How much trust should we put into what the government and the media say?

[jc856]

10 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said:

This is a big one, and it's lost on the leftist retards here

everybody has them.

It’s common for people to recognize biases in other people and not themselves.

[shiva2999]

3 minutes ago, jc856 said:

Well, if he isn’t a bad person, then, why the fuck did they make me go to school?
 

Is everything a lie?

https://www.google.com/search?q=argumentum+ad+absurdum&oq=argumentam+ad+absur&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.16935j0j7&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Reductio ad absurdum is also known as "reducing to an absurdity." It involves characterizing an opposing argument in such a way that it seems to be ridiculous, or the consequences of the position seem ridiculous.

[shiva2999]

5 minutes ago, jc856 said:

everybody has them.

It’s common for people to recognize biases in other people and not themselves.

True, but that reality doesn't justify their existence in any particular situation.

[ICRockets2]

3 hours ago, Herodotus said:

 

Rape campa in Serbia

 

I'd like to see your evidence that this was fake, please.

[shiva2999]

9 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

I'd like to see your evidence that this was fake, please.

What's your evidence it was true?

[ICRockets2]

33 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

What's your evidence it was true?

Literally everything I've seen on the subject

[micknaboz]

4 hours ago, Herodotus said:

Sorry, I remember incubator babies in 1990

Rape campa in Serbia

Spectre type cave networks in Tora Bora

Vials of anthrax in 2003 being a smoking gun

Everyone from the shit libs at the NY Times and Compost and CNN to the neocons on Fox masturbating to shock and awe

"Embedded journalists"

Being told by our propaganda hacks that Bagdadh Bob was a propagandist

Bryan Williams jizzing his pants when we shot missiles at Syria

ISIS winning an Oscar

Wanna try again?

Yeah some of those are true (as far as I know)  but one had to have  been a fool to have believed most or  all of them. Shit Happens!   How many were you sucked into? And you're putting up a NYT-Fox false equivalency.   Really?  what?  WTF ???!    You true color is making an appearance. This is kind of what Sparky devolved into. We're in shit cuz  people don't pay attention and even when they do they don't take any action. And don't give me any bs how we can't change things.  We stopped Vietnam for one. 

Trust!  lmao  Try some discernment.

[Herodotus]

15 minutes ago, jc856 said:

Well, if he isn’t a bad person, then, why the fuck did they make me go to school?
 

Is everything a lie?

Look, he made lots of mistakes.  I will give you collectivization of agriculture set back the Soviet economy for decades.  What I will never concede is the Ukrainian bullshit (@Shiva2999 please post that excellent article) that there was a Holodomor aka a targeted ethnic cleansing of Ukes through famine.  After all, per Steven Kotkin's Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, Kazakhstan suffered the most deaths in collectivization, and Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus also had enormous deaths because collectivization was a shit show, but then the USSR didn't have much to export to fund industrialization so what else were they supposed to sell?  Further, Stalin did admit as much that Collectivization was a horror in his 1930 Dizzy with Success speech just two years into his 5 year agricultural plan.  Sadly, in the tragedy that was collectivization he eased up on the grain and live stock requesitions which were so devestating to all the republics of the USSR (again Kazakhstan was the hardest hit republic), he was blind sided by his own communist ideology (and ICWeenie he most certainly was a communist, I have read his works and I assure you he was) and so when one of the worst human beings of the 20th century -Ukrainian junk scientist Trofim Lysenko - told him basically that agriculture in socialist states adhered to socialist ideas and so unlike in the capitalist countries where seeds compete, they will cooperate and increase yields in the USSR.  Well, when you tell Stalin something  that sounded hopeful you get listened to and then if you are a farmer and you say Lysenko is a horrible man and a worse moron you got arrested for going against state policy for possibly being counter revolutionary.  So yes, the famine and the some 5 to 8 million who died because of the Ukrainian con artist Trofim Lysenko (who after being fired by Brezhnev in the mid 1960s proceeded to go to China and fuck up their agriculutural sector killing 20 to 30 million in the process (so yes Lysenko may well be the most lethal human being of the 20th century, I am surprised the Ukrainians haven't named a street after him).  

