If There is an Exchange of Nukes and 2B People Die, How Should Those Deaths Be Allocated Among Countries?

[SpikedLemonade]

Give it some thought.

[SpikedLemonade]

 

Q:  How limited does this nuke thing have to be?

 

A:  I would have to read more however the world is over-populated and losing 2B would make it a better place it can be argued.

 

[SpikedLemonade]

 

So is the limited nukes if I get to choose which 2B die option off the table?

 

I was doing some math....

We need to quickly get India and Pakistan involved in this war as well.

Oh and the Chinese.  Just tell them that Taiwan fucked their mother in the ass and they will join immediately as well.

The French and Brits can just point all the nukes they got towards Russia -- as Israel will do to Iran and any other neighbour it chooses because the dumb ass Americans gave them nukes through South Africa -- just in case there is anything left of Russia after the 2B person permanent departure.

Russia does know that all the good nukes on American soil are located in Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, etc?   No use wasting Russian nukes on the Northern US, Western US or Canada.  Just blow the bottom southeastern part of the US back to caveman days but be careful around Cuba and the Caribbean.  That would decrease by 100M the population of the US and in a few years we can reminisce and discuss whether we really miss them at all.

I will keep working the math but I do need 500M Indians and 100M Pakistanis to make this work.  China has to be in for another 500M since reducing Russia to well used cat litter only executes 146,074,681 in Russia as of yesterday.

I guess what I am saying is that if the nukes are going to be unleashed, they need a good work out.

Drop the world population from over 8B back down to 6B which is more sustainable. 

So I am approx. 750M short after Russia evaporates, China, India, Pakistan and the Southeastern portion of the US are added up.

Personally, I like a nice assorted package of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Saudi A. and Israel would net another 200M dead humans.

South Africa?  They kinda messed in the past plus they would then launch their nukes for the heck of it -- gotta test them.

Former countries of Yugoslavia?  Some of those thick necks are breathing too much of our air.

I think the Philippines will be under 50 feet of water with all the ocean activity from the nukes so there is potentially another 200M there.  Well, at least the not good swimmers.

What about those countries just joining NATO -- great timing guys!!! -- Sweden and Finland?  I guess Russia will blow them up with the short range nukes.

Wait a minute....wait a minute...almost forgot about those asshole Australians.  FUCK THEM.  One good nuke should crater that island.  Add another 25M.

 

[ICRockets2]

I think it would be fun to give them all to Monaco, let's do that

[SpikedLemonade]

21 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

I think it would be fun to give them all to Monaco, let's do that

Oh, no one is giving up their nukes.

The issue is when they are fired -- who dies?

I picked the number of 2B deaths just to show how quickly nukes can escalate.

I even suggested that science would say that the ecosystem of Mother Earth is probably over-extended right now by about a quarter percent.

Would this planet be more sustainable at a growing 8B+ or a new refocused 6B+ who would demand that each an every nuke be destroyed within 30 days after witnessing 2B die?

[micknaboz]

1 hour ago, SpikedLemonade said:

 

So is the limited nukes if I get to choose which 2B die option off the table?

 

I was doing some math....

We need to quickly get India and Pakistan involved in this war as well.

Oh and the Chinese.  Just tell them that Taiwan fucked their mother in the ass and they will join immediately as well.

The French and Brits can just point all the nukes they got towards Russia -- as Israel will do to Iran and any other neighbour it chooses because the dumb ass Americans gave them nukes through South Africa -- just in case there is anything left of Russia after the 2B person permanent departure.

Russia does know that all the good nukes on American soil are located in Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, etc?   No use wasting Russian nukes on the Northern US, Western US or Canada.  Just blow the bottom southeastern part of the US back to caveman days but be careful around Cuba and the

I suggest double checking where our nukes are kept, cuz what I found with just a cursory google shows many/most being out west. Not that they aren't located where you write also,  maybe you got a link for your assertion.?

"The current ICBM force consists of Minuteman III missiles located at the 90th Missile Wing at F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyoming; the 341st Missile Wing at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana; and the 91st Missile Wing at Minot Air Force Base, North Dakota. "

 

 

[SpikedLemonade]

26 minutes ago, micknaboz said:

 

Can't we just convince the Russians and Chinese that we keep our nukes stored in double wide trailers?

