Your public school teacher will hide this truth.

[ICRockets2]

56 minutes ago, RichJ said:

 

 

The phrase, "the big lie," was popularized by Adolf Hitler and his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels. The primary purpose of the big lie technique as employed by Hitler and the Nazis was to turn German citizens against the Jews.

The technique worked so well that the Holocaust, resulting in the deaths of upward of eleven million people, including at least six million Jews, became a stain on humanity.

 

https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/The-Republican-and-Democratic-Parties-Did-Not-Switch-Sides-on-Race

You can safely dismiss anything an outlet says if they can't even acknowledge that Nazis were far right.  

[Herodotus]

13 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

You can safely dismiss anything an outlet says if they can't even acknowledge that Nazis were far right.  

This all day long.  

[RichJ]

5 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

You can safely dismiss anything an outlet says if they can't even acknowledge that Nazis were far right.  

You couldn't come up with your own facts to debunk theirs so you find something else. "but,but" Thought so.  Crappy punt attempt. 

[Woody]

[ICRockets2]

6 minutes ago, RichJ said:

You couldn't come up with your own facts to debunk theirs so you find something else. "but,but" Thought so.  Crappy punt attempt. 

It's right there in the article you posted, it says the Nazis weren't right-wing.  If it says that, which is incredibly obviously wrong, then you don't have to treat the rest of their argument seriously.  This isn't a difficult concept for people with at least a double-digit IQ.

[RichJ]

Just now, ICRockets2 said:

It's right there in the article you posted, it says the Nazis weren't right-wing.  If it says that, which is incredibly obviously wrong, then you don't have to treat the rest of their argument seriously.  This isn't a difficult concept for people with at least a double-digit IQ.

You're deflecting away from the big switch garbage.  It was the dems big lie to hide from their past, I mean  present racist character.  From KKK to Biden. All racist. 

[ICRockets2]

3 minutes ago, RichJ said:

You're deflecting away from the big switch garbage.  It was the dems big lie to hide from their past, I mean  present racist character.  From KKK to Biden. All racist. 

No, it's not a deflection.  I've already explained how all of the arguments you've been presenting about this are bad.  I went into that article planning to do it with that too.  But the second you see "the Nazis weren't right wing" you know nothing they're going to say on the subject of political alignment is worth addressing because they've specifically demonstrated a failure to engage with that topic truthfully.  

[RichJ]

25 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

No, it's not a deflection.  I've already explained how all of the arguments you've been presenting about this are bad.  I went into that article planning to do it with that too.  But the second you see "the Nazis weren't right wing" you know nothing they're going to say on the subject of political alignment is worth addressing because they've specifically demonstrated a failure to engage with that topic truthfully.  

Still doesn't change the facts about the stupid switch lie. 

[ICRockets2]

14 minutes ago, RichJ said:

Still doesn't change the facts about the stupid switch lie. 

It's not a lie.  Again, the switch was in VOTERS not in politicians.  Every argument you've presented has been "look, the politicians didn't switch parties".   I don't care.  That's never been the argument historians make.

[HipKat]

Who was or wasn't racist 40, 50, 150 years ago doesn't mean a damn thing. It's a stupid argument to keep trying to push. 

The fact is today, anyone in this country that believes in racist ideals or White Supremacy/Nationalist ideals is in almost all cases voting Republican. 

Fact!

[Herodotus]

1 hour ago, Woody said:

Yes and no.  Here is a short history of civil rights in the 20th century:

1941, December 8, 1941 of all days, FDR's (a Democrat) and his justice department outlawed the intergenerational debt slavery of sharecropping.  He also made lynching a federal crime.  In the 30s he made sure the New Deal programs included blacks.  

1948, Harry Truman integrated the armed forces.  Too few talk about just how important that was.  Jackie Robinson changed the entertainment culture, but integrated military was the first big blow to JIm  Crow and de jure segregation.

1963, JFK and RFK were horrified by what they saw in Selma.  So they set up jjustice department investigations and they championed civil rights and voting rights legislation.  Sadly, because of how fucked up the nation was on race at the time, had Dallas not happened I doubt we see JFK's civil rights legislation pass.  

Was LBJ an asshole who did civil rights legislation for cynical reasons? Without a doubt.  Did he help steer civil rights and voting rights legislation through congress and into law? Yes.  