Ah ha! You admit that stalin caused Holodomor!!! No, as the article Shiva will post shows Holodomor was designed to white wash Ukraine's collaboration with Nazi Germany in perpetuating the horrible evil that is the Holocaust.  Its a great piece, I hope he posts it here.  Collectivization was a bad, but understandable policy.  A lot of people got killed, but that is more Trofim Lysenko's fault than anything.  Buh duh derp, whadabout the purges? Well, have ya ever heard of the Abwehr? That would be German military intelligence.  Well, in 1937 the Abwehr planted reports in their embassy in Prague that there was in the works what Stalin, in his paranoia (the best Russian leaders have always been a bit paranoid, politics is a dirty and bloody game the world over and always has been and Russia was no different), feared the most.  Namely, a party coup backed by the military and secret police.  Stalin, and the feeling in the USSR had been that there would be a war against the Soviet state by some combination of imperialist powers led by the UK and France since at least the war scare of 1927 and maybe even as far back as the foreign intervention during the Russian civil war, feared that the USSR would be attacked by surprise and that counterrevolutionaries would play a role in it.  So when his intel agents reported that his generals, secret police and party leadership were plotting against him and working with the Germans (and this made since because in the 1920s the Germans were working with Soviet party and military leadership to jumpstart the German economy and to circumvent Versailles) he acted out of fear and suspicion.  A lot of good men did lose their lives.  However, wait its a bit more complicated than that.  There is some current scholarship (well maybe not 2020-22, as of the mid 2010s) that Tukhachevsky, the best known victim of the purges of the Red Army may well have been conspiring with the Wehrmacht at taking out Stalin.  

Ah ha! Well wait, I know, I gotcha now Gibbster, MOLOTOV RIBBENTROP MOTHERFUCKER.  I WIN!!!! Nope, you don't win shit.  First lets establish the mindset in the Kremlin.  1927;s War Scare convinced Stalin that a western coalition led by Britain and France to attack the USSR was in formation.  In fact this scare led Tukhachevsky to write a study called "Preparing for Future War." You can see this at the Army War College Library in Ft. Leavenworth, KS.  This study led to the five year plans and the collectivization disaster seen above, and explains why there was collectivization, grain and livestock seizures, and crash industrialization.  Namely, Tukhachevksy's study called for a highly mechanized army, powerful air force, and large army that would defend the Soviet people.  However, after the devestation of 3 years of world war, a year of revolution, and 4 years of civil war, the Soviet industrial infrastructure required to support such a military force was non existant.  Well, by 1937 Stalin had been deceived by the most effective psyop of the 20th century to decapitate his army and intel network and so he was desperate to avoid war.  Unfortunately, geopolitical realities stymied his hope.  In 1938 at Munich, Stalin saw almost every fear he had come about.  France and Great Britain were in the room with Germany carving up Czechoslovakia and cutting away the Sudetenland where most Czech industry and defensive fortifications were located.  Stalin saw the European wide imperialist coalition of his nightmares coming to fruition and he knew it had to be broken at all costs.  By the way, before you all say buh he was mean to Poland after reading the next couple of sentences, please remember Poland also helped itself to land from the Czech carcass.  So in Summer 1939 Stalin reached out to Britain and France for a security assurance pact that would isolate Germany and prevent the imperialist coalition.  When Molotov came to them to talk they met him with low level diplomats and basically did what Stoltenberg and Biden did to Putin, they laughed him off and dismissed his appeal.  So Stalin signed a Faustian deal,  He would sign a pact with Hitler so that Hitler would have to fight the west.  Remember, his whole logic was based on the notion that Europe was under the control of an Imperialist coalition led by Britain and France, and also consisting of Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Rumania, Bulgaria, and Hungary. Really, the geopolitical situation of early 1939 was not all that different from the geopolitical situation of February 2022, and nor was the thinking.  Which is why if you actually took the time to read the Rand Corporation's 2019 study, (which you can read here as I posted it on this site) you would see how evil it is because the study said we should play on Russia's fears to extend her.  Anyway, back to Stalin.  He made his faustian deal.  He inked a non aggression pact with Hitler that would push Germany several hundred miles west and bring the Baltic republics under Soviet control, and as we saw in 1941, Stalin needed every single month of peace that he knew would not last and all but 12 of the miles he bought with the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact.  Now before you say, he stabbed Poland in the back because he was mean my fine schizowoke fiends, do keep in mind that (and it has long been a leading argument in defense of Neville Chamberlain's knifing the Czechs in the back at Munich) that British historians make no secret that Munich bought the RAF time to get the Spitfire in production and available in numbers.

