January 6 panel’s case against Trump lays out roadmap for prosecution

[Toofast80]

6 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

The fact that he wasn't a politician doesn't change the fact that he was still very much one of them, not one of us.  

It most certainly does make a difference that he wasn’t a lifetime sleazy lawyer/politician making those laws for 50 years! Business person vs. lawyer? I prefer those that are/were practicing MDs over both, but the business man was a start for many towards NON-establishment type politicians.  Imagine voting for Hillary Clinton and thinking you were better than a citizen that voted for DJT 🤣🤦‍♂️!

[Philly'sFinest]

1 minute ago, Toofast80 said:

It most certainly does make a difference that he wasn’t a lifetime sleazy lawyer/politician making those laws for 50 years! Business person vs. lawyer? I prefer those that are/were practicing MDs over both, but the business man was a start for many towards NON-establishment type politicians.  Imagine voting for Hillary Clinton and thinking you were better than a citizen that voted for DJT 🤣🤦‍♂️!

It's why the establishment politicians on both sides, and even the media had it in for him from the jump...they were all threatened by someone who wasn't controlled by the corrupt system. He could have possibly exposed these people and organizations and ruined the comfortable and very lucrative thing they have going on.

And he did do that to a degree. But the real sad and ironic thing here is that we still have people that are defending that same establishment that is clearly corrupt, and clearly fucking over we, the people.

That's why I call a number of posters here sheep, and it's why America is losing. 

[Toofast80]

12 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said:

It's why the establishment politicians on both sides, and even the media had it in for him from the jump...they were all threatened by someone who wasn't controlled by the corrupt system. He could have possibly exposed these people and organizations and ruined the comfortable and very lucrative thing they have going on.

And he did do that to a degree. But the real sad and ironic thing here is that we still have people that are defending that same establishment that is clearly corrupt, and clearly fucking over we, the people.

That's why I call a number of posters here sheep, and it's why America is losing. 

Complain about both sides, but continue to support the “lesser of 2 evils” in their minds 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️!?

[Toofast80]

Yablow, so take it fwiw.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-probed-jan-6-many-090154385.html

A "sizable percentage" of FBI employees felt sympathy towards the Jan. 6 insurrectionists, and considered the riot at the U.S. Capitol "no different than the BLM protests," according to a warning email sent to a top FBI official by someone with apparent connections to the bureau.

[Angry Byrds]

On 10/14/2022 at 11:33 AM, HipKat said:

Are we still pretending that nothing happened on January 6 and that Trump had nothing to do with it?

So, he’s going to jail this time? I’ve been looking forward to this. I was assured that he would go to jail because of Mueller report once his presidency was over. I’m getting my popcorn ready.

[HipKat]

On 10/14/2022 at 6:17 PM, Toofast80 said:

I think the ignorance is not accepting the truth, that all of it was brought about by the “events” and the applauding of those events most of the year prior to 1/6/21. People were and are FED up with the “FED” and its status quo “rules for thee, but not for me”. And you can add Trump into that category if you’d like, but prior to his POTUS status he wasn’t “a peoples servant”.

Except TRUMP instigated the events of Jan 6th.

Trump's own people have testified that he knew he lost, but he willfully chose to follow the advice of Bannon and Stone and just claim he won without merit.

It has nothing to do with what type of President he was, although he was hardly effective in the best interests of the US and ALL Americans, or that stupid "rules for thee" bullshit that MAGA's love to throw around like hypocrites.

[HipKat]

On 10/14/2022 at 7:20 PM, Philly'sFinest said:

She refused it days prior.

Of course she asked for it when it happened LOL

Nobody ever claimed that she didn't on 1/6. The argument is that she refused them days before

Get with the program 

Get with the program?? It was never her responsibility to request the Guard prior to Jan 6th. That's just one more lie in a long, endless list of MAGA lies.

Quote

 

AP fact check rates GOP claim Pelosi blocked National Guard on Jan. 6 ‘false’

 

A recent fact check by The Associated Press found that an assertion being made by members of the House Republican Conference that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was responsible for the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol due to security reasons is not true. 

“As Speaker of the House, Pelosi does not direct the National Guard,” the AP reported in its fact check. “Further, as the Capitol came under attack, she and the Senate Majority leader called for military assistance, including the National Guard.” 

 

Drew Hammill, a spokesperson for Pelosi, told the AP, “On January 6th, the Speaker, a target of an assassination attempt that day, was no more in charge of Capitol security than Mitch McConnell was. This is a clear attempt to whitewash what happened on January 6th and divert blame.” 

