Lukashenko warns Ukraine of COMPLETE DESTRUCTION if they don’t negotiate

[shiva2999]

22 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Why does one country feel like they should have the right to completely demilitarize another country? 

Tell me, why does Ukraine need an army?

What sort of horrible indignities would it suffer if it declared it's political neutrality and only maintained a token force to protect against terrorism and violent protests if necessary?

[LiterateStylish]

12 hours ago, Herodotus said:

Demilitarization, the destruction of Ukraine's military and military infrastructure 

And you’re okay with this.

My goodness.

[Herodotus]

14 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

And you’re okay with this.

My goodness.

Ukraine did have a choice.  Hell this whole thing could have ended in March or April when Zelensky wanted peace only to have Biden and Boris talk him out of it.  Don't like Ukraine suffering? Me neither.  Blame Biden and Johnson for not allowing the carnage to end.

[shiva2999]

 

[HipKat]

3 hours ago, Herodotus said:

Ukraine did have a choice.  Hell this whole thing could have ended in March or April when Zelensky wanted peace only to have Biden and Boris talk him out of it.  Don't like Ukraine suffering? Me neither.  Blame Biden and Johnson for not allowing the carnage to end.

You're a hypocrite. Sure it could have ended early - by rolling over and letting Putin conquer and absorb Ukraine - which you obviously support

[ICRockets2]

4 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

Tell me, why does Ukraine need an army?

 

lmao

[shiva2999]

30 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

lmao

It was a serious question.

 Certainly seems to me only Russia poses any real threat and since they could NEVER beat Russia better to be their friend than their enemy.

This is the real world.

Portraying it as good versus evil only gets you Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.

And possibly worse.

[LiterateStylish]

45 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

lmao

It is such an absurd question.

[LiterateStylish]

8 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

and since they could NEVER beat Russia better to be their friend than their enemy.

So…. what is Russia so so worried about then?

If Ukraine is no threat, why invade them? 

[shiva2999]

18 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

So…. what is Russia so so worried about then?

If Ukraine is no threat, why invade them? 

I didn't say they weren't a threat.

I said they could never beat Russia militarily, plus you assume that Ukraine is calling it's own shots.

They aren't. Their masters are hiding behind them in Washington.

[shiva2999]

21 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

It is such an absurd question.

What's "absurd" about it?

Please explain.

[LiterateStylish]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

I didn't say they weren't a threat.

I said they could never beat Russia militarily, plus you assume that Ukraine is calling it's own shots.

They aren't. Their masters are hiding behind them in Washington.

Shiva out of one side of his mouth: Ukraine could never beat Russia.

Shiva out of the other side: Ukraine is a threat.

[LiterateStylish]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

What's "absurd" about it?

Please explain.

no I’m not doing this game where you never answer questions yet you ask a million of them.

[shiva2999]

43 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

no I’m not doing this game where you never answer questions yet you ask a million of them.

Or you won't answer because you know you can't without looking stupid.

[shiva2999]

45 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Shiva out of one side of his mouth: Ukraine could never beat Russia.

Shiva out of the other side: Ukraine is a threat.

Here, watch this.

It's a perfect dramatization of the situation.

See if you can guess who's Russia, who's Ukraine, who's the US and wh's the American public....

 

[LiterateStylish]

3 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

Here, watch this.

It's a perfect dramatization of the situation.

See if you can guess who's Russia, who's Ukraine, who's the US and wh's the American public....

 

Another side step.

HOW is Ukraine a threat if they cant beat Russia?

[shiva2999]

2 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Another side step.

HOW is Ukraine a threat if they cant beat Russia?

By killing 14,000 plus people in the Donbass since 2014.

And they're a threat because they showed no plans to stop it.

That's one example.

[ICRockets2]

26 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

By killing 14,000 plus people in the Donbass since 2014.

And they're a threat because they showed no plans to stop it.

That's one example.

https://mercatornet.com/did-ukraine-kill-14000-pro-russians-and-civilians-in-donbass/78793/

[HipKat]

6 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

Shiva out of one side of his mouth: Ukraine could never beat Russia.

Shiva out of the other side: Ukraine is a threat.

Man, I'd give this the laughing emoji, but.....

[Herodotus]

Ukraine is a threat to Russia because its a hammer being weilded by the US to destroy Russia.  Lloyd Austin, Biden, Blinken, and the Rand Corporation as far back as 2019 have all said this.  I have posted the Rand Corporation's Extending Russia study and I shit you not, its like having the program to a ballet in that you see everything this country has done to Russia and its allies since 2019.