The war, Stalin's fault!!!!! The war!!!! Smoking gun 30 millions dead!!!! All Stalin, I gotcha now Gibby!  You don't have shit.  One of the reasons Stalin ignored Richard Sorge and the Red Orchestra's warnings of an invasion in 1941 was because of the Abwehr's psyop from 1937.  I can understand why so many of you repeat nonsense you saw on tv even when anyone with a brain can see what you are regurgitating is nonsense.  Hell, it happened to Stalin in regard to Sorge.  Sorge's name was on the list of agents who may have operated for the Germans.  Worse, when Stalin asked Sorge to come back to Moscow from Tokyo where he (Sorge) was operating as a German journalist) Sorge told him such a trip was impossible at the moment.  Sorge's mistrust was due to Stalin decapitating his military intel network because of the Abwehr's psyop.  So when Sorge said the Germans would attack between June 21 and 23 1941 Stalin told him to go fuck his mother.  Now there was another reason Stalin hoped the war would not come.  As a communist, he knew the importance of economy and industry.  His industrial commissars told him that the USSR would not be ready to fight Germany until 1943 (oddly enough, 1943 was the year the Soviets took the offensive and would keep the initiative until the great victory in Berlin in 1945) as modern tanks, planes, and artillery were not yet available in sufficient numbers.  

But the 30 milion Soviet dead all his fault!!!! Well do keep in mind that the Soviet Front was Germany's main focus.  I will show Col. Glantz and Jonathan House videos until you get through your thick fucking skulls that Hitler overwhelmingly put his air power, panzerkorps, and best divisions in the east.  Of course the Soviets lost so many men and women and children.  They bore the brunt of the best army in the world in 1941.  When you are in a life and death struggle against Nazis you will lose lots and lots of soldiers.  You will win the war because Hitler had a hilariously bad logistics network and lend lease gave the Soviets gas and trucks to bring forward their weapons and logistics trains (in fact, if you want to point to the most important allied war effort in Europe, it was lend lease to the USSR), but you are going against the best army in Europe with lieutenants becoming senior military officers almost overnight during the purges and so yes, terrible and tragic mistakes will be made.  Did I say the Abwehr's 1937 psyop was the most effective one of the 20th century?

