Oh ICR. . . .

[Herodotus]

Remember how you said I should stop worrying and love the bomb because nobody in power was thinking about using nukes? Have you seen this?

https://www.democracynow.org/2022/10/28/headlines/pentagon_nuclear_posture_review_wont_rule_out_us_first_strike

 

Calm me down because I do admit I catastrophize when I read people embracing first strikes.  

 

Seriously, give Biden a suitcase of shredded newspaper and hide the codes from him because this is some scary shit.

[Thebowflexbody]

Complete morons are currently running this country.

 

[Toofast80]

46 minutes ago, Thebowflexbody said:

Complete morons are currently running this country.

 

The end of this video is an actual depiction of Bidumb and his competency!

 

[ICRockets2]

53 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Remember how you said I should stop worrying and love the bomb because nobody in power was thinking about using nukes? Have you seen this?

https://www.democracynow.org/2022/10/28/headlines/pentagon_nuclear_posture_review_wont_rule_out_us_first_strike

 

Calm me down because I do admit I catastrophize when I read people embracing first strikes.  

 

Seriously, give Biden a suitcase of shredded newspaper and hide the codes from him because this is some scary shit.

I think just from a practical standpoint you don't have a choice but to avoid EXPLICITLY taking that option off the table.  This isn't a change in our policy in any way, from what I can tell.  We're not saying "the US is preparing to use nukes as a first strike" it's just not saying we definitely, categorically will not.  Like it or not, there are nuclear powers that need a check to their aggression.  If we can provide that check by simply reminding them the 2nd half of the Fuck Around Principle exists then we're potentially saving lives.  

You gotta remember, the most likely use of nukes is going to be from fascists who have to choose between destroying the planet or submitting to the woke mob and opt for the former.  Liberals like Joe Biden are all too willing to suibmit to their opponents to be a serious threat in that regard.

[micknaboz]

I'm still disappointed we can't get a Seal Team to take Putin out.

And a little apprehensive Trump could have divulged in some way classified documents to Putin that could cause us great harm. I mean the only thing those people really care about is money. Anyone around him could have been selling information, and I have no doubt, would.

[shiva2999]

 

[shiva2999]

3 minutes ago, micknaboz said:

I'm still disappointed we can't get a Seal Team to take Putin out.

And a little apprehensive Trump could have divulged in some way classified documents to Putin that could cause us great harm. I mean the only thing those people really care about is money. Anyone around him could have been selling information, and I have no doubt, would.

Really?

What kind of classified documents could be sent to Putin that would cause you great harm?

Ones where you admit you're the real bad guys in this whole sorry farce?

[shiva2999]

 

[jc856]

26 minutes ago, micknaboz said:

I'm still disappointed we can't get a Seal Team to take Putin out.

And a little apprehensive Trump could have divulged in some way classified documents to Putin that could cause us great harm. I mean the only thing those people really care about is money. Anyone around him could have been selling information, and I have no doubt, would.

This isn’t serious, is it? Unless it’s okay with his top brass, it’s probably not a good idea.

[Herodotus]

18 minutes ago, micknaboz said:

I'm still disappointed we can't get a Seal Team to take Putin out.

And a little apprehensive Trump could have divulged in some way classified documents to Putin that could cause us great harm. I mean the only thing those people really care about is money. Anyone around him could have been selling information, and I have no doubt, would.

One very big problem.  Two words, dead hand.  I assure you they have turned that fucker back on.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand

 

One other consideration.  Because you need to know how dangerous removing Putin would be.  Do you remember Iraq? Where we had the mindset, Saddam gone, something else, western Democracy and instead we got Saddam gone, radical shia, ISIS, Iranian puppet state? No? Okay, how about Assad gone, something, Democracy and instead we got Assad gone (still there), ISIS and 5 party civil war, Russo-Sino-Iranian satellite.

Now lets look at Russia.  We kill Putin, they probably nuke us.  However, for shits and giggles lets say we boot Putin or we kill him.  You think we get Navalny? Maybe Kasparov? You couldn't be more wrong.  75 percent of Russians back this war.  Now, to be sure Putin is getting criticism, but. . . . . Its not the shitlibs who want to return to the 90s.  Even if it were, they have 10-15 percent support.  No, those critical of Putin are ultra nationalists and others who are pissed at Putin, not for the war, but because he has been very restrained.  There are lots of people who want Surovikin to crater Ukraine and turn NATO and the US into endless seas of radiactive glass devoid of life.  

Now lets talk human nature.  Do you remember 9/11? Do you remember when the Dems and GOP sang God bless America and how Shrub had an approval rating of 90 percent and was able to lie us into Iraq? Now say what you want about Putin, but he has a very large and very popular cult of personality.  This means, for right or wrong his people love him.  You kill or hurt him? It would be political suicide for their leadership to not take out Biden, the EU leadership and congress.  Their people would want American blood.  Yours they can have, if you want that.  Mine? Fuck I ain't dying for your barbaric miscalculation.

