Angry Byrds Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 57 minutes ago, HipKat said: When a soldier comes home from war, haunted by the violence and horror, or injured from battle and dies, did he not die because of the war? Yes, but not if he committed suicide 3 years later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: Yes, but not if he committed suicide 3 years later Oh, PTSD and nightmares have a time limit?? There are Vietnam vets who still wake up in the middle of the night, unsure of where they are, heart racing in a panic. 1 Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, HipKat said: Oh, PTSD and nightmares have a time limit?? There are Vietnam vets who still wake up in the middle of the night, unsure of where they are, heart racing in a panic. Yeah I know this I have an uncle who is still suicidal after all these years. But having PTSD is way different than being gunned down, especially when no guns were fired. We are not going to agree on this. There is no way you can convince me that 6 people who died after the event is equal to that of violent protestors beating and killing and looting and burning. Way more people were effected in all those cities than what happened at the capital. What you are saying is “wow, then you must not care about the people at the capital”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 4 hours ago, LIBills said: A football message board doesn't need a troll like you. FWIW I agree with this. The amount of call-out threads Tonya makes is beyond the pale. It reminds me of the constant thread creation JLB used to do, and if I recall correctly JLB is Woody now, hence why my personal theory is that Woody is Tonya. One thing I'm absolutely certain of: Tonya is NOT a liberal, it is a conservative cosplaying as one. Either way, the spamming needs to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: Yeah I know this I have an uncle who is still suicidal after all these years. But having PTSD is way different than being gunned down, especially when no guns were fired. We are not going to agree on this. There is no way you can convince me that 6 people who died after the event is equal to that of violent protestors beating and killing and looting and burning. Way more people were effected in all those cities than what happened at the capital. What you are saying is “wow, then you must not care about the people at the capital”. Is there EVER a justification for rioting, looting, and burning in your opinion? How bad do things have to get for that to be a reaction you're sympathetic to? I'll give an example. There was a military coup in Myanmar last year that sparked massive protests. Do you believe the citizens of a country that had their government overthrown could have valid reasons to cause property damage? If not, why? What do you propose they do differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc856 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: FWIW I agree with this. The amount of call-out threads Tonya makes is beyond the pale. It reminds me of the constant thread creation JLB used to do, and if I recall correctly JLB is Woody now, hence why my personal theory is that Woody is Tonya. One thing I'm absolutely certain of: Tonya is NOT a liberal, it is a conservative cosplaying as one. Either way, the spamming needs to stop. How do you think this will happen on a board with no rules, tos, nada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: FWIW I agree with this. The amount of call-out threads Tonya makes is beyond the pale. It reminds me of the constant thread creation JLB used to do, and if I recall correctly JLB is Woody now, hence why my personal theory is that Woody is Tonya. One thing I'm absolutely certain of: Tonya is NOT a liberal, it is a conservative cosplaying as one. Either way, the spamming needs to stop. I'm JLB? LOL! -AND- I'm Tonya? LOL! I'm neither one of those people, but one thing is for sure and that is you're fucking retarded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc856 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Woody said: I'm JLB? LOL! -AND- I'm Tonya? LOL! I'm neither one of those people, but one thing is for sure and that is you're fucking retarded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, jc856 said: How do you think this will happen on a board with no rules, tos, nada? I don't. That's why I think boards with no TOS and no enforcement of said TOS are bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Woody said: I'm JLB? LOL! -AND- I'm Tonya? LOL! I'm neither one of those people, but one thing is for sure and that is you're fucking retarded. If you're not JLB then I'm perfectly content to believe you're not Tonya either. I just thought I remembered you being JLB, and his constant spam threads are what I'm reminded of with the way TT has been posting lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, ICRockets2 said: If you're not JLB then I'm perfectly content to believe you're not Tonya either. I just thought I remembered you being JLB. I remember JLB vividly and I'm pretty sure he was(is?) a real dude. He used to keep this forum flooded with so many threads that we couldn't keep up with them all. And when a thread went too long without any participation he would start replying to himself. He posted so much that his record as "Top Poster" held up for over a decade after he left. I think he had over 35K if I remember right. All the records got screwed up after the latest software update. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Angry Byrds said: Yeah I know this I have an uncle who is still suicidal after all these years. But having PTSD is way different than being gunned down, especially when no guns were fired. We are not going to agree on this. There is no way you can convince me that 6 people who died after the event is equal to that of violent protestors beating and killing and looting and burning. Way more people were effected in all those cities than what happened at the capital. What you are saying is “wow, then you must not care about the people at the capital”. And if he ate a bullet because of the angst from the war, he died because of the war. There is no worse. That' the thing your side needs to get off of. Each needs to be individualized into separate, terrible events. To keep referring to the riots whenever Jan 6th comes up is an intentional diversion form the facts about Jan 6th 1 Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 hours ago, jc856 said: How do you think this will happen on a board with no rules, tos, nada? I get my mod back and just do it, since Lit has checked out anyway. SOMEONE has to restore some order here. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 hours ago, HipKat said: And if he ate a bullet because of the angst from the war, he died because of the war. There is no worse. That' the thing your side needs to get off of. Each needs to be individualized into separate, terrible events. To keep referring to the riots whenever Jan 6th comes up is an intentional diversion form the facts about Jan 6th They are both riots. It’s the same thing except this one happened to be “Republicans” so your side is blowing it up. I said both were wrong but because I think one is worse than the other I’m an asshole, got it. As far as loss of life, loss of property, loss of income, and injury they don’t even compare. Portland Oregon is still fucked beyond recognition. There’s businesses there that will never come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 41 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: They are both riots. It’s the same thing except this one happened to be “Republicans” so your side is blowing it up. I said both were wrong but because I think one is worse than the other I’m an asshole, got it. As far as loss of life, loss of property, loss of income, and injury they don’t even compare. Portland Oregon is still fucked beyond recognition. There’s businesses there that will never come back. Should I take this as an answer to my question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 12 hours ago, HipKat said: Oh, PTSD and nightmares have a time limit?? There are Vietnam vets who still wake up in the middle of the night, unsure of where they are, heart racing in a panic. My uncle is almost 90 years old. He still wakes up screaming in the middle of the night after serving in the Korean War almost 70 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Should I take this as an answer to my question? that's the best you are going to get. Conservatives are either too stupid to do any kind of critical thinking/engage in hypotheticals, or they are smart enough to know they dont want to say the quiet parts out loud. They deflect and try to redirect the conversation back to where they can just repeat their standard talking points. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said: Should I take this as an answer to my question? Sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: Sure So rioting is NEVER acceptable? Not even if your democratic government has been overthrown by a military junta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 52 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: So rioting is NEVER acceptable? Not even if your democratic government has been overthrown by a military junta? I guess he would prefer that we still bow to the British crown too. The Americans should have never rioted to get their independence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said: So rioting is NEVER acceptable? Not even if your democratic government has been overthrown by a military junta? 26 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: I guess he would prefer that we still bow to the British crown too. The Americans should have never rioted to get their independence. So you think that killing innocent people and burning down businesses is ok if it’s in the name police brutality? You’re comparing these events to the American revolution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: So you think that killing innocent people and burning down businesses is ok if it’s in the name police brutality? You’re comparing these events to the American revolution? I was referring to the questions that you conveniently didn't answer yet, which were: 13 hours ago, ICRockets2 said: Is there EVER a justification for rioting, looting, and burning in your opinion? How bad do things have to get for that to be a reaction you're sympathetic to? I'll give an example. There was a military coup in Myanmar last year that sparked massive protests. Do you believe the citizens of a country that had their government overthrown could have valid reasons to cause property damage? If not, why? What do you propose they do differently? 1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said: So rioting is NEVER acceptable? Not even if your democratic government has been overthrown by a military junta? When you can actually answer those questions, I'll answer yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 32 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said: So you think that killing innocent people and burning down businesses is ok if it’s in the name police brutality? You’re comparing these events to the American revolution? Don't skip ahead. I promise we'll get there, but in order for the more complicated stuff to make sense to both of us we need to have some sort of baseline agreement on simpler premises. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Byrds Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: I was referring to the questions that you conveniently didn't answer yet, which were: When you can actually answer those questions, I'll answer yours. Fighting against an abusive government is different than rioting. There is never a good reason to kill or beat an innocent person walking down the street or set fire to your neighbors business. That doesn’t effect the government at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Angry Byrds said: Fighting against an abusive government is different than rioting. There is never a good reason to kill or beat an innocent person walking down the street or set fire to your neighbors business. That doesn’t effect the government at all. the police are part of the government, no? Police are there to protect private property, no? Seems pretty reasonable why people would resort to rioting and destruction given those circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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