[ICRockets2]

1 hour ago, SpikedLemonade said:

Oh, no one is giving up their nukes.

The issue is when they are fired -- who dies?

I picked the number of 2B deaths just to show how quickly nukes can escalate.

I even suggested that science would say that the ecosystem of Mother Earth is probably over-extended right now by about a quarter percent.

Would this planet be more sustainable at a growing 8B+ or a new refocused 6B+ who would demand that each an every nuke be destroyed within 30 days after witnessing 2B die?

Yeah kill 2 billion Monacoats some of them will need to die more than a dozen times but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

[SpikedLemonade]

7 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Yeah kill 2 billion Monacoats some of them will need to die more than a dozen times but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

We will have an annual tribute/remember/profit event in their honour.

[SpikedLemonade]

Interesting that no one has disagreed with the premise I propose -- that 2B dead from a nuke exchange is perhaps acceptable and even a favourable outcome.

[HipKat]

 

 

[Herodotus]

6 minutes ago, HipKat said:

 

 

Except those are surface to air missile batteries.  God damn it is good to be able to own a copy of fm 100-2-3, U.S. army field manual about Red Army equipment and be able to say that is an air defence system.  Sure, reality is more mundane, but at least I don't get sold bullshit.  Remember what I said about how you can misrepresent what is in a photo? Well my boy, you've been had.

[Herodotus]

15 hours ago, SpikedLemonade said:

Interesting that no one has disagreed with the premise I propose -- that 2B dead from a nuke exchange is perhaps acceptable and even a favourable outcome.

I think you are making a joke but goddamn is that horrible.  The aim has to be to keep the genie in the bottle and hopefully bury that bottle where nobody can find it.

[HipKat]

11 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Except those are surface to air missile batteries.  God damn it is good to be able to own a copy of fm 100-2-3, U.S. army field manual about Red Army equipment and be able to say that is an air defence system.  Sure, reality is more mundane, but at least I don't get sold bullshit.  Remember what I said about how you can misrepresent what is in a photo? Well my boy, you've been had.

I haven't been shit. 99% of what I post on here has nothing to do with whether I believe or support it. I do it only to start conversations between the people who still come here every day

[ICRockets2]

1 minute ago, Herodotus said:

 The aim has to be to keep the genie in the bottle and hopefully bury that bottle where nobody can find it.

I completely agree.  That's why the world needs to make sure people like Vladimir Putin and the Republican Party are kept away from the levers of power that have access to nuclear weapons.  They are Christian Nationalists, and as I said yesterday Christian Nationalism is a death cult.  If they are convinced that ceding power to the "woke mob" or whoever is the outgroup du jour would bring about the ascent of Satan, they would prefer to end humanity in order to save as many souls as possible from falling to darkness.

If you disagree with any of this, please point it out and we can discuss it to try to find the truth of the matter.

[Herodotus]

1 minute ago, HipKat said:

I haven't been shit. 99% of what I post on here has nothing to do with whether I believe or support it. I do it only to start conversations between the people who still come here every day

Fair enough, but hopefully we can all agree that nuclear war should be averted, and all measures by all people in all countries should do everything they can to take that option off the table

1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

I completely agree.  That's why the world needs to make sure people like Vladimir Putin and the Republican Party are kept away from the levers of power that have access to nuclear weapons.  They are Christian Nationalists, and as I said yesterday Christian Nationalism is a death cult.  If they are convinced that ceding power to the "woke mob" or whoever is the outgroup du jour would bring about the ascent of Satan, they would prefer to end humanity in order to save as many souls as possible from falling to darkness.

If you disagree with any of this, please point it out and we can discuss it to try to find the truth of the matter.

Just one small difference.  The Democrats like Biden are far right authoritarians who serve the exact same masters (the MIC, Wall Street, and Oilgarchs) that the GOP does.  In foreign policy there is NO difference.  NONE, NADA.  Fuck, the Trumperfuckers on here would be gung ho about boots on the ground and sanctioning Russia and arming Ukraine if Trump was president.  They are just against this because Biden is president.  Lemme let you in on a litttle secret.  Whether you admit it or not, if this war happened on Trump's watch you'd be against it.  I fucking know you would so don't even try to lie.  That's the one thing I actually feel bad for a lot of you guys.  You somehow think that because you are a member of the Guelphs that you are somehow better than those who support the ghibellines.

