The "retreat" from Kherson...

[shiva2999]

Not a big deal.

Even the greatest teams in history had to play defense occasionally.

Let Scott Ritter explain it to you.

Or you can cover your ears and keep chanting "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!"

 

[ICRockets2]

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna45049386

[Herodotus]

10 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

Not a big deal.

Even the greatest teams in history had to play defense occasionally.

Let Scott Ritter explain it to you.

Or you can cover your ears and keep chanting "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!"

 

Is it a retreat though, or is it Maskirovka.  I've posted enough David Glantz's youtube vids on this in other threads, so you may want to have a look.   Also, this sounds very much like February.  Remember in February they said they were pulling out of Belarus after their exercise.  Then they attacked.  Surovikin and Kadryov and Shoigu are all very much trying to sell this retreat.   Now sure, the east bank of the Dniepr greatly shortens their defensive lines and they will be able to create a firebag to wipe out Ukrainians, but they are moving up 300,000 troops, they are also now commanded by Surovikin, the guy who liberated much of Syria from ISIS and Al Qaeda in 2017.  Also, keep in mind the Rasputitsa, the season of the mud is coming to an end.  For more on rasputitsa look at Operation Barbarossa in 1941.  Essentially in Ukraine and western Russia and Belarus the ground liquifies every fall and spring rendering it unsuitable for vehicles and cross country combat.  My take is that they are either negotiating a peace with NATO or that Lit is right and they are all but destroyed, or and this goes in line with everything I have seen from this war that they are doing some psychological judo right now and are going to launch a massive offensive somewhere.  Time will tell, but I am hearing lots of murmurs about something going down on November 15.

[ICRockets2]

1 minute ago, Herodotus said:

 I am hearing lots of murmurs about something going down on November 15.

Are those murmurs similar to the murmurs you heard about Ukraine having an offensive planned for March 8 that you insist didn't come from a Russian news source even though the only reference I could find was in TASS?  

When can we expect you to back up that claim, by the way?

[Herodotus]

3 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Are those murmurs similar to the murmurs you heard about Ukraine having an offensive planned for March 8 that you insist didn't come from a Russian news source even though the only reference I could find was in TASS?  

When can we expect you to back up that claim, by the way?

That wasn't from tass schizowoke.  You're on ignore because you don't contribute anything, don't know anything, don't add anything and only invite abuse and I am sick and tired of telling people you are a mentally ill fucktard too stupid to know if its a man, a woman, or a mistake and loves nazis, telling people to kill themselves.  You know what, I have that post where you said I was planning an act of gun violence and you know what you piece of shit.  I have talked to a lawyer about that and they said  I have a legitimate libel claim against you.  Don't make me follow through on that.  

[ICRockets2]

4 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

 I have talked to a lawyer about that and they said  I have a legitimate libel claim against you.  

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[ICRockets2]

5 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

That wasn't from tass 

great, then prove it, because when I tried to independently verify the claim TASS was the only source I found.

https://tass.com/emergencies/1418035

[LiterateStylish]

Russia can win the war just based on sheer size and being able to constantly send more and more troops.

But make no mistake about it, this is extremely embarrassing for Russia. The US could have taken Ukraine in a matter of weeks. 

Russia will be going on a year soon.

[shiva2999]

6 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Russia can win the war just based on sheer size and being able to constantly send more and more troops.

But make no mistake about it, this is extremely embarrassing for Russia. The US could have taken Ukraine in a matter of weeks. 

Russia will be going on a year soon.

Russia doesn't want to take Ukraine and Kherson has been evacuated of civilians.

The city itself is of no tangible value.

It's like a team that's up 50 - 0 giving up a field goal.

No big deal plus it removes the threat of the Ukrainians blowing the dam upriver.

 

[shiva2999]

1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna45049386

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=railroad

[ICRockets2]

8 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=railroad

https://imgflip.com/i/70c7mt

[shiva2999]

8 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

https://imgflip.com/i/70c7mt

Yawn.

The only thing Scott Ritter was guilty of was naivite. 

He should have lied about who he is the way you do.

[Herodotus]

42 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Russia can win the war just based on sheer size and being able to constantly send more and more troops.

But make no mistake about it, this is extremely embarrassing for Russia. The US could have taken Ukraine in a matter of weeks. 

Russia will be going on a year soon.

1. Is it an embarrassment though? What are their war aims? Again, Putin said it very clear, I will break my rule and post the transcript of his speech from Kremlin.Ru because it is a primary source and so its good to see what his aim was.  He said that the goal was to denazify (Azovites, Aidar, Right Sector, Svaboda are dead), demilitarize, Ukraine's MIC is in ashes, its energy infrastructure is gone.  its industry is bombed out.  Its rails are in shambles.  To protect the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics and Russia's sovereignty by which he means Crimea.  The dam that the Ukrainians had built to cut off drinking water to Crimea is gone.  Also, its important to remember that he has been very adamant that he never had any plans to occupy that much of Ukraine.  Look it up.  Not what the west said.  Not what the tv and interwebz told you, but what he said.