What happened in 1968? Ever hear of a guy named George Wallace? He ran for president and the dixiecrats left the Democratic Party and joined the Republicans.

1972, the dixiecrats vote for Dick Nixon

1980s, those Dixiecrats become Republicans

1980s through 2000s, every election cycle, you see on tv, "For the first time since the 1860s the Republicans control this state or that.  Sounds good until you look at who the GOP are voting for, well fuck its Dixiecrats.  The conservative racist democrats who opposed everything from TR's square Deal to FDR's New Deal to Truman's Fair Deal, and JFK and LBJ's great society and war on poverty platforms surprise surprise became the most ardent, regressive, racist Republicans.  There is a reason that Siskel and Ebert said Gods and Generals was a civil war movie Trent Lott would love and not say Richard Byrd.  

[Herodotus]

By the way, do you really want to talk racist democrats? I  mean I could show you all the racist shit Lincoln said.  However, unlike you Iknow things you don't.  Things like context.  Lincoln was trying to get elected in a very racist country and he lived in that country in an incredibly racist time.  So I can either be like the schizowoke and say tear down his statues and change things named after him because his ideas on race are not so pure as mine.  Or I can say, he evolved.  He opposed slavery and on race he evolved and because of his leadership the country began its evolution and because of the terrible war he led us through and because of the emancipation proclamation and because of the 13th amendment the nation evolved.  We still have in some things a very long way to go, but you gotta start somewhere and Abe Lincoln, a giant of a man took some giant first steps.  

[ICRockets2]

5 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

By the way, do you really want to talk racist democrats? I  mean I could show you all the racist shit Lincoln said.  However, unlike you Iknow things you don't.  Things like context.  Lincoln was trying to get elected in a very racist country and he lived in that country in an incredibly racist time.  So I can either be like the schizowoke and say tear down his statues and change things named after him because his ideas on race are not so pure as mine.  Or I can say, he evolved.  He opposed slavery and on race he evolved and because of his leadership the country began its evolution and because of the terrible war he led us through and because of the emancipation proclamation and because of the 13th amendment the nation evolved.  We still have in some things a very long way to go, but you gotta start somewhere and Abe Lincoln, a giant of a man took some giant first steps.  

Yep.  One of the least flawed Presidents, which is about the most you can ask an anarchist to say about a President lol

[ICRockets2]

13 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

1941, December 8, 1941 of all days, FDR's (a Democrat) and his justice department outlawed the intergenerational debt slavery of sharecropping.  He also made lynching a federal crime.  In the 30s he made sure the New Deal programs included blacks.  
 

It should be noted, FDR does deserve criticism for a few things.  The Japanese internment camps were indefensible and not all New Deal programs were as inclusive as they could have been at inception.  Most notably, Social Security originally excluded a lot of jobs in the service sector, and those jobs accounted for a lot of the black working class.  However I'm pretty sure in both these cases we're looking at issues with bipartisan support, so you can't really point the finger exclusively at Democrats.  Hell, Huey Long was probably the loudest voice demanding the New Deal go harder than it did, and he was also a Democrat.

[Herodotus]

10 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

It should be noted, FDR does deserve criticism for a few things.  The Japanese internment camps were indefensible and not all New Deal programs were as inclusive as they could have been at inception.  Most notably, Social Security originally excluded a lot of jobs in the service sector, and those jobs accounted for a lot of the black working class.  However I'm pretty sure in both these cases we're looking at issues with bipartisan support, so you can't really point the finger exclusively at Democrats.  Hell, Huey Long was probably the loudest voice demanding the New Deal go harder than it did, and he was also a Democrat.

Very little argument from me.  I had classmates in high school whose grandparents were interred because of FDR.  I was all for Rayguns giving them reparations.  For much the same reason we gave those who were interred reparations we should give Aboriginals and descendants of slaves reparations.  On the flip side of the coin, FDR, much like Lincoln, has his picture in my office.  Yeah, I found his portrait at an estate sale in the middle of Kansas and I bought it and put it in a new frame because for all his faults, which were many (internment camps, the bomb, not taking in Europe's Jews, and packing the court among others) he made this country better and he left this world a better place than he found it.  Same with Lincoln.  Hell same with Truman or Ike.  Same with JFK.  People have flaws.  Sometimes those terrible flaws are exceptions that prove the rule and sometimes they are flaws which show even worse flaws and that the person with those flaws is irredeemable. 

