When do you just admit this season is toast?

[thinwhiteduke]

1 hour ago, Angry Byrds said:

Uh they need help and they have to beat KC and the Niners. We will talk in a couple weeks. Start coming up with an excuse 

I don't need an excuse. I'm simply saying that's my pick of what I think the NFL wants. It's not MY pick.

If doesn't happen, so what? It simply means the nfl wanted a different outcome.

Um, you do realize they are playing sf and KC after they already got playoff spots and they lost 30-29 to KC last time. And do you remember last year or not? Raiders made playoffs on the most unlikely of happenings in theirs and other games.

Are you saying you're so gullible that you believe the ending of last Raiders game and the Minnesota comeback?

You think those were natural ,not fixed events? 

I mean ,come on......you're buying that instead of just going to OT.

The genius coach wanted his team to try and lateral all over, with no time, to try and score?

It's staged no matter who wins. So I've been right since day one. Who wins is irrelevant. But again, I think NFL wanted Broncos and Raiders. I'll be half right.

 

 

 

 

[thinwhiteduke]

Lol thanks for the he thumbs up! 

I'm stunned

[Herodotus]

Just checking in, is the season still toast?

[StraightJ]

2 hours ago, Herodotus said:

Just checking in, is the season still toast?

Is it possible the OP likes toast like I used to?(Before I decided to be healthier in part by mitigating my diet by eliminating modern "grains".  Heck, you can even buy frozen pizza with cauliflower or broccoli crust these days).

Is it not possible he was comparing the season to a tasty part of breakfast he enjoys?  I think I've been a bit too rough lately and would like to see mercy for anyone wishing to renounce their campaigns.  A jubilee of sorts, even for folks who make absolute zero attempts at following the golden rule.   I mean who knows what compelled them?

[Angry Byrds]

On 12/19/2022 at 9:17 PM, thinwhiteduke said:

I don't need an excuse. I'm simply saying that's my pick of what I think the NFL wants. It's not MY pick.

If doesn't happen, so what? It simply means the nfl wanted a different outcome.

Um, you do realize they are playing sf and KC after they already got playoff spots and they lost 30-29 to KC last time. And do you remember last year or not? Raiders made playoffs on the most unlikely of happenings in theirs and other games.

Are you saying you're so gullible that you believe the ending of last Raiders game and the Minnesota comeback?

You think those were natural ,not fixed events? 

I mean ,come on......you're buying that instead of just going to OT.

The genius coach wanted his team to try and lateral all over, with no time, to try and score?

It's staged no matter who wins. So I've been right since day one. Who wins is irrelevant. But again, I think NFL wanted Broncos and Raiders. I'll be half right.

 

 

 

 

Nope

[thinwhiteduke]

2 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

Nope

Nope what? Um ,they aren't eliminated yet. 

Again, pay attention, have you watched tv entertainment sports the last 3 years or not? Do you remember the impossibility of last year for Raiders or don't you?

Whether the Raiders make it or not is irrelevant to my macro truth/point that you are in fact watching staged entertainment.

Raiders lost tonight but barely. 

You're saying you believe all the storybook/movie ,WWE crap that happened tonight?

Pickett can't do shit all game and yet magically has the last minute drive on the night they salute Franco Harris. And the RB tonight just happened to be named Harris...are you effing seriously believing everything you call coincidence?

Tonight proved that ultimately, I'm not wrong what so ever. It was nothing but fantastic fantasy b___ s___.

Isn't it amazing that the raiders future hinges so much on what Miami and Chargers do .. and those two games are tomorrow and Monday night. They magically spread that drama out.

But yeah, just coincidence, right? Just pure luck it works out that way?

 

 

[StraightJ]

2 hours ago, thinwhiteduke said:

Nope what? Um ,they aren't eliminated yet. 

Again, pay attention, have you watched tv entertainment sports the last 3 years or not? Do you remember the impossibility of last year for Raiders or don't you?

Whether the Raiders make it or not is irrelevant to my macro truth/point that you are in fact watching staged entertainment.

Raiders lost tonight but barely. 

You're saying you believe all the storybook/movie ,WWE crap that happened tonight?

Pickett can't do shit all game and yet magically has the last minute drive on the night they salute Franco Harris. And the RB tonight just happened to be named Harris...are you effing seriously believing everything you call coincidence?

Tonight proved that ultimately, I'm not wrong what so ever. It was nothing but fantastic fantasy b___ s___.

Isn't it amazing that the raiders future hinges so much on what Miami and Chargers do .. and those two games are tomorrow and Monday night. They magically spread that drama out.

But yeah, just coincidence, right? Just pure luck it works out that way?

 

 

I'm with you on at least questioning such things, TWD.