Oh but Gibby, they raped the frau fraus.  Just like their great grandkids in Ukraine! You're a bad person a fascist even if you don't discuss that! Well, there's only about four problems with that one, all of them kinda big.  First, did you see what the Germans did in occupied Europe or is your memory informed by the CIA's decades long post war smear campaign so selective that you forgot what Germany did in the Reichskommisariats that comprised occupied areas of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia?  Second, while Stalin and Zhukov did encourage looting  which was lamentable, but rape was quickly made a capital offense in the Red Army.  Yeah, you know the little shit who is in a Siberian prison camp now after allegedly raping a baby in Ukraine? Well if this had been the Great Fatherland War, that guy is given a field trial where the accusation is read against him and he is shot DEAD! Third, the CIA histories have overstated the amount of rapes.  Hell, we even hear the same numbers today from Russian force Viagara where 100,000 Russians raped 2 million "Ukrainian" women.  Damn, no wonder they haven't taken any Ukrainian territory.  All their energy has been spent fucking.  Seriously, while its a terrible tragedy, yes I am sure that rape has happened in Ukraine.  I am also sure that both Ukrainians and Russians have raped those in territories captured or retaken.  Its war, war is a terrible thing and when you have lots of testosterone laden young men who are very angry and been fed months or years of propaganda telling them to destroy the fascist beast you will get terrible things happening.  Same for occupied Germany.  Yes, there was rape there.  However, the numbers are a bit overstated, and then lets see who did the rape.  German rape victims all said the same.  The first wave, the professional soldiers respected the laws of war.  They stole and drank but they left us alone, but they warned us about the occupation forces and said those guys were real pigs.  Who were the occupation forces.  Do I have to tell or can you guess? Yup, they were Ukrainians and Belarussians for the most part and they repaid German women hard for the devestation inflicted on their cities, villiages, and collectives.  Lastly, German feminist and historian Maria Gephardt states that in the last period of the war and early occupation that British and American troops raped some 300,000 German women.  The Daily Mail smeared her and called it a smear job, but well again history doesn't care about your feel feels and nor do I. 

Buh Gibbster, oh God what is it now? Umm derp the, yeah lets say it together, the post war carving up of Europe and putting communist governments in control of the east bloc.  Well Stalin did agree to democratic governments, but that would be friendly to Russia because the whole point of the East Bloc and the Warsaw pact was to provide a buffer of friendly pro Moscow states that would prevent war and build up socialism/communism in Europe.  Stalin did give them democracy.  Much like our democracy where we can vote one band of right wing authoritarians or another, you had your choice in eastern Europe of one band of Stalin stooges or another.  

Buh he occupied Eastern Europe with miltiary force, and we occupied it with miltary force.  We also trained nazis like Stepan Bandera to wage about a decade of devestating and ruinous guerilla warfare in western Ukraine. 

Oh buh Gibbster you're just a bad person fuck you ya fascist you are a kremlin stooge I win, and you hate mercuh liberal democracy and I win.  

Sigh, stay uninformed schizowoke feinds.  Stay uninformed. 

[Herodotus]

2 minutes ago, micknaboz said:

Yeah some of those are true (as far as I know)  but one had to have  been a fool to have believed most or  all of them. Shit Happens!   How many were you sucked into? And you're putting up a NYT-Fox false equivalency.   Really?  what?  WTF ???!    You true color is making an appearance. This is kind of what Sparky devolved into. We're in shit cuz  people don't pay attention and even when they do they don't take any action. And don't give me any bs how we can't change things.  We stopped Vietnam for one. 

Trust!  lmao  Try some discernment.

I was only sold Iraq 2.0.  Powell's anthrax vials and the equivocation of Afghanistan and Iraq a little over a year after 9/11 seemed to make sense.  That's before I started applying the bullshit test and scrutenizing every lie.  Over time that grew tiresome and it became just as easy to dismiss the allegation as a lie as soon as it was made and just as correct.  

[micknaboz]

The guy could write some lyrics. Exceptional, imho.

 

[jc856]

9 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Look, he made lots of mistakes.  I will give you collectivization of agriculture set back the Soviet economy for decades.  What I will never concede is the Ukrainian bullshit (@Shiva2999 please post that excellent article) that there was a Holodomor aka a targeted ethnic cleansing of Ukes through famine.  After all, per Steven Kotkin's Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, Kazakhstan suffered the most deaths in collectivization, and Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus also had enormous deaths because collectivization was a shit show, but then the USSR didn't have much to export to fund industrialization so what else were they supposed to sell?  Further, Stalin did admit as much that Collectivization was a horror in his 1930 Dizzy with Success speech just two years into his 5 year agricultural plan.  Sadly, in the tragedy that was collectivization he eased up on the grain and live stock requesitions which were so devestating to all the republics of the USSR (again Kazakhstan was the hardest hit republic), he was blind sided by his own communist ideology (and ICWeenie he most certainly was a communist, I have read his works and I assure you he was) and so when one of the worst human beings of the 20th century -Ukrainian junk scientist Trofim Lysenko - told him basically that agriculture in socialist states adhered to socialist ideas and so unlike in the capitalist countries where seeds compete, they will cooperate and increase yields in the USSR.  Well, when you tell Stalin something  that sounded hopeful you get listened to and then if you are a farmer and you say Lysenko is a horrible man and a worse moron you got arrested for going against state policy for possibly being counter revolutionary.  So yes, the famine and the some 5 to 8 million who died because of the Ukrainian con artist Trofim Lysenko (who after being fired by Brezhnev in the mid 1960s proceeded to go to China and fuck up their agriculutural sector killing 20 to 30 million in the process (so yes Lysenko may well be the most lethal human being of the 20th century, I am surprised the Ukrainians haven't named a street after him).  