Guelphs and Ghibellines - Wikipedia
 

[HipKat]

3 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Fair enough, but hopefully we can all agree that nuclear war should be averted, and all measures by all people in all countries should do everything they can to take that option off the table

Yes, without question

3 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Just one small difference.  The Democrats like Biden are far right authoritarians who serve the exact same masters (the MIC, Wall Street, and Oilgarchs) that the GOP does.  In foreign policy there is NO difference.  NONE, NADA.  Fuck, the Trumperfuckers on here would be gung ho about boots on the ground and sanctioning Russia and arming Ukraine if Trump was president.  They are just against this because Biden is president.  Lemme let you in on a litttle secret.  Whether you admit it or not, if this war happened on Trump's watch you'd be against it.  I fucking know you would so don't even try to lie.  That's the one thing I actually feel bad for a lot of you guys.  You somehow think that because you are a member of the Guelphs that you are somehow better than those who support the ghibellines.

Guelphs and Ghibellines - Wikipedia
 

Democrats = Republicans = Democrats in almost all ways

[SpikedLemonade]

30 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

I think you are making a joke but goddamn is that horrible.  The aim has to be to keep the genie in the bottle and hopefully bury that bottle where nobody can find it.

Shiva and I talked about this today on the phone for a while.

He thinks that the world will be almost completely destroyed from the fall out and many more than 2B will die.

I have more faith in humanity to get it right and stop the deaths at 2B.

 

Oh, Shiva joined this dating site...

 

 

[ICRockets2]

17 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

 

Just one small difference.  The Democrats like Biden are far right authoritarians who serve the exact same masters (the MIC, Wall Street, and Oilgarchs) that the GOP does.  
 

No, Democrats are not far right authoritarians.  They are center-right neoconservatives.  So are many "traditional" Republicans.  These are the groups who coordinated to make the War On Terror happen.  Far-right Christian Nationalists serve a different master.  While I obviously oppose neocons running foreign policy too (because their policies demonstrably harm innocent civilians and have a long history of undermining democratic projects abroad), the far right is uniquely brainfucked in their desire to impose theocratic fascism across their spheres of influence.  Neocon Dems and GOP can still have the same effect, but there is little evidence that it is their ideological objective.  For that reason they are marginally- very, very marginally- superior to Christian Nationalists because they can- in theory- be talked out of the things we see causing those international crises.

[ICRockets2]

28 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

nuclear war should be averted, and all measures by all people in all countries should do everything they can to take that option off the table

 

I am not saying this is the case, because I can't know that, but IF Rand sincerely believed Putin represented an existential threat because they determined he was uniquely willing to resort to nuclear war and they were able to substantiate why they believed this, would it change your mind about that 2019 plan to marginalize him?  IF that was their impetus (and I am not taking the position that it was) then this would represent them trying to take the option off the table, would it not?

[ICRockets2]

40 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

the MIC

BTW, I've been thinking for a bit that the Military-Industrial Complex is an interesting example of proto-fascism, because of the way it fosters close relationships between corporations and government that over time lead to fairly obvious perverse incentives that can snowball into a system easily exploited by fascists.  I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on that.

[SpikedLemonade]

On 10/3/2022 at 9:23 PM, ICRockets2 said:

BTW, I've been thinking for a bit that the Military-Industrial Complex is an interesting example of proto-fascism, because of the way it fosters close relationships between corporations and government that over time lead to fairly obvious perverse incentives that can snowball into a system easily exploited by fascists.  I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on that.

You did not ask me however I agree that the culture protects itself.

 

[SpikedLemonade]

Biden seems to think this is possible.

[RichJ]

On 10/2/2022 at 4:14 PM, SpikedLemonade said:

Can't we just convince the Russians and Chinese that we keep our nukes stored in double wide trailers?

We? Cannucks has no nukes. America will have to protect your fat trailer trash ass which wouldn't fit in a double wide trailer. 

[HipKat]