[jc856]

The dead man launch code is 

OU812

Gorby  loved Van Halen 

[ICRockets2]

28 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

One very big problem.  Two words, dead hand.  I assure you they have turned that fucker back on.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand

 

One other consideration.  Because you need to know how dangerous removing Putin would be.  Do you remember Iraq? Where we had the mindset, Saddam gone, something else, western Democracy and instead we got Saddam gone, radical shia, ISIS, Iranian puppet state? No? Okay, how about Assad gone, something, Democracy and instead we got Assad gone (still there), ISIS and 5 party civil war, Russo-Sino-Iranian satellite.

Now lets look at Russia.  We kill Putin, they probably nuke us.  However, for shits and giggles lets say we boot Putin or we kill him.  You think we get Navalny? Maybe Kasparov? You couldn't be more wrong.  75 percent of Russians back this war.  Now, to be sure Putin is getting criticism, but. . . . . Its not the shitlibs who want to return to the 90s.  Even if it were, they have 10-15 percent support.  No, those critical of Putin are ultra nationalists and others who are pissed at Putin, not for the war, but because he has been very restrained.  There are lots of people who want Surovikin to crater Ukraine and turn NATO and the US into endless seas of radiactive glass devoid of life.  

Now lets talk human nature.  Do you remember 9/11? Do you remember when the Dems and GOP sang God bless America and how Shrub had an approval rating of 90 percent and was able to lie us into Iraq? Now say what you want about Putin, but he has a very large and very popular cult of personality.  This means, for right or wrong his people love him.  You kill or hurt him? It would be political suicide for their leadership to not take out Biden, the EU leadership and congress.  Their people would want American blood.  Yours they can have, if you want that.  Mine? Fuck I ain't dying for your barbaric miscalculation.

I desperately need you to think about the things you say more critically than you do.  In this post you're telling us "the average Russian citizen is angry that Putin hasn't pulled the genocide lever" and yet your explicit position on the war is that UKRAINE is the Nazi side of the conflict.  These sentiments are totally incompatible.

[Herodotus]

27 minutes ago, jc856 said:

This isn’t serious, is it? Unless it’s okay with his top brass, it’s probably not a good idea.

Do remember, that just because you think a general, or group of generals, or other politicians are in on something, one need only look back to this February.  There is a lot of evidence shared by people I know on Russian social media that Putin and the FSB (current day variant of the KGB/NKVD) paid Ukrainian politicians and generals to essentially stand down as the Russians went in.  Now, in Kherson and Zaprozhiye these deals paid off big.  Russia took Kherson and Zaprozhiye and other than some half assed demonstrations this spring and an occassional car bomb, they had an easy time securing and administering these territories with very little force.  Yeah, Putin seriously invaded with about 85,000 troops.  That sort of number only makes sense when you are reasonably sure you have a deal in place.  The reason they had the massive call up, is that they are going to try again in a couple weeks after the rasputitsa (season of the mud and bad roads) ends.  Lit said some stupid shit about attacking Kiev with 9,000 troops? Not quite lit, sorry.  My guess is they focus on Nikolayevsk and Odess to cut Ukraine off from the sea and to batter their way into Kharkov and get behind the Ukrainian fortified lines in Donetsk.  
Wait, where was I going with this?
Oh yeah that's right, they thought they had a deal made and it didn't work.  Just like us in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, etc.  In short its always incredibly dangerous to bank on coups, assassinations, invasions, or other regime change exercises because they almost always monumentally backfire.  Hell, even where they seem to work, like our regime change bid in Ukraine in 2014 (which in addition to securing slave labor, cheap narcotics, females for sex trafficking, and conscription into NATO was aimed at grabbing the Crimea's very rich mineral and gas wealth and its naval facilities), they always result in disastrous consequences.  Russia seized Crimea and took Ukraine's industrial heartland (Donbass).  So long story short, if you do a cost basis analysis you will see that removing Putin through coup, bullet, or bomb can only end in disaster.  Your only bet is to spend decades building political capital and cultivating a youth movement that is pro western, but oh wait that's right you ban Russian youth and just about everything else Russian and sanction the rest and you lose that ability.  

[jc856]

22 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

In short its always incredibly dangerous to bank on coups, assassinations, invasions, or other regime change exercises because they almost always monumentally backfire

Boy, you sure are right about that. Even if, like you say, it’s successful, their is always some dynamic or paradigm shift that the analysts never feed into the equation.

then again, if you’re feeding a war machine and profits are being made, does it really matter if it’s a success or not?

[micknaboz]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

Really?