Hammill said after the insurrection that Pelosi was never informed of a request from the House sergeant at arms not to call the guard before the attack, as her GOP critics have claimed.  

“Republicans have falsely laid the blame on Pelosi without mentioning that GOP Leader McConnell had similar authority over the security officials that day,” the AP wrote in its fact check. “But there is no evidence that either was involved in any effort to block the National Guard before or during the insurrection.” 

 

 

 

 

[HipKat]

On 10/14/2022 at 9:33 PM, Very Wide Right said:

It's absolutely fucking laughable that there are still people that see this committee as anything more than a political infomercial.

It's absolutely fucking laughable that there are still people who refuse to look at and/or accept the evidence accusing this committee of being a political informercial

[HipKat]

21 hours ago, Philly'sFinest said:

It's why the establishment politicians on both sides, and even the media had it in for him from the jump...they were all threatened by someone who wasn't controlled by the corrupt system. He could have possibly exposed these people and organizations and ruined the comfortable and very lucrative thing they have going on.

And he did do that to a degree. But the real sad and ironic thing here is that we still have people that are defending that same establishment that is clearly corrupt, and clearly fucking over we, the people.

That's why I call a number of posters here sheep, and it's why America is losing. 

This whole idea of replacing politicians with non-politicians is a dumb as replacing a brain surgeon with a plumber. It's a ludicrous idea, introduced by partisan media

[HipKat]

19 hours ago, Toofast80 said:

Yablow, so take it fwiw.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-probed-jan-6-many-090154385.html

A "sizable percentage" of FBI employees felt sympathy towards the Jan. 6 insurrectionists, and considered the riot at the U.S. Capitol "no different than the BLM protests," according to a warning email sent to a top FBI official by someone with apparent connections to the bureau.

So the FBI encouraged the law to be broken and attacking the Federal Government?

[HipKat]

18 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

So, he’s going to jail this time? I’ve been looking forward to this. I was assured that he would go to jail because of Mueller report once his presidency was over. I’m getting my popcorn ready.

I already posted he most likely will not go to jail.

[Angry Byrds]

2 hours ago, HipKat said:

I already posted he most likely will not go to jail.

Damn!!

[Very Wide Right]

3 hours ago, HipKat said:

Except TRUMP instigated the events of Jan 6th.

Trump's own people have testified that he knew he lost, but he willfully chose to follow the advice of Bannon and Stone and just claim he won without merit.

It has nothing to do with what type of President he was, although he was hardly effective in the best interests of the US and ALL Americans, or that stupid "rules for thee" bullshit that MAGA's love to throw around like hypocrites.

Trump instigated nothing, he asked for a safe and orderly march yet strangely all footage of that has been scrubbed. Strangely though Kamala Harris financing terror in our streets and verbally supporting it and asking for it to continue never has been criticized. Chuck Schumer calling for a hit on a Supreme court justice was acted on and again ,no problem at all.HK, you have previously dismissed Schumers actions here, how about Kamala?

 

[HipKat]

22 minutes ago, Very Wide Right said:

Trump instigated nothing, he asked for a safe and orderly march yet strangely all footage of that has been scrubbed. Strangely though Kamala Harris financing terror in our streets and verbally supporting it and asking for it to continue never has been criticized. Chuck Schumer calling for a hit on a Supreme court justice was acted on and again ,no problem at all.HK, you have previously dismissed Schumers actions here, how about Kamala?

 

Wrong! Trump started instigating this before the election, nO mAtTeR wuT tUcKeR sEd.

Nice textbook deflection to Kamala.... 

[Very Wide Right]

1 minute ago, HipKat said:

Wrong! Trump started instigating this before the election, nO mAtTeR wuT tUcKeR sEd.

Nice textbook deflection to Kamala.... 

So, you don't want to answer about Schumer or Kamala. It just seems strange that you are outraged over Jan 6 yet you have no problem with far MORE death and destruction during the riots that democrats sanctioned. No comment about the SCOTUS attempt either? STRANGE!! Again, TRUMP asked for a safe and orderly march and even made a statement calling for calm in the middle of it. The Facts aren't your friend here.

[Angry Byrds]

41 minutes ago, Very Wide Right said:

So, you don't want to answer about Schumer or Kamala. It just seems strange that you are outraged over Jan 6 yet you have no problem with far MORE death and destruction during the riots that democrats sanctioned. No comment about the SCOTUS attempt either? STRANGE!! Again, TRUMP asked for a safe and orderly march and even made a statement calling for calm in the middle of it. The Facts aren't your friend here.