[Woody]

[Philly'sFinest]

On 10/22/2022 at 1:49 PM, HipKat said:

SO all the rednecks that proudly display confederate flags and openly talk about keeping black people out of the town I live in aren't racists?

There's extremes on both sides. Doesn't mean the country is racist. Most people aren't judging people based off of the color of their skin. 

There's racists in the hood that hate whitey...just like there's rednecks in the south that hate blacks.

But one side is always to blame in this current version of America 

[ICRockets2]

2 hours ago, Philly'sFinest said:

 Most people aren't judging people based off of the color of their skin. 

There's racists in the hood that hate whitey...just like there's rednecks in the south that hate blacks.

 

These are both true statements.  The problem is, we don't need MOST people to do it for it to have an effect on government policy.  Again I point you to Lee Atwater's "Southern Strategy":

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

You're right that there are black people in the hood who hate whitey.  You're right that this racism is just as bad as any other racism.  But it's important to remember that the white racists have had pieces of garbage like this as a major player in Republican politics and the Nixon Administration, and black racists in the hood have very fucking obviously never had a government official anywhere near as influential as he.  The institutional impact of black-on-white racism is NOTHING.  It is CRUMBS.  The institutional impact of white-on-black racism is well-documented throughout US history.  It has been pervasive, and it persists today in ways many conservatives AND liberals refuse to acknowledge.

[HipKat]

6 hours ago, Philly'sFinest said:

There's extremes on both sides. Doesn't mean the country is racist. Most people aren't judging people based off of the color of their skin. 

There's racists in the hood that hate whitey...just like there's rednecks in the south that hate blacks.

But one side is always to blame in this current version of America 

True that about "one side" and it's bullshit. It all comes down to on deniable truth; Compare any black neighborhood to any white neighborhood and tell me where the crime is.

[ICRockets2]

2 hours ago, HipKat said:

True that about "one side" and it's bullshit. It all comes down to on deniable truth; Compare any black neighborhood to any white neighborhood and tell me where the crime is.

If you had 2 IDENTICAL neighborhoods in terms of the availability of resources and the income level of its residents, and the only difference was one was a white neighborhood and one was a black neighborhood, what do you think we'd see in the relative crime rates of those 2 neighborhoods?

[HipKat]

58 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

If you had 2 IDENTICAL neighborhoods in terms of the availability of resources and the income level of its residents, and the only difference was one was a white neighborhood and one was a black neighborhood, what do you think we'd see in the relative crime rates of those 2 neighborhoods?

Absolutely, if both sides and equal amounts of desire to take it vantage of those resources. Unfortunately in the black community it’s become a way of life to depend on social services pass down through generations. There is not the same push to succeed by using the tools that are out there to climb the ladder.

and they’ve created their own vicious circle. Because they’ve chosen to except a life of handouts and crime, they have blackballed themselves from being taken as seriously when it comes to something as simple as finding a job.

it’s like one of my favorite movies, the Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. Who ironically, the last guy I train is from Boone county West Virginia and this family are his cousins. Which is not surprising if you knew him.

The white family, Boone county West Virginia coal mining country, have a reputation of taking advantage of the disability and welfare system. They don’t work. The criminals. Throughout generations they’ve been guilty of murder, extortion, burglary, drug dealing, etc.

their reputation is so bad that in that region, if your name is white, you’re not going to get a job because business owners just assume you’re going to steal from them.

And that’s how it is in the black community

[RichJ]

11 hours ago, Woody said:

 

[f8ta1ity54]

20 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Absolutely, if both sides and equal amounts of desire to take it vantage of those resources. Unfortunately in the black community it’s become a way of life to depend on social services pass down through generations. There is not the same push to succeed by using the tools that are out there to climb the ladder.

If this is true, why do you think it is?

20 minutes ago, HipKat said:

and they’ve created their own vicious circle.

How so? When specifically, did it start?

20 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Because they’ve chosen to except a life of handouts and crime, they have blackballed themselves from being taken as seriously when it comes to something as simple as finding a job.

So you believe that black people choose to live a life of poverty and crime because that's what they want? How much does historical racism and present-day power structures play into this?

