f8ta1ity54 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 You know, If someone asked me "Has Russia ever done anything wrong?", this would be one of those obvious things I could point to. Russian President Vladimir Putin signs expanded anti-LGBTQ+ law - CBS News Russian President Vladimir Putin signed expanded anti-LGBTQ+ legislation on Monday. The law was originally introduced by the lower house of Russia's legislature in October, and banned so-called "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" for both adults and minors, said a statement by the State Duma. The original bill passed both the lower and upper chambers of Russian legislature before being signed into law by Putin. All positive depictions of the LGBTQ+ community in literature, film, television, online, and more will now be illegal in Russia. "The initiatives propose punishment for the promotion and justification of non-traditional sexual relations in the media, the Internet, literature and cinema," the statement from the State Duma read, describing the imposition of intimidating fines against individuals, organizations and businesses that the State deems as violating the new legislation. The fines range from 100,000 to 4 million rubles, or roughly $1,660 to $66,000. Non-Russian citizens would face expulsion from the country should they be found in violation of the law. The law was authored by Chairman of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin, who said in the State Duma statement, "We have traditions, a conscience, an understanding that we need to think about children, families, the country, and preserve what our parents have passed on to us," while citing data that shows increased numbers of people who identify as LGBTQ+ in Europe and the U.S. "We must do everything to protect our children and those who want to live a normal life. Everything else is sin, sodomy, darkness, and our country is fighting this," he said. The law has been denounced by many activists and political figures, including U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who called it a "serious blow to freedom of expression and the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons in Russia" in Tweet last month after the proposed law passed unanimously through the lower court. This new piece of legislation builds on a 2013 Russian law that banned the so-called "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" to children specifically. The new law now includes adults as well. Shortly before the State Duma approved the 2013 legislation in a 436-0 vote, people protesting the bill's passing were attacked by those with anti-LGBTQ+ viewpoints before being detained by police. Though Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, amendments to the Russian Constitution in 2020 banned LGBTQ+ unions in the country — an action that was declared a human rights violation by the European Court of Human Rights. Putin has even previously said that Russia must "cleanse" itself of homosexuality. Russia has also been criticized in recent years for its treatment of LGBTQ+ people in Chechnya, whose mayor denounced homosexuality in 2017, stating "We don't have those kinds of people here." Chechen members of the LGBTQ+ community have accused police in the Russian republic of kidnapping and torture. While the Kremlin has not yet announced Putin's signature on this latest anti-LGBTQ+ legislation, it was shown on a copy of the measure published on the State Duma website, according to the Associated Press. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Wrong or just not western? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Herodotus said: Wrong or just not western? You tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 19 hours ago, Herodotus said: Wrong or just not western? 19 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said: You tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 America could always offer immediate citizenship to all gay Russians who wish to escape the pogroms. 2 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: America could always offer immediate citizenship to all gay Russians who wish to escape the pogroms. Agreed. Who was it that said they'd turn away Russian men fleeing mobilization? Finland and Kazakhstan? Despicable policy. Absolutely indefensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Agreed. Who was it that said they'd turn away Russian men fleeing mobilization? Finland and Kazakhstan? Despicable policy. Absolutely indefensible. Won't America take them? 1 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 30 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: America could always offer immediate citizenship to all gay Russians who wish to escape the pogroms. @Herodotus is that the right thing to do, or just a western thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: @Herodotus is that the right thing to do, or just a western thing? Ordinarily you'd suspect that Russia would send KGB operatives pretending to be gay to infiltrate America but they just can't find anyone willing to take it up the ass for the Kremlin. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 Just now, shiva2999 said: Ordinarily you'd suspect that Russia would send KGB operatives pretending to be gay to infiltrate America but they just can't find anyone willing to take it up the ass for the Kremlin. I just want him to elaborate on his hot take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/7/2022 at 12:04 PM, Herodotus said: Wrong or just not western? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 4 hours ago, shiva2999 said: Won't America take them? I would certainly hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: I would certainly hope so. The more, the merrier! Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 On 12/7/2022 at 12:04 PM, Herodotus said: Wrong or just not western? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 On 12/7/2022 at 8:15 AM, f8ta1ity54 said: You know, If someone asked me "Has Russia ever done anything wrong?", this would be one of those obvious things I could point to. Russian President Vladimir Putin signs expanded anti-LGBTQ+ law - CBS News Russian President Vladimir Putin signed expanded anti-LGBTQ+ legislation on Monday. The law was originally introduced by the lower house of Russia's legislature in October, and banned so-called "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" for both adults and minors, said a statement by the State Duma. The original bill passed both the lower and upper chambers of Russian legislature before being signed into law by Putin. All positive depictions of the LGBTQ+ community in literature, film, television, online, and more will now be illegal in Russia. "The initiatives propose punishment for the promotion and justification of non-traditional sexual relations in the media, the Internet, literature and cinema," the statement from the State Duma read, describing the imposition of intimidating fines against individuals, organizations and businesses that the State deems as violating the new legislation. The fines range from 100,000 to 4 million rubles, or roughly $1,660 to $66,000. Non-Russian citizens would face expulsion from the country should they be found in violation of the law. The law was authored by Chairman of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin, who said in the State Duma statement, "We have traditions, a conscience, an understanding that we need to think about children, families, the country, and preserve what our parents have passed on to us," while citing data that shows increased numbers of people who identify as LGBTQ+ in Europe and the U.S. "We must do everything to protect our children and those who want to live a normal life. Everything else is sin, sodomy, darkness, and our country is fighting this," he said. The law has been denounced by many activists and political figures, including U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who called it a "serious blow to freedom of expression and the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons in Russia" in Tweet last month after the proposed law passed unanimously through the lower court. This new piece of legislation builds on a 2013 Russian law that banned the so-called "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" to children specifically. The new law now includes adults as well. Shortly before the State Duma approved the 2013 legislation in a 436-0 vote, people protesting the bill's passing were attacked by those with anti-LGBTQ+ viewpoints before being detained by police. Though Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, amendments to the Russian Constitution in 2020 banned LGBTQ+ unions in the country — an action that was declared a human rights violation by the European Court of Human Rights. Putin has even previously said that Russia must "cleanse" itself of homosexuality. Russia has also been criticized in recent years for its treatment of LGBTQ+ people in Chechnya, whose mayor denounced homosexuality in 2017, stating "We don't have those kinds of people here." Chechen members of the LGBTQ+ community have accused police in the Russian republic of kidnapping and torture. While the Kremlin has not yet announced Putin's signature on this latest anti-LGBTQ+ legislation, it was shown on a copy of the measure published on the State Duma website, according to the Associated Press. Russia has done many things wrong; this includes sharing your Leftist/ Fascist/Communist philosophy. The death and destruction caused by your beliefs is unprecedented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, FanBack said: Russia has done many things wrong; this includes sharing your Leftist/ Fascist/Communist philosophy. The death and destruction caused by your beliefs is unprecedented. My philosophy doesn't include authoritarianism. So, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: My philosophy doesn't include authoritarianism. So, no. Your philosophy requires authoritarianism to succeed. All that for which you push is governmental slavery. Didn't you just want to smash railroads and nationalize them? Contrast that with my noble push for freedom and tolerance. The end result of your beliefs is totalitarianism, poverty, despair, prejudice, covetousness, violence and hatred. These demons already rule you. Choose love. Choose capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, FanBack said: Your philosophy requires authoritarianism to succeed. no it doesnt. 3 minutes ago, FanBack said: All that for which you push is governmental slavery. no i dont. you however, push corporate slavery. 3 minutes ago, FanBack said: Didn't you just want to smash railroads and nationalize them? the people should decide what happens to industries and resources that all people need to live and for society to function. Not the few and powerful who profit off the people. 3 minutes ago, FanBack said: Contrast that with my noble push for freedom and tolerance. How are you free if a handful of corporations own everything and put it behind a paywall? 3 minutes ago, FanBack said: The end result of your beliefs is totalitarianism, poverty, despair, prejudice, covetousness, violence and hatred. These demons already rule you. Look outside dumbass, capitalism hasn't solved any of these problems because these there is no profit incentive to do so. 3 minutes ago, FanBack said: Choose love. Choose capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 There are benefits to humanity in both socialism and capitalism. Being a fan boy of either system exclusively is just stupid. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: There are benefits to humanity in both socialism and capitalism. Being a fan boy of either system exclusively is just stupid. The first step is market socialism. More money in the hands of workers and less in the hands of the capitalists who buy politicians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Hero is avoiding this one like the plague. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Hero is avoiding this one like the plague. He still won't say whether he supports Rojava or believes it must be re-absorbed into Assad's Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Hero is avoiding this one like the plague. Considering this thread wallows in self-righteous shitlib inanity, I'm not surprised. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, shiva2999 said: Considering this thread wallows in self-righteous shitlib inanity, I'm not surprised. Really? Is it just shit libs and leftists that value the LGBTQ community, while the "dirt bag left" makes excuses for fascist governments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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