ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, HipKat said: Wrong. The Anarchists Cookbook is a tome that details how to break the law, kill people and create chaos/ Gay/Bi sex does none of those, so it's not a perfect starting point at all. That's WHY it's a perfect starting point. It demonstrates the rationale behind previously banned books and the disparity between that and the rationale for banning these ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 21 hours ago, ICRockets2 said: Children are not fucking property. Our children is not for you to raise or groom. Can't dumb it down for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, HipKat said: Not when they overlook emotional and mental maturity I think you underestimate how emotionally and mentally mature some kids can be. I think a lot of adults who oppose queer content do, frankly. When I was 3 years old, my dad was trying to get my sister and I to go to bed. She was goofing off in my room instead of going to hers, and he was irritated. My father yelled, and he pounded my wall for emphasis. His fist went clean through it. I was mad at him for doing that to MY wall for something my sister did, my sister was terrified, and my father....was also terrified. He tried to stay composed but I saw the fear in his whole body. I was fucking THREE and I still to this day remember that as a watershed moment for me in my emotional development. Kids see and understand things adults never give them credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, RichJ said: Our children is not for you to raise or groom. Can't dumb it down for you. You understand the implication of this is that it's okay to groom kids if they're yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 22 hours ago, ICRockets2 said: Children are not fucking property. Our children are not for you to raise or groom. Can't dumb it down further for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 26 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: You understand the implication of this is that it's okay to groom kids if they're yours? My kids to raise duh! You re NOT their parent. It's not a hard concept, well to you it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: I think you underestimate how emotionally and mentally mature some kids can be. I think a lot of adults who oppose queer content do, frankly. When I was 3 years old, my dad was trying to get my sister and I to go to bed. She was goofing off in my room instead of going to hers, and he was irritated. My father yelled, and he pounded my wall for emphasis. His fist went clean through it. I was mad at him for doing that to MY wall for something my sister did, my sister was terrified, and my father....was also terrified. He tried to stay composed but I saw the fear in his whole body. I was fucking THREE and I still to this day remember that as a watershed moment for me in my emotional development. Kids see and understand things adults never give them credit for. You don't get ti decide who or which kids are capable . You're not a parent. You're clueless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 22 hours ago, ICRockets2 said: What about parents who want family friendly drag shows and LGBTQ positive books in libraries? Family friendly by whose definition or standard? Yours? Hell no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, RichJ said: You don't get ti decide who or which kids are capable . You're not a parent. You're clueless. I'm not asserting the right to decide which kids are capable. Those kids make the decision when they check the book out of the library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, RichJ said: Family friendly by whose definition or standard? Yours? Hell no! Then you're not arguing in good faith here. Your actual position isn't "my kids my choice" it's "I hate queer stuff no matter what". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, HipKat said: I'd give them a lot more leeway in High School What? Maybe we shoukd leave alcohol on highschools and see if they make better decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, RichJ said: My kids to raise duh! You re NOT their parent. It's not a hard concept, well to you it is. And yet that isn't what you said. Do we have to call CPS to do a house check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Then you're not arguing in good faith here. Your actual position isn't "my kids my choice" it's "I hate queer stuff no matter what". Simple question. Who should make decisions for kids? Government? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, RichJ said: Simple question. Who should make decisions for kids? Government? It depends on the decision. If the decision is what to have for dinner? Parents. If the decision is whether they get screen time after dinner? Parents. If the decision is when it's time for bed? Parents. If the decision is what books are available in libraries? Society. If the decision is what book to get from the library? The kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 57 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: I think you underestimate how emotionally and mentally mature some kids can be. I think a lot of adults who oppose queer content do, frankly. Some?? The exceptions do NOT override the rule. A young chess master does not mean ALL kids are capable of being young chess masters. You're whole premise that one=all, ours>mine is fucked up. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 59 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: I think you underestimate how emotionally and mentally mature some kids can be. I think a lot of adults who oppose queer content do, frankly. When I was 3 years old, my dad was trying to get my sister and I to go to bed. She was goofing off in my room instead of going to hers, and he was irritated. My father yelled, and he pounded my wall for emphasis. His fist went clean through it. I was mad at him for doing that to MY wall for something my sister did, my sister was terrified, and my father....was also terrified. He tried to stay composed but I saw the fear in his whole body. I was fucking THREE and I still to this day remember that as a watershed moment for me in my emotional development. Kids see and understand things adults never give them credit for. Therapy might be a good thing for you Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 58 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: You understand the implication of this is that it's okay to groom kids if they're yours? You understand the implication of always expecting the worst makes you look weak and naive? Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, HipKat said: Some?? The exceptions do NOT override the rule. A young chess master does not mean ALL kids are capable of being young chess masters. You're whole premise that one=all, ours>mine is fucked up. It would be fucked up if that were my premise, but it isn't. If that were my premise, I'd be saying these books should be in the CURRICULUM, but we're talking about libraries where ONLY SOME CHILDREN WILL CHOOSE TO READ IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, HipKat said: You understand the implication of always expecting the worst makes you look weak and naive? I agree, that's part of why I think it's weird that you think gender non-conformity is synonymous with attention-seeking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: I'm not asserting the right to decide which kids are capable. Those kids make the decision when they check the book out of the library. D they make the decision when some fucking Neo-lib, fat fucking teacher with rainbow hair and a militant idea of pronouns are telling them it's OK "if SoMe GiRlS hAvE a PeNiS?" You need help. You're not capable of accepting reality. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, HipKat said: Therapy might be a good thing for you Why? Because I made an astute observation that helped me see my father as an emotionally complex entity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, HipKat said: D they make the decision when some fucking Neo-lib, fat fucking teacher with rainbow hair and a militant idea of pronouns are telling them it's OK "if SoMe GiRlS hAvE a PeNiS?" You need help. You're not capable of accepting reality. Some girls do have penises, and it is okay. That is reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, RichJ said: What? Maybe we shoukd leave alcohol on highschools and see if they make better decisions. I'm just saying High School aged kids have a better grasp of sexuality, sexual emotions and desires and are more aware of adult relationships. Now that doesn't mean I advocate a fucking book t hat described gay anal sex in detail but books about alternate ideas are there for a reason Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, HipKat said: I'm just saying High School aged kids have a better grasp of sexuality, sexual emotions and desires and are more aware of adult relationships. Now that doesn't mean I advocate a fucking book t hat described gay anal sex in detail but books about alternate ideas are there for a reason Tha applies to everyone. Question is, do they make better decisions? Not with teems especially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipKat Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: It would be fucked up if that were my premise, but it isn't. If that were my premise, I'd be saying these books should be in the CURRICULUM, but we're talking about libraries where ONLY SOME CHILDREN WILL CHOOSE TO READ IT. Dude, you're fucking retarded if you don't know that kids will =choose to bite form the apple 100% of the time, especially YOUNG children Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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