20 minutes ago, HipKat said:

it’s like one of my favorite movies, the Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. Who ironically, the last guy I train is from Boone county West Virginia and this family are his cousins. Which is not surprising if you knew him.

The white family, Boone county West Virginia coal mining country, have a reputation of taking advantage of the disability and welfare system. They don’t work. The criminals. Throughout generations they’ve been guilty of murder, extortion, burglary, drug dealing, etc.

their reputation is so bad that in that region, if your name is white, you’re not going to get a job because business owners just assume you’re going to steal from them.

And that’s how it is in the black community

What was the reputation of blacks among whites for the last 150 years? Did blacks do that to themselves? How much does historical racism and present-day power structures play into this?

Sorry man, but this is some pretty racist shit. Ghetto culture is toxic, but ghetto culture is the result of policy made by the people in power, which is mostly white people. What kind of culture do you think will come out of a community that is targeted by police, ignored by politicians in terms of education and resource distribution, and who is and has been historically been disenfranchised? Are we really surprised that these policies have created people who are angry at society, angry at police and government authority? Are we surprised that people in poverty will resort to gang banging because they have very little education, job skills, or even access to decent employment? You're essentially just victim blaming and telling these people to put on their bootstraps. These people dont choose to be born and raised in these conditions. They don't choose to just be violent criminals. They are pushed in that direction by society and every policy failure from this country's inception. Shit, white record executives helped glorify ghetto culture and made billions of dollars while doing so.   

If you want to talk some ghetto black guy and tell him he needs to get his shit together, and do the whole bootstraps thing, sure, I get it. Every person is different, and they have their own history that explains why they are where they are in life. Personal responsibility can go a long way, no one disputes that. But, saying that all of the black community, brings this shit on themselves is absolute ignorance and ahistorical. 

[HipKat]

2 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

If this is true, why do you think it is?

it does not matter why. What matters is why it still is

2 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

How so? When specifically, did it start?

See above. It does not matter when it started.

2 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

So you believe that black people choose to live a life of poverty and crime because that's what they want? How much does historical racism and present-day power structures play into this?

I think that they don’t, in many cases, consider anything else other than living off of the social welfare system because they have a defeatist attitude, not completely unfounded, that if they try to take advantage of whatever is out there to escape that generational inbreeding, they’ll be rejected. And they probably will. I would imagine that going way back in time when the government was doing whatever it felt was righteous in helping Black people by giving them, the old 40 acres and a mule call mom to be symbolic 

2 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

What was the reputation of blacks among whites for the last 150 years? Did blacks do that to themselves? How much does historical racism and present-day power structures play into this?

Sorry man, but this is some pretty racist shit. Ghetto culture is toxic, but ghetto culture is the result of policy made by the people in power, which is mostly white people.
 

and see, this is where we separate because whatever it was that happened 200 years ago, 150 years ago, 100 years ago or 50 years ago, that was then this is now in Black people have done nothing for themselves except in individual cases. As a whole, the inner-city black community is targeted by police because that’s where the crime is. 

how many times if you hurt somebody from the hood say that they see drug dealers with a lot of money, a lot of girls, they see cars and they think why would I wanna go get a job when I can sell drugs and have this? So how is that the white man’s fault?

part of the problem nowadays, is that ghetto culture has become mainstream. So is that giving Black people the incentive to change? Like I’ve posted on here before. A man I know who is black and lives in the hood wants told me that white people need to change their perception of the black community and I said no Black people need to change the white man’s perception of the black community.

Morgan Freeman was once interviewed by Don Lemon and asked about racism in America and his reply was to Don, it’s people like you that keep racism going in America by constantly talking about it and not doing anything about it. Morgan Freeman said for 50 years I never heard of racism until people like you started asking me about it

2 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

 

[RichJ]

15 hours ago, Herodotus said:

1980s, those Dixiecrats become Republicans

 

 

Tell us, How many ? Heres your list. 

 

Dixiecrat list:

1. Orval Fabus
2. Benjamin Travis Laney
3. John Stennis
4. James Eastland
5. Allen Ellender
6. Russell Long
7. John Sparkman
8. John McClellan
9. Richard Russell
10. Herman Talmadge
11. George Wallace
12. Lester Maddox
13. John Rarick
14. Robert Byrd
15. Al Gore, Sr.
16. Bull Connor
17. Strom Thurmon
18. Jesse Helms
19. Mills Godwin