 

2. US could take Ukraine in a matter of weeks? You mean like Afghanistan or Iraq? Iran has hegemony in Iraq, and the Taliban beat the US.  The Taliban, the same people who we invaded in 2001 to expel from power there are running that country.  Wanna try that again?

3. Russia knows what its doing.  Also, like I said, they are selling very hard that they are evacuating Kherson.  The question is why? Is it maskirovka? Again, they did something very similar to this back in February.  I won't post Russian state media for the same reason i won't post Ukrainian or American sources or those of NATO because I know that they all have a war or proxy war to sell you.  However, if you go back through RT's archives you can see where they said they were pulling out of Belarus and they showed trains full of equipment returning home.  As far as November 15, again its a murmur that I am seeing on Russian social media.  Is it copium? Maybe.  Is there maybe going to be an offensive that day? Maybe.  Look, right now they haven't done much because the ground is not yet ready for combat operations (rasputitsa is a thing).  

You can say what you want about me, I don't care, but I make no pretense about this.  I know a hell of a lot more about this part of the world than you and your nightly diet of corporate state propaganda do.  So again, there may not be something coming later this month.  However, their current behavior looks very much like what they were doing in February.  So maybe they are negotiating behind closed doors.  Its possible.  Maybe they are on the point of collapse.  Its possible.  Or maybe they are engaging in Maskirovka and are preparing for a winter offensive.  Time will tell.  

[ICRockets2]

5 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

 

You can say what you want about me, I don't care

You told me you were going to sue me for libel an hour ago

[Herodotus]

9 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

Yawn.

The only thing Scott Ritter was guilty of was naivite. 

He should have lied about who he is the way you do.

Hey Shiva, can you help me out here, okay it is rhetorical but help me out anyway.  Why is it that when anyone speaks out against the reich they are a sexual deviant?  Julian Assange, Scott Ritter are the first to come to mind.  Oh wait, why do I have to ask.  We all know why they do this.  Its the same reason why Lit has called me a Putin ball sucker, said I post Russian news sources (where have I posted a link, sorry Imaretard2 your 2 minute google search and accusations that I got my stuff from tass is not something I have to provide.  There was an article from a western source, but like so much (good luck finding Vicky Nuland admitting Ukraine has bioweapons labs, that too went pretty far down the memory hole, there's a reason for that, and you and I both know what that reason is), then said I post far right news sources (where lit? Show me.  Show me my far right news sources), and why ICWeiner and Hipkunt have both said that I was a dangerous person who should be banned and that authorities should be alerted because I was likely to do a mass shooting.  

In short, I don't give two shits what you fucktard bastards think and really your smear and attempts to poison the well does not take away from what the people you are slandering and libeling are saying.  Assange is a rapist!!!! Maybe, maybe not, this country doesn't want him dead because he was accused in Sweden of rape (a charge later dropped) they want him murdered because he exposed US war crimes.  Scott Ritter may be a kiddy diddler.  Fuck him.  However, its curious that his legal troubles didn't begin until he started calling the Iraq war bullshit.  Do you see how you have been had yet?  Are you wilfully stupid or just gullible?

[ICRockets2]

6 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Scott Ritter may be a kiddy diddler. 

 

7 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

However

 

[shiva2999]

35 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

 Scott Ritter may be a kiddy diddler. 

There has never been any reports of sexual impropriety by Scott Ritter other than the two government instigated prosecutions involving flirting on the internet.

Stuff like that used to be called entrapment.

After all, I don't believe it's yet a law that says you're a sexual deviant if you fuck a woman that pretends to be underage.

There's a reason nature designed girls to reach physical and sexual maturity before boys.

[ICRockets2]

4 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

There has never been any reports of sexual impropriety by Scott Ritter other than the two government instigated prosecutions involving flirting on the internet.

Stuff like that used to be called entrapment.

After all, I don't believe it's yet a law that says you're a sexual deviant if you fuck a woman that pretends to be underage.

There's a reason nature designed girls to reach physical and sexual maturity before boys.

Scott Ritter demonstrated clear intent to solicit sex from minors on the internet.  If you have to wait until the person he does this to is actually a child, then you're consciously putting children at risk.  You're saying "we can't stop child sex abusers until after a child is sexually abused ".  That's reprehensible.  That not only requires a kid to "take one for the team" so to speak, but to also then agree to press charges and/or re-live their trauma in court.  These types of stings exist to PREVENT CSA and the aforementioned re-traumatization, rather than simply wait until after the fact.