Ah ha! You admit that stalin caused Holodomor!!! No, as the article Shiva will post shows Holodomor was designed to white wash Ukraine's collaboration with Nazi Germany in perpetuating the horrible evil that is the Holocaust.  Its a great piece, I hope he posts it here.  Collectivization was a bad, but understandable policy.  A lot of people got killed, but that is more Trofim Lysenko's fault than anything.  Buh duh derp, whadabout the purges? Well, have ya ever heard of the Abwehr? That would be German military intelligence.  Well, in 1937 the Abwehr planted reports in their embassy in Prague that there was in the works what Stalin, in his paranoia (the best Russian leaders have always been a bit paranoid, politics is a dirty and bloody game the world over and always has been and Russia was no different), feared the most.  Namely, a party coup backed by the military and secret police.  Stalin, and the feeling in the USSR had been that there would be a war against the Soviet state by some combination of imperialist powers led by the UK and France since at least the war scare of 1927 and maybe even as far back as the foreign intervention during the Russian civil war, feared that the USSR would be attacked by surprise and that counterrevolutionaries would play a role in it.  So when his intel agents reported that his generals, secret police and party leadership were plotting against him and working with the Germans (and this made since because in the 1920s the Germans were working with Soviet party and military leadership to jumpstart the German economy and to circumvent Versailles) he acted out of fear and suspicion.  A lot of good men did lose their lives.  However, wait its a bit more complicated than that.  There is some current scholarship (well maybe not 2020-22, as of the mid 2010s) that Tukhachevsky, the best known victim of the purges of the Red Army may well have been conspiring with the Wehrmacht at taking out Stalin.  