Didn’t I read that he offered to send national guard and they turned it down?

[HipKat]

2 hours ago, Very Wide Right said:

So, you don't want to answer about Schumer or Kamala. It just seems strange that you are outraged over Jan 6 yet you have no problem with far MORE death and destruction during the riots that democrats sanctioned. No comment about the SCOTUS attempt either? STRANGE!! Again, TRUMP asked for a safe and orderly march and even made a statement calling for calm in the middle of it. The Facts aren't your friend here.

If you want to talk about Schumer or Kamala let’s start a fucking thread about Schumer or Kamala. This is what you fucking Trump lovers do. Every time somebody starts talking about him or pointing out the fact that he’s guilty of something, you change the fucking subject

 

[HipKat]

I guess these are just coincidental.....right?

No, wait, these guys are prophets! 

New video shows Roger Stone telling Trump supporters that ’the key thing to do is claim victory’ after the election, no matter the outcome

In the video clip dated November 1, Stone can be seen speaking to two men at an unspecified location, saying he hoped they would be "celebrating" after the votes were in.

"I really do suspect it'll still be up in the air. But when that happens the key thing to do is to claim victory," Stone said. "Possession is nine-tenths of the law — no, we won, fuck you. Sorry, over, we won, you're wrong, fuck you." 

"We'll have to start smashing pumpkins if you know what I mean," Stone added. 

Stone, a longtime Trump adviser, made similar comments on November 2, 2020, according to documentary footage obtained by CNN. Speaking to associates while traveling in Georgia that day, Stone can be heard outlining a game plan for violent actions after the election.

"Fuck the voting, let's get right to the violence," Stone can be heard saying. "Shoot to kill, you see an Antifa — shoot to kill."

Or this

 

 

[Thebowflexbody]

On 10/14/2022 at 8:05 AM, f8ta1ity54 said:

January 6 panel’s case against Trump lays out roadmap for prosecution | US Capitol attack | The Guardian

 

After more than a year of work that consisted of interviewing 1,000-plus witnesses and reviewing hundreds of thousands of documents, the committee investigating the January 6 attack on the Capitol chose a simple message for its final public hearing: Donald Trump was singularly responsible for the attack.

Since its first hearing in June, the committee’s work has been aimed at two audiences. One of those has been the broad American public. Tactfully using video, the committee has told a disciplined, clear story of what happened on January 6, and the days leading up to it, filled with jaw-dropping soundbites from Trump’s closest aides.

But the committee’s public coda on Thursday appeared more directed at its second audience: an audience of one, the US attorney general, Merrick Garland.

Garland will ultimately decide whether to bring criminal charges against Trump over January 6, and the committee’s work, which has run parallel to the justice department’s investigation, has made a public case for bringing charges, attempting to bring along public support for doing so.

Working chronologically from months before election day until January 6, each of the panel’s nine members on Thursday laid out the signposts of what a criminal case against the former US president could look like.

Pointing to volumes of evidence, they explained how Trump had decided months before election day that he won, regardless of the actual result. When his closest aides informed him that he lost, Trump intentionally chose not to concede. And even though he knew there was the threat of violence at the US Capitol on January 6, Trump fomented it anyway.

“None of this would have happened without him. He was personally and substantially involved in all of it,” Liz Cheney, the Republican representative who serves as the panel’s vice-chair, said in her opening remarks.

Thursday’s hearing continued much of the strategy successfully deployed in previous hearings. It heavily featured video depositions and there were dramatic reveals. There was new, stunning, behind-the-scenes footage of Nancy Pelosi and top congressional leaders as they pleaded for security assistance on January 6.

The panel also presented new evidence it obtained from the Secret Service showing the White House was warned of the potential for violence on January 6. And there was a last-minute dramatic twist as the committee voted 9-0 to subpoena Trump.

 

And just like previous hearings, nearly all of the testimony the committee presented on Thursday came from Republicans who were part of Trump’s inner circle.

There was video from Bill Stepien, Trump’s campaign manager, who advised the president against declaring victory while votes were being counted.

There was Greg Jacobs, a top adviser to Mike Pence, who said they were aware Trump could turn on the vice-president on January 6.

And there was more devastating video of Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to the White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, who told the committee how Trump fumed after the supreme court rebuffed his request to overturn the election.

“‘I don’t want people to know we lost, Mark. This is embarrassing. Figure it out. We need to figure it out. I don’t want people to know that we lost,” Trump told Meadows after the supreme court ruled against him, Hutchinson said.

That kind of testimony may be the committee’s most consequential legacy.