Nobody is making you take the position that more kids ought to be sexually abused.  You're making a conscious choice here to defend the indefensible.    

[shiva2999]

8 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Scott Ritter demonstrated clear intent to solicit sex from minors on the internet.  

Sez who?

After all, I could come on to you in cyberspace because you're a sexy Bills fan who encourages my advances when you're really a 16 year old boy scout.

But I could be mistaken.

Why not provide the court transcripts and we can all make up our minds about whether or not Scott was the first person in the history of America to be railroaded for political reasons.

We may all be shocked by the answer.

[ICRockets2]

3 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

Sez who?

After all, I could come on to you in cyberspace because you're a sexy Bills fan who encourages my advances when you're really a 16 year old boy scout.

But I could be mistaken.

 

So the exact opposite of what happened here?  Where Ritter was operating from the belief that he was speaking to a minor?

[shiva2999]

 

40 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

So the exact opposite of what happened here?  Where Ritter was operating from the belief that he was speaking to a minor?

The exact opposite of what happened where?

And BTW, why did the cops decide in the first place that Scott deserved to be set up?

He didn't target the girls, the girls targeted Scott.

You know who does shit like that?

Fascists.          

[shiva2999]

 

en·trap·ment

/inˈtrapmənt,enˈtrapmənt/

 

noun

1. the state of being caught in or as in a trap.

   "the feeling of entrapment grows as the roads close and the power goes out"

   • the action of tricking someone into committing a crime in order to secure their prosecution.

     "his style of investigation constitutes entrapment

 

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

 

 

And BTW, why did the cops decide in the first place that Scott deserved to be set up?

 

I'm sure if I looked into it I could consult the police report and answer this question, but I have no incentive to do so.  You've irrevocably made up your mind that he was targeted by the Deep State for the crime of insufficient sycophancy.  Nothing I find can dissuade you of this presumption, so why would I waste my time?

[shiva2999]

3 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

I'm sure if I looked into it I could consult the police report and answer this question, but I have no incentive to do so. ..

You have all the incentive in the world.

You can prove me wrong.

But the fact remains that even IF Scott Ritter has a thing for teenage girls, it doesn't prove he's lying in his analysis of the political situation.

It's just an utterly irrelevant smear.

[HipKat]

10 hours ago, Herodotus said:

1. Is it an embarrassment though? What are their war aims? Again, Putin said it very clear, I will break my rule and post the transcript of his speech from Kremlin.Ru because it is a primary source and so its good to see what his aim was.  He said that the goal was to denazify (Azovites, Aidar, Right Sector, Svaboda are dead), demilitarize, Ukraine's MIC is in ashes, its energy infrastructure is gone.  its industry is bombed out.  Its rails are in shambles.  To protect the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics and Russia's sovereignty by which he means Crimea.  The dam that the Ukrainians had built to cut off drinking water to Crimea is gone.  Also, its important to remember that he has been very adamant that he never had any plans to occupy that much of Ukraine.  Look it up.  Not what the west said.  Not what the tv and interwebz told you, but what he said.

 

2. US could take Ukraine in a matter of weeks? You mean like Afghanistan or Iraq? Iran has hegemony in Iraq, and the Taliban beat the US.  The Taliban, the same people who we invaded in 2001 to expel from power there are running that country.  Wanna try that again?

3. Russia knows what its doing.  Also, like I said, they are selling very hard that they are evacuating Kherson.  The question is why? Is it maskirovka? Again, they did something very similar to this back in February.  I won't post Russian state media for the same reason i won't post Ukrainian or American sources or those of NATO because I know that they all have a war or proxy war to sell you.  However, if you go back through RT's archives you can see where they said they were pulling out of Belarus and they showed trains full of equipment returning home.  As far as November 15, again its a murmur that I am seeing on Russian social media.  Is it copium? Maybe.  Is there maybe going to be an offensive that day? Maybe.  Look, right now they haven't done much because the ground is not yet ready for combat operations (rasputitsa is a thing).  

You can say what you want about me, I don't care, but I make no pretense about this.  I know a hell of a lot more about this part of the world than you and your nightly diet of corporate state propaganda do.  So again, there may not be something coming later this month.  However, their current behavior looks very much like what they were doing in February.  So maybe they are negotiating behind closed doors.  Its possible.  Maybe they are on the point of collapse.  Its possible.  Or maybe they are engaging in Maskirovka and are preparing for a winter offensive.  Time will tell.  

Why don’t you and your little buddy Shiva just moved to Russia and get it over with?