Ah ha! Well wait, I know, I gotcha now Gibbster, MOLOTOV RIBBENTROP MOTHERFUCKER.  I WIN!!!! Nope, you don't win shit.  First lets establish the mindset in the Kremlin.  1927;s War Scare convinced Stalin that a western coalition led by Britain and France to attack the USSR was in formation.  In fact this scare led Tukhachevsky to write a study called "Preparing for Future War." You can see this at the Army War College Library in Ft. Leavenworth, KS.  This study led to the five year plans and the collectivization disaster seen above, and explains why there was collectivization, grain and livestock seizures, and crash industrialization.  Namely, Tukhachevksy's study called for a highly mechanized army, powerful air force, and large army that would defend the Soviet people.  However, after the devestation of 3 years of world war, a year of revolution, and 4 years of civil war, the Soviet industrial infrastructure required to support such a military force was non existant.  Well, by 1937 Stalin had been deceived by the most effective psyop of the 20th century to decapitate his army and intel network and so he was desperate to avoid war.  Unfortunately, geopolitical realities stymied his hope.  In 1938 at Munich, Stalin saw almost every fear he had come about.  France and Great Britain were in the room with Germany carving up Czechoslovakia and cutting away the Sudetenland where most Czech industry and defensive fortifications were located.  Stalin saw the European wide imperialist coalition of his nightmares coming to fruition and he knew it had to be broken at all costs.  By the way, before you all say buh he was mean to Poland after reading the next couple of sentences, please remember Poland also helped itself to land from the Czech carcass.  So in Summer 1939 Stalin reached out to Britain and France for a security assurance pact that would isolate Germany and prevent the imperialist coalition.  When Molotov came to them to talk they met him with low level diplomats and basically did what Stoltenberg and Biden did to Putin, they laughed him off and dismissed his appeal.  So Stalin signed a Faustian deal,  He would sign a pact with Hitler so that Hitler would have to fight the west.  Remember, his whole logic was based on the notion that Europe was under the control of an Imperialist coalition led by Britain and France, and also consisting of Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Rumania, Bulgaria, and Hungary. Really, the geopolitical situation of early 1939 was not all that different from the geopolitical situation of February 2022, and nor was the thinking.  Which is why if you actually took the time to read the Rand Corporation's 2019 study, (which you can read here as I posted it on this site) you would see how evil it is because the study said we should play on Russia's fears to extend her.  Anyway, back to Stalin.  He made his faustian deal.  He inked a non aggression pact with Hitler that would push Germany several hundred miles west and bring the Baltic republics under Soviet control, and as we saw in 1941, Stalin needed every single month of peace that he knew would not last and all but 12 of the miles he bought with the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact.  Now before you say, he stabbed Poland in the back because he was mean my fine schizowoke fiends, do keep in mind that (and it has long been a leading argument in defense of Neville Chamberlain's knifing the Czechs in the back at Munich) that British historians make no secret that Munich bought the RAF time to get the Spitfire in production and available in numbers.

The war, Stalin's fault!!!!! The war!!!! Smoking gun 30 millions dead!!!! All Stalin, I gotcha now Gibby!  You don't have shit.  One of the reasons Stalin ignored Richard Sorge and the Red Orchestra's warnings of an invasion in 1941 was because of the Abwehr's psyop from 1937.  I can understand why so many of you repeat nonsense you saw on tv even when anyone with a brain can see what you are regurgitating is nonsense.  Hell, it happened to Stalin in regard to Sorge.  Sorge's name was on the list of agents who may have operated for the Germans.  Worse, when Stalin asked Sorge to come back to Moscow from Tokyo where he (Sorge) was operating as a German journalist) Sorge told him such a trip was impossible at the moment.  Sorge's mistrust was due to Stalin decapitating his military intel network because of the Abwehr's psyop.  So when Sorge said the Germans would attack between June 21 and 23 1941 Stalin told him to go fuck his mother.  Now there was another reason Stalin hoped the war would not come.  As a communist, he knew the importance of economy and industry.  His industrial commissars told him that the USSR would not be ready to fight Germany until 1943 (oddly enough, 1943 was the year the Soviets took the offensive and would keep the initiative until the great victory in Berlin in 1945) as modern tanks, planes, and artillery were not yet available in sufficient numbers.  

But the 30 milion Soviet dead all his fault!!!! Well do keep in mind that the Soviet Front was Germany's main focus.  I will show Col. Glantz and Jonathan House videos until you get through your thick fucking skulls that Hitler overwhelmingly put his air power, panzerkorps, and best divisions in the east.  Of course the Soviets lost so many men and women and children.  They bore the brunt of the best army in the world in 1941.  When you are in a life and death struggle against Nazis you will lose lots and lots of soldiers.  You will win the war because Hitler had a hilariously bad logistics network and lend lease gave the Soviets gas and trucks to bring forward their weapons and logistics trains (in fact, if you want to point to the most important allied war effort in Europe, it was lend lease to the USSR), but you are going against the best army in Europe with lieutenants becoming senior military officers almost overnight during the purges and so yes, terrible and tragic mistakes will be made.  Did I say the Abwehr's 1937 psyop was the most effective one of the 20th century?