In getting top Republicans and Trump’s inner circle to publicly describe observations and conversations in the lead-up to January 6, the committee has blunted attacks that its work is a partisan exercise. It has created a record of some of the most powerful Republicans in the US government telling Trump that what he was doing was illegal. And the committee has slowly and meticulously isolated Trump, establishing his culpability, showing how he deliberately chose to ignore what those around him were telling him.

“When you look back at what has come out through this committee’s work, the most striking fact is that all this evidence comes almost entirely from Republicans,” Bennie Thompson, the committee chairman and a Mississippi Democrat, said in his opening statement.

That nonpartisan framing is an enormous gift to Garland and his justice department as it investigates and weighs bringing charges. It helps establish the case against Trump as an apolitical one, driven by the law. And even though Trump and other Republicans are likely to claim any charges are a political witch-hunt regardless, the voluminous testimony from top Republicans will help undercut that defense.

The committee will probably make public a final report later this year and decide whether to refer Trump and others to the justice department for potential criminal prosecution.

But regardless of its actions, the lie that Trump fomented after the 2020 election has taken deep hold across the United States. The 147 Republicans in the House who tried to overturn the election results have faced few consequences. Denying the results of the 2020 election has become orthodoxy in the Republican party. Candidates who have spread baseless conspiracy theories about voting machines and elections are now on the verge of winning offices with statewide election oversight in Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona and Michigan – all presidential battleground states.

Those developments have made the committee’s work all the more pressing.

“Our institutions only hold when men and women of good faith make them hold, regardless of the political cost. We have no guarantee that these men and women will be in place next time. Any future president inclined to attempt what Donald Trump did in 2020, has now learned not to install people who could stand in the way,” said Cheney, who lost a primary earlier this year because of her opposition to Trump.

“With every effort to excuse or justify the conduct of the former president, we chip away at the foundation of our republic. Indefensible conduct is defended, inexcusable conduct is excused. Without accountability, it all becomes normal and it will recur,” she added.

 

 

Boy, you're dumb.  Pure wishful thinking.  Good luck with all this.  Idiot.  LOL

[Nuke]

 

[HipKat]

But, wait! I thought this was not real. Not happening. Fake news!

The Way of The MAGA

Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake won't commit to honoring election results

WASHINGTON – Emulating Donald Trump, the Republican candidate for governor of Arizona repeatedly refused to say Sunday whether she would honor the results of her election – if she lost.

"I'm going to win the election and accept that result," Kari Lake said twice on CNN's "State of the Union."

Lake is among this election's most prominent "election deniers," Republicans who agree with Trump's false claims about his loss in the 2020 election and suggest they may file protests of their own after the November elections.

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Public interest groups said Trump and his denier acolytes are threats to democracy, sowing distrust in the system because they know they cannot command a majority of voters. They said more protests after the 2022 elections will only fuel doubts about elections, despite mountains of evidence that they are fairly run.

Hundreds of election deniers are on ballots across the country this year.

Election deniers defined:Hundreds of elections deniers running for office nationwide in 2022 pose 'major threat' to U.S. democracy

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Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano and his lieutenant governor running mate, Carrie Lewis DelRosso, have refused to say they would honor the election results.

"We're not going to lose," DelRosso told a television interviewer from Harrisburg. "I'm a winner."

Arizona Democratic gubernatorial candidate Katie Hobbs, also appearing on CNN, said Lake has produced no evidence of voter fraud.

"This is absolutely disqualifying," said Hobbs, who is secretary of state in Arizona. "This is somebody who will have a level of authority over our state's elections, the ability to sign new legislation into law, the responsibility of certifying future elections."

[Very Wide Right]

23 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

Didn’t I read that he offered to send national guard and they turned it down?

Yes he absolutely did. 

 

[Angry Byrds]

22 hours ago, HipKat said:

If you want to talk about Schumer or Kamala let’s start a fucking thread about Schumer or Kamala. This is what you fucking Trump lovers do. Every time somebody starts talking about him or pointing out the fact that he’s guilty of something, you change the fucking subject

 

I think he is saying that it’s the same thing, but what they said was worse. I don’t think it’s changing the subject if it’s the same damn thing. 

[HipKat]

2 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

I think he is saying that it’s the same thing, but what they said was worse. I don’t think it’s changing the subject if it’s the same damn thing. 

Skip the subject is about Donald Trump being subpoenaed by Congress, then what the fuck do Biden and Kamala have to do with it? It’s totally changing the subject.

As for the national guard, Trump did not request assistance from the National Guard until after the riot had begun.

[Thebowflexbody]

LOL