Ukraine is a threat to Russia because its being used to pose a direct threat to Russian security, its forces have been being trained and equipped and funded by the US and NATO for the past 8 years and Petro Poroshenko and Angela Merkel are both on record that the Minsk Accords were not used by the Ukraine to seek piece but to buy arms and build up a NATO calibre force.  Ukraine is a threat to Russia because with the assistance of the United States, they have biological weapons labs.  Vicky Nuland admitted as much to the Senate and no matter how hard Google tried to make that vanish down the memory hole I have posted video of that.

Did I mention that Ukraine is a threat because since at least 2004, with the Orange revolution, we have been working very hard to move Ukraine from a pro Russian neutral to an ultra nationalist, fanatically fascist, pro NATO state.  Hell, remember PNAC? Well, in addition to genocidal aims in the middle east, Brzenski, Pipes, Cheney  Wolfowitz etc wanted to get the US into eastern Europe to destroy Russia.  Lets not forget that Bush Jr marched NATO into the Baltic, overthrew or attempted to overthrow several Moscow friendly governments across the former Soviet Union in so called color revolutions and that he started the push for Ukraine to join NATO.  

Did I mention that Ukraine is a threat to Russia because in 2014 Vicky Nuland and the Obama admin overthrew Ukraine's "sovereign democracy" and that the regime they installed, Nuland handpicked the first leader of the new regime, you think we give two shits about their "sovereign democracy?" Fuck, we interfered in their internal affairs, orchestrated a violent coup against their pro Moscow democracy and I assure you that if that had not happened, none of what we have seen in the past 8 years would have happened.

Believe it or not, this war did not happen in a vacuum.  Ukraine is a threat to Russia because of itself, but because we are using it as a weapon.  Russia is not fighting Ukraine.  Ukraine is just the glove.  They are fighting us.  Pretend its not a proxy war all you want, but you'd either be wrong, Lit and Hip or a steaming pile of non sentient dogshit left on the road, ICweiners.

[Herodotus]

2 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

https://mercatornet.com/did-ukraine-kill-14000-pro-russians-and-civilians-in-donbass/78793/

 

[ICRockets2]

13 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Ukraine is a threat to Russia because its a hammer being weilded by the US to destroy Russia.  Lloyd Austin, Biden, Blinken, and the Rand Corporation as far back as 2019 have all said this.  I have posted the Rand Corporation's Extending Russia study and I shit you not, its like having the program to a ballet in that you see everything this country has done to Russia and its allies since 2019.

 

https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2020/5/28/putins-playbook-reviewing-dugins-foundations-of-geopolitics

 

[ICRockets2]

19 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

 

Did I mention that Ukraine is a threat to Russia because in 2014 Vicky Nuland and the Obama admin overthrew Ukraine's "sovereign democracy" and that the regime they installed, Nuland handpicked the first leader of the new regime, you think we give two shits about their "sovereign democracy?" Fuck, we interfered in their internal affairs, orchestrated a violent coup against their pro Moscow democracy and I assure you that if that had not happened, none of what we have seen in the past 8 years would have happened.

 

None of this is accurate.  

1) Democracy was not overthrown.  Yanukovych fled.  

2) Nuland did not handpick the first leader.  The reason she is asking about the people she asks about on the phone call you're referring to is because they were the leaders of the largest opposition parties at the time, with "Yats" being the leader of the largest and therefore the logical choice for interim "President".  

3) Euromaidan was not a violent coup.  Again, the Ukrainian government was not overthrown.  Euromaidan was a protest that turned violent when COPS shot protestors on Yanukovych's orders (allegedly as a proxy for Putin encouraging that course of action).  

4) Ukraine did not have a "pro Moscow democracy" in the least.  Yanukovych pledged to join the EU.  That's what the people voted for him to do.  YANUKOVYCH became pro-Moscow, this is true, but that was explicitly against the will of the people.  That is why Euromaidan happened.  Actual autonomous Ukrainian citizens were outraged at their President's dereliction of democratic duty.

[ICRockets2]

35 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

 

This doesn't seem like the intelligent and nuanced discourse I was assured you were capable of.

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3 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

This doesn't seem like the intelligent and nuanced discourse I was assured of which you were capable.

Even Fascists must have proper grammar.  I suspect you still play the cognitive dissonance game, you supporter of State-Sponsored Mutilation of Minors.