I did a "shout" of that in the shoutbox as that drive was beginning....asking if they magically get their only TD of the game on that drive, to go along with the story(I picked that up awhile back from someone on here, unsure if TWD or not).  @Angry Byrds is one of the more decent people on here, even though in the past we had our disagreements.  I didn't see how yours began,  but as I posted elsewhere I am curious if the board has had a thread that covered the legal definition of "sports entertainment", let alone explained the NFL's reasoning for such.  And now that you mention 3 seasons, I'm curious if I was not observant enough to think last season was where the weird/improbable really took hold?   To be clear, the things I'm talking about are beyond any currently understood ways of human interference, and would be admittedly impressive if someone was behind the curtain somehow.

Now that's for the overall weirdness, not that last drive specifically.   If one watched the postgame, one of the guys asks something like "why wait all of that time until the last drive to do any special plays?" or something like that. 

Sincerely checking my own perception on one point I may have been reaching for, did anyone notice on one replay showing the Steelers player and the line to gain looking like the angle used was purposefully disingenuous?  I don't recall if it was the final drive, but it may have been.  Anyhow I am just asking, as I was kinda tired and worn down by that point from fighting Bills hatred all day.

[thinwhiteduke]

On 12/19/2022 at 4:35 PM, Angry Byrds said:

Uh they need help and they have to beat KC and the Niners. We will talk in a couple weeks. Start coming up with an excuse 

Saw your text in chat. So I am responding. I'm an adult in my 50s. Nothing to run away from about silly sports debate. 

My chat quote.

thinwhiteduke:

@Angry Byrds and I didn't claim they would after they started a back up. That said. You don't think it's odd that back up went to overtime in a high scoring game? That proves my point as much as them winning.

 

to reiterate. Once they said Stidham was starting lol. I had no thoughts of them winning after that. So, the fact  is there's no way in hell Stidham should be keeping up with a well oiled machine like SF.

so I'm still right in their losing. It's simply fake WWE entertainment. All I did was pick the wrong episode.

now look.. last year Madden died and raiders made playoffs.

odds are Steelers creep in because of you know who. But yeah, all just coincidence, right?

 

 

 

 

[StraightJ]

34 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said:

Saw your text in chat. So I am responding. I'm an adult in my 50s. Nothing to run away from about silly sports debate. 

My chat quote.

thinwhiteduke:

@Angry Byrds and I didn't claim they would after they started a back up. That said. You don't think it's odd that back up went to overtime in a high scoring game? That proves my point as much as them winning.

 

to reiterate. Once they said Stidham was starting lol. I had no thoughts of them winning after that. So, the fact  is there's no way in hell Stidham should be keeping up with a well oiled machine like SF.

so I'm still right in their losing. It's simply fake WWE entertainment. All I did was pick the wrong episode.

now look.. last year Madden died and raiders made playoffs.

odds are Steelers creep in because of you know who. But yeah, all just coincidence, right?

 

 

 

 

(my mention isn't one of the story aspects, though I wish I stuck to the story part of last week's helmet game, and was a bit irked you couldn't see what I was getting at...even PIT even having a RB w/same last name...the following is just the unlikelihood, and another team some on here still try to paint as superior to the Bills)

Honorable mention for Denver's performance this week too.  After being obliterated before a national audience on Christmas, I'd imagine folks though 13 points for the Chiefs at home was a sure thing vs a interim coach was has never coached an NFL team.

I joked(not a prediction, but I was suspicious) it would be hilariously regular if regular Russell Wilson  magically appears the first game after Hackett was fired, and by gosh he does.  If not for a bad and relatively uncommon offensive pass interference call vs Denver on a great reception, Denver likely wins outright rather than jut covering the spread with a point loss. 

 

It's too early(IMO) to ask something been wondering about the last few hours in relation to the  story aspects....but if there is anything to these stories, I think I may have just spotted a major one.  Reminds me, I have not checked Super Bowl and MVP odds in awhile.

@Angry Byrds I think a pretty good thread could be made about the NFL changing it's legal status to "Sports Entertainment" .  The arrival of legalized gambling at the same time could be more than just a coincidence.  I don't agree with everything with every take of TWD or most members, but in the "new NFL" it seems illogical to ridicule most things without consideration.  For me it's getting closer to the title of Jane's Addiction's 1st album, "Nothing's Shocking". lol

[thinwhiteduke]

39 minutes ago, StraightJ said:

For me it's getting closer to the title of Jane's Addiction's 1st album, "Nothing's Shocking". lol

1986, I saw them in clubs in LA before they got big. 

[mixum]

I think maybe I should have used “bad omen” instead of “toast”…..

 

losing Hyde, Hamlin, Von, the Josh elbow Tommy John injury. The snowstorms, the travel, all bad weather games, devastating loss to Vikings. I know I’m forgetting something else. That’s what some teams face in 2-4 years no less 17 weeks. Insane they are 12-3. But reality is it’s over now. Only so much you can make up for. Just hope Hamlin is OK and try again next year.

