with anything Putin does, and it’s kind of creepy. I don’t trust any politicians. In some cases I feel the US should do more to defend human rights, but don’t worry we won’t ask the Canadians to help.

And it’s not about wokeness it’s about equality for all. You probably feel that women should stand in their own line at Starbucks.

 

 

 

[f8ta1ity54]

9 minutes ago, LIBills said:

A USA soccer commentator died in Qatar. His brother said he was murdered because, he, his brother is gay.

If true, kinda puts into light about how forthcoming we are in this country to the gay community, while countries like Qatar remain centuries behind in their thinking.

IF TRUE.

But pussies and sissies will continue to cry and whine about how bad America is.

Do you like how religious fundamentalist groups run a country? Because that's exactly what the Christian nationalists will bring to this country. What will you say when the US government is doing the same thing? 

[shiva2999]

42 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

Who said anything about violence? I can disagree without wanting to harm someone. You on the other hand seem to be ok with anything Putin does, and it’s kind of creepy.  

Just because I analyze world events dispassionately doesn't make my opinions partisan.

I have no skin in the game other than the possibility of global financial disaster and nuclear war, and me wagging my finger isn't going to change that.

I don't tailor my opinions around a personal agenda and I don't use character assassination to win arguments.

Why would I have to? I'm smarter and more principled than all of you to begin with.

All criticism of me is just "I hate you daddy!" crap.

[Angry Byrds]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

Just because I analyze world events dispassionately doesn't make my opinions partisan.

I have no skin in the game other than the possibility of global financial disaster and nuclear war, and me wagging my finger isn't going to change that.

I don't tailor my opinions around a personal agenda and I don't use character assassination to win arguments.

Why would I have to? I'm smarter and more principled than all of you to begin with.

All criticism of me is just "I hate you daddy!" crap.

You haven’t won many arguments period, and you still didn’t answer the question. You’re not that smart either because you clearly don’t know when to shut your mouth. You love Russia and they can do no wrong in your mind. You have proven that.

[shiva2999]

7 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

You haven’t won many arguments period, and you still didn’t answer the question. You’re not that smart either because you clearly don’t know when to shut your mouth. You love Russia and they can do no wrong in your mind. You have proven that.

What I've proven is you're a partisan who isn't interested in any sort of dispassionate analysis.

Obviously this is an emotional issue for you.

Is it possible your family hails from the region?

[f8ta1ity54]

2 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

What I've proven is you're a partisan who isn't interested in any sort of dispassionate analysis.

Obviously this is an emotional issue for you.

Is it possible your family hails from the region?

So what you're are saying is you are non-partisan when it comes to the human rights of anyone other than yourself?

[shiva2999]

Oh, and for those of you that think this absurdly dangerous nonsense is some sort of leftist crusade, read what the WORLD SOCIALIST WEB SITE has to say about it...

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/07/pers-d07.html

 

Drone attacks on Russian airbases: A major escalation in the war authored in Washington

 

Chris Marsden

7 December 2022

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Yesterday’s drone attack on an airfield in Kursk marks a major escalation in NATO’s war against Russia. It comes just one day after Russia accused Kiev of launching drone attacks on two military airfields deep inside its territory.

There were no casualties from the attack, 62 miles from the Ukrainian border. But a major fire erupted after oil tankers thought to have been hit burned for 10 hours and covered almost 5,500 square feet.

The location of the attacks and their implementation points once again to the direct involvement of the United States.

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The latest attacks deep inside Russian territory could have been orchestrated by sections of the US military, intelligence and political elite pushing for such an outcome—no matter how potentially disastrous the outcome of such brinksmanship might be.

Commenting on the attacks, The New York Times wrote that there is “little room for Russia to escalate” in response. It quoted Mick Ryan, a retired Australian Army officer, who said of Ukraine’s attacks, “It is not, as some are sure to claim, an escalation. But it is a necessary political and military measure for Ukraine to limit the humanitarian harm of Russia’s brutal drone and missile attacks.”

This statement is absurd. Ukraine’s attacks, coordinated with the United States, are a major escalation of the war. The United States, having instigated and provoked a war that has killed tens of thousands of Ukrainians, has crossed not only Russia’s “red lines,” but its own.

Every time the United States has claimed it would not do something in Ukraine, it has then gone ahead and done it. 

...more...

 

 

 

[shiva2999]

6 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

So what you're are saying is you are non-partisan when it comes to the human rights of anyone other than yourself?

No, I am not saying that.

Try another insinuation.