f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 @daryls61What happened to free speech? Twitter suspends Kanye's account again | Reuters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 As Kanye West praises Hitler, advocates fear antisemitism is going mainstream | CBC News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryls61 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 FREE YE! Quote The Things that unite us are far greater than the things that divide us. "Are you a Jedi?" "I am" Din Djarin to Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian "The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in." - Maz Kanata: Star Wars VII The Force Awakens #Cup or Bust 2024 #Bowl or Bust 2023 - It is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, daryls61 said: FREE YE! Do you think twitter is a better place with Neo-Nazis spreading hate on the platform? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryls61 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Do you think twitter is a better place with Neo-Nazis spreading hate on the platform? You can block/mute those who you don't like what they say. 1 Quote The Things that unite us are far greater than the things that divide us. "Are you a Jedi?" "I am" Din Djarin to Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian "The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in." - Maz Kanata: Star Wars VII The Force Awakens #Cup or Bust 2024 #Bowl or Bust 2023 - It is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, daryls61 said: You can block/mute those who you don't like what they say. You didn't answer my question. Do you think twitter is a better place with Neo-Nazis spreading hate on the platform? Yes or No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryls61 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: You didn't answer my question. Do you think twitter is a better place with Neo-Nazis spreading hate on the platform? Yes or No? No but making sure Neo-Nazies can say whatever they want ensures I can also say whatever I want. I can also choose not to read what they have to say. Also, better they be out in the open and be monitored than in the shadows where we don't know what they are doing. It is an unfortunate price we pay for freedom. Quote The Things that unite us are far greater than the things that divide us. "Are you a Jedi?" "I am" Din Djarin to Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian "The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in." - Maz Kanata: Star Wars VII The Force Awakens #Cup or Bust 2024 #Bowl or Bust 2023 - It is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 Just now, daryls61 said: No but making sure Neo-Nazies can say whatever they want ensures I can also say whatever I want. can you explain the logical leap you are making here? Do you say hateful things about jews? Why do we need to amplify neo-nazis to ensure that you can say stuff on twitter? Couldnt we just not have neo-nazis on twitter and you can say what you want as long as it isn't hate speech? Just now, daryls61 said: I can also choose not to read what they have to say. Sure, But is it a good idea to spread Nazi ideology to billions of people? Yes or no? Just now, daryls61 said: Also, better they be out in the open and be monitored than in the shadows where we don't know what they are doing. This is actually factually incorrect. De-platforming neo-nazis hurts their ability to organize and spread their hate. Just now, daryls61 said: It is an unfortunate price we pay for freedom. How are the jews more free if they have to worry that the spread of hate speech will lead to stochastic terrorism? Are you really free if you dont feel safe being in public, or going to your place or worship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, daryls61 said: No but making sure Neo-Nazies can say whatever they want ensures I can also say whatever I want. No, it does the exact opposite. Normalizing Nazi rhetoric can only lead to normalizing Nazi politicians, and when Nazis are in power nobody gets to say anything except what Nazis want said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: No, it does the exact opposite. Normalizing Nazi rhetoric can only lead to normalizing Nazi politicians, and when Nazis are in power nobody gets to say anything except what Nazis want said. It's weird how so many people will die on the hill of "free speech" for Neo-Nazis on a private social media company. You know, a place where free speech is NOT protected by the constitution. To me, it's clear that some people just feel that Nazism belongs in public discourse just like anything else. Those people are Nazis. Only Nazis want to protect other Nazis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryls61 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 31 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: It's weird how so many people will die on the hill of "free speech" for Neo-Nazis on a private social media company. You know, a place where free speech is NOT protected by the constitution. To me, it's clear that some people just feel that Nazism belongs in public discourse just like anything else. Those people are Nazis. Only Nazis want to protect other Nazis. So don't read what they have to say. Nazies are going to say what they want to say. The platform they use doesnt matter and banning them won't stop the speech. Quote The Things that unite us are far greater than the things that divide us. "Are you a Jedi?" "I am" Din Djarin to Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian "The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in." - Maz Kanata: Star Wars VII The Force Awakens #Cup or Bust 2024 #Bowl or Bust 2023 - It