[Angry Byrds]

5 hours ago, StraightJ said:

(my mention isn't one of the story aspects, though I wish I stuck to the story part of last week's helmet game, and was a bit irked you couldn't see what I was getting at...even PIT even having a RB w/same last name...the following is just the unlikelihood, and another team some on here still try to paint as superior to the Bills)

Honorable mention for Denver's performance this week too.  After being obliterated before a national audience on Christmas, I'd imagine folks though 13 points for the Chiefs at home was a sure thing vs a interim coach was has never coached an NFL team.

I joked(not a prediction, but I was suspicious) it would be hilariously regular if regular Russell Wilson  magically appears the first game after Hackett was fired, and by gosh he does.  If not for a bad and relatively uncommon offensive pass interference call vs Denver on a great reception, Denver likely wins outright rather than jut covering the spread with a point loss. 

 

It's too early(IMO) to ask something been wondering about the last few hours in relation to the  story aspects....but if there is anything to these stories, I think I may have just spotted a major one.  Reminds me, I have not checked Super Bowl and MVP odds in awhile.

@Angry Byrds I think a pretty good thread could be made about the NFL changing its legal status to "Sports Entertainment" .  The arrival of legalized gambling at the same time could be more than just a coincidence.  I don't agree with everything with every take of TWD or most members, but in the "new NFL" it seems illogical to ridicule most things without consideration.  For me it's getting closer to the title of Jane's Addiction's 1st album, "Nothing's Shocking". lol

 I could see the NFL deciding outcomes of games using referees, but at the level TWD is saying every play is choreographed. There would just have be too many people involved to keep it quiet for this long. Literally everyone down to the water boy would have to be in on it. There is no way that the NFL could keep that many people silent and to not have 1 anonymous source come out and say it’s all a sham? The amount of money that would take would not even be worth it for nfl to bother fixing games. Every dud coach or player would have to paid off, and that coach/player would get a more lucrative deal writing an anonymous book or article. Or maybe he thinks every sports writer is involved too being they are at many of the practices. Can you imagine? “ok SJ you are going to miss this 44 yard fg because we have to lose by 3 points and you will probably lose your job, but don’t worry the NFL is going to pay you enough to keep your mouth shut so you never have to work again as long as you don’t go to the media.” 

[Herodotus]

1 hour ago, mixum said:

I think maybe I should have used “bad omen” instead of “toast”…..

 

losing Hyde, Hamlin, Von, the Josh elbow Tommy John injury. The snowstorms, the travel, all bad weather games, devastating loss to Vikings. I know I’m forgetting something else. That’s what some teams face in 2-4 years no less 17 weeks. Insane they are 12-3. But reality is it’s over now. Only so much you can make up for. Just hope Hamlin is OK and try again next year.

Only and I mean only if they say its over.  Honestly though, the pressure is off this season.  They make a run in the playoffs, still not outside the realm of possibility, then great.  If not, well really who cares.

[StraightJ]

15 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Only and I mean only if they say its over.  Honestly though, the pressure is off this season.  They make a run in the playoffs, still not outside the realm of possibility, then great.  If not, well really who cares.

IThat post started off strong, then seemed to be like a guy who got bored in the middle of the act of fornication and decided to get a pedicure instead! 

 

II thought you said the agreeing with such stuff in the shoutbox was an act, artfully trolling.  You actually seem to be agreeing with folks declaring the season is over?  Even mixum felt bad enough he(credit to him) retracted the thread title.  His Omen is more in line with The Curse Of The Daryls which was reinvoked for this game.

Even Lit(yes Lit!)wisely noted that while he'd prefer a 1 seed, it is not the end of the world(might have said the difference isnt as big as some make it out to be).  FWIW, the Bills have won every game Jordan Poyer has played in.

 

And while I know vegas odds are no guarantee, they tend to be far less bias than some loud talker downers.  Do these odds, and the resiliency of this team suggest forgetting about this season?  Sure you can for your own emotions but otherwise?  It's not even as bad as having a "puncher's chance".  They're down literally by 4 points in the 1st quarter, even if you don't have the football wisdom of Lit and think this the same as a playoff game, they could still win this game by have a double digit lead long before the end of the 3rd quarter.   I know I've seen it enough.  Again, if it was a misunderstanding and you meant youve abandoned any expectations, I guess youre setting yourself up for a nicer surprise?

 

 

02:30 PM

Buffalo Bills

+390

Kansas City Chiefs

+450

San Francisco 49ers

+475

Philadelphia Eagles

+550

Cincinnati Bengals

+725

Dallas Cowboys

+1000

Los Angeles Chargers

+2000

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

+2200

Green Bay Packers

+2500

 

 

[StraightJ]

1 hour ago, Angry Byrds said:

 I could see the NFL deciding outcomes of games using referees, but at the level TWD is saying every play is choreographed. There would just have be too many people involved to keep it quiet for this long