What kind of classified documents could be sent to Putin that would cause you great harm?

Ones where you admit you're the real bad guys in this whole sorry farce?

C'mon, we would never admit that!    lol

 

[Herodotus]

16 minutes ago, jc856 said:

Boy, you sure are right about that. Even if, like you say, it’s successful, their is always some dynamic or paradigm shift that the analysts never feed into the equation.

then again, if you’re feeding a war machine and profits are being made, does it really matter if it’s a success or not?

When its Russia yes.  You can laugh at their culture, cancel them, call them whatever you want, to say nothing of me.  I don'tc are.  But yes, it really does matter how we handle Russia.  There are 8,000 nuclear weapons pointed at us and we must do everything we can to not back them into a corner where they feel that using those is their only choice.

[ICRockets2]

6 hours ago, Herodotus said:

When its Russia yes.  You can laugh at their culture, cancel them, call them whatever you want, to say nothing of me.  I don'tc are.  But yes, it really does matter how we handle Russia.  There are 8,000 nuclear weapons pointed at us and we must do everything we can to not back them into a corner where they feel that using those is their only choice.

If you believe that's a viable threat, you cannot possibly believe there is a moral justification to supporting Putin over Ukraine.  

[shiva2999]

1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said:

If you believe that's a viable threat, you cannot possibly believe there is a moral justification to supporting Putin over Ukraine.  

Sorry, but neither Gibby nor I necessarily "support Putin over Ukraine" just because we don't support Ukraine over Putin.

And there is no moral justification for making the accusation.

Just the same old Putin is Snidely Whiplash and Ukraine is Little Nell hysteria.

[ICRockets2]

4 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

Sorry, but neither Gibby nor I necessarily "support Putin over Ukraine" just because we don't support Ukraine over Putin.

And there is no moral justification for making the accusation.

Just the same old Putin is Snidely Whiplash and Ukraine is Little Nell hysteria.

Gibby explicitly supports Putin over Ukraine.  He has issued challenges to the owner of the site demanding he buy him a shirt if Russia wins.  He celebrated the shelling of Kyiv after the bombing of the Crimean bridge.  

I mean for fuck's sake, he uses "Ukrainians" and "Nazis" interchangeably.  You're telling me he's taking a neutral stance on a Nazi country?

[shiva2999]

17 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Gibby explicitly supports Putin over Ukraine.  He has issued challenges to the owner of the site demanding he buy him a shirt if Russia wins.  He celebrated the shelling of Kyiv after the bombing of the Crimean bridge.  

I mean for fuck's sake, he uses "Ukrainians" and "Nazis" interchangeably.  You're telling me he's taking a neutral stance on a Nazi country?

1. Please provide the texts for your accusations because I read what he says as you do and I disagree with your assessment.

2. Neither he, nor I, have accused ALL Ukrainians of being Nazis, but denying the Nazi segment of Ukraine and its influence and support is absurd.

[RichJ]

11 hours ago, micknaboz said:

I'm still disappointed we can't get a Seal Team to take Putin out.

Pretty sure the seal team thinks the president is senile and doesn't even know where he is . I hope they don't follow his directions 

[ICRockets2]

2 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

1. Please provide the texts for your accusations because I read what he says as you do and I disagree with your assessment.

2. Neither he, nor I, have accused ALL Ukrainians of being Nazis, but denying the Nazi segment of Ukraine and its influence and support is absurd.

1. No

2. As I've stated repeatedly, there is a single Nazi militia of 1k-2k people and the amount of Nazi support in Ukraine is only sufficient to have given Svoboda a single seat in Parliament.  Meanwhile, Putin's personal friend Yevgeny Prigozhin has his own Nazi militia that is at least twice as large as Azov and somehow you never talk about them.  Pretty weird!

[IrishLass]

Heh. I remember when this was one of libs' biggest reasons to oppose Trump.

"He's gonna get us into WWIII!"

The Biden era is filled with irony. And inflation. And inability.

Biden is all about He, Himself and "I."

 

 

[deleted]

12 hours ago, micknaboz said:

I'm still disappointed we can't get a Seal Team to take Putin out.

And a little apprehensive Trump could have divulged in some way classified documents to Putin that could cause us great harm. I mean the only thing those people really care about is money. Anyone around him could have been selling information, and I have no doubt, would.

You're an absolute but.   Let me guess, you've never served in the service, much less combat.  Those of us without combat experience, me included, should shut up before saying such nonsense as your first sentence. 

Use my posts as an exanple if proper decorum. 

 A seal team strike to take Putin could be a one- way trip.  Never mind the repercussions.   Ww1 started from the assassination of an Austrian Archduke.

[HipKat]

19 minutes ago, IrishLass said:

Biden is all about He, Himself and "I."

Sorry, you spelled Trump wrong