is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 minute ago, daryls61 said: So don't read what they have to say. Nazies are going to say what they want to say. The platform they use doesnt matter and banning them won't stop the speech. It's not that I can't handle reading it, it's that you are giving a bull horn to every Nazi to recruit more Nazis. Do you want there to be more Nazis yes or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryls61 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Just now, f8ta1ity54 said: It's not that I can't handle reading it, it's that you are giving a bull horn to every Nazi to recruit more Nazis. Do you want there to be more Nazis yes or no? I think that would happen anyway. The platform is not relevant and of course I don't want more Nazies or any other hate group. Quote The Things that unite us are far greater than the things that divide us. "Are you a Jedi?" "I am" Din Djarin to Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian "The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in." - Maz Kanata: Star Wars VII The Force Awakens #Cup or Bust 2024 #Bowl or Bust 2023 - It is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 Just now, daryls61 said: I think that would happen anyway. Yes, nazi propaganda will always exist, but do you want to normalize Nazism in mainstream discourse, yes or no? Just now, daryls61 said: The platform is not relevant and of course I don't want more Nazies or any other hate group. The platform is still relevant. it still has millions of users. Why do you feel comfortable sharing spaces with Nazis? Should we be concerned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryls61 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Yes, nazi propaganda will always exist, but do you want to normalize Nazism in mainstream discourse, yes or no? The platform is still relevant. it still has millions of users. Why do you feel comfortable sharing spaces with Nazis? Should we be concerned? No, of course I don't want to normalize extremists. No, you should not be concerned. I don't follow any Nazies on twitter and is I saw a Nazi tweet, I would block that account so I would not be sharing space with them. Quote The Things that unite us are far greater than the things that divide us. "Are you a Jedi?" "I am" Din Djarin to Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian "The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in." - Maz Kanata: Star Wars VII The Force Awakens #Cup or Bust 2024 #Bowl or Bust 2023 - It is the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, daryls61 said: No, of course I don't want to normalize extremists. Does platforming Nazis on social media normalize them, yes or no? 13 minutes ago, daryls61 said: No, you should not be concerned. I don't follow any Nazies on twitter and is I saw a Nazi tweet, I would block that account so I would not be sharing space with them. I'm glad to hear that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ICRockets2 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 5 hours ago, daryls61 said: I think that would happen anyway. The platform is not relevant and of course I don't want more Nazies or any other hate group. You just also don't want fewer of them for some reason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknaboz Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 3 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Hate speech dramatically surges on Twitter following Elon Musk takeover, new research shows | CNN Business That was Musk's plan all along. 1 Quote [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishLass Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 8 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Do you think twitter is a better place with Neo-Nazis spreading hate on the platform? They have historically allowed Hezbollah's media arm al-Nour radio, so it looks like they have some work to do. Beyond that, the news media breathlessly reports much of what Kanye says, so doubtful that kicking him off Twitter will stop the spread of his message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 15 hours ago, IrishLass said: They have historically allowed Hezbollah's media arm al-Nour radio, so it looks like they have some work to do. Beyond that, the news media breathlessly reports much of what Kanye says, so doubtful that kicking him off Twitter will stop the spread of his message. Funny how you didn’t really answer the question that you quoted 1 Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very Wide Right Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 12/2/2022 at 9:16 AM, f8ta1ity54 said: You didn't answer my question. Do you think twitter is a better place with Neo-Nazis spreading hate on the platform? Yes or No? Do we really need to explain the benefits of freedom of speech to you? You are a scary person and stupid at the same time. You want to decide what people can say and can't say? You are typical of a democrat today, you spread hate for religion and mock those who have faith daily here yet condemn others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Very Wide Right said: Do we really need to explain the benefits of freedom of speech to you? You are a scary person and stupid at the same time. You want to decide what people can say and can't say? You are typical of a democrat today, you spread hate for religion and mock those who have faith daily here yet condemn others. Ah, so there's no problem with kids being taught that gay and trans people exist and should be respected. Since you don't want to decide what people can and can't say, after all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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