Oh but Gibby, they raped the frau fraus.  Just like their great grandkids in Ukraine! You're a bad person a fascist even if you don't discuss that! Well, there's only about four problems with that one, all of them kinda big.  First, did you see what the Germans did in occupied Europe or is your memory informed by the CIA's decades long post war smear campaign so selective that you forgot what Germany did in the Reichskommisariats that comprised occupied areas of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia?  Second, while Stalin and Zhukov did encourage looting  which was lamentable, but rape was quickly made a capital offense in the Red Army.  Yeah, you know the little shit who is in a Siberian prison camp now after allegedly raping a baby in Ukraine? Well if this had been the Great Fatherland War, that guy is given a field trial where the accusation is read against him and he is shot DEAD! Third, the CIA histories have overstated the amount of rapes.  Hell, we even hear the same numbers today from Russian force Viagara where 100,000 Russians raped 2 million "Ukrainian" women.  Damn, no wonder they haven't taken any Ukrainian territory.  All their energy has been spent fucking.  Seriously, while its a terrible tragedy, yes I am sure that rape has happened in Ukraine.  I am also sure that both Ukrainians and Russians have raped those in territories captured or retaken.  Its war, war is a terrible thing and when you have lots of testosterone laden young men who are very angry and been fed months or years of propaganda telling them to destroy the fascist beast you will get terrible things happening.  Same for occupied Germany.  Yes, there was rape there.  However, the numbers are a bit overstated, and then lets see who did the rape.  German rape victims all said the same.  The first wave, the professional soldiers respected the laws of war.  They stole and drank but they left us alone, but they warned us about the occupation forces and said those guys were real pigs.  Who were the occupation forces.  Do I have to tell or can you guess? Yup, they were Ukrainians and Belarussians for the most part and they repaid German women hard for the devestation inflicted on their cities, villiages, and collectives.  Lastly, German feminist and historian Maria Gephardt states that in the last period of the war and early occupation that British and American troops raped some 300,000 German women.  The Daily Mail smeared her and called it a smear job, but well again history doesn't care about your feel feels and nor do I. 

Buh Gibbster, oh God what is it now? Umm derp the, yeah lets say it together, the post war carving up of Europe and putting communist governments in control of the east bloc.  Well Stalin did agree to democratic governments, but that would be friendly to Russia because the whole point of the East Bloc and the Warsaw pact was to provide a buffer of friendly pro Moscow states that would prevent war and build up socialism/communism in Europe.  Stalin did give them democracy.  Much like our democracy where we can vote one band of right wing authoritarians or another, you had your choice in eastern Europe of one band of Stalin stooges or another.  

Buh he occupied Eastern Europe with miltiary force, and we occupied it with miltary force.  We also trained nazis like Stepan Bandera to wage about a decade of devestating and ruinous guerilla warfare in western Ukraine. 

Oh buh Gibbster you're just a bad person fuck you ya fascist you are a kremlin stooge I win, and you hate mercuh liberal democracy and I win.  

Sigh, stay uninformed schizowoke feinds.  Stay uninformed. 

[Herodotus]

1 minute ago, jc856 said:

Oh that's right, I keep forgetting that in our country ignorance is seen as a virtue.

[HipKat]

7 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

How are you able to distinguish between the truth and the lies?

What process do you use?

Easy. Left-wing, truth. Right wing, lies.

 

{{{KIDDING}}}

[jc856]

J/K, H, reading now…

[micknaboz]

1 hour ago, Philly'sFinest said:

This is a big one, and it's lost on the leftist retards here

Dude! Why do you get like that? You find it impossible to respond to an intelligent post with an intelligent answer?  wtf Most of your posts are just stupid sixth grade name calling bs.

[Herodotus]

Fraud, Famine, and Fascism - The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard (rationalrevolution.net)

[shiva2999]

3 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Fraud, Famine, and Fascism - The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard (rationalrevolution.net)

I just read the thread.

Is that the article you were referring to?

[Thebowflexbody]

7 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

How are you able to distinguish between the truth and the lies?

What process do you use?

Our government and press are both very corrupt.

[Herodotus]

2 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

I just read the thread.

Is that the article you were referring to?

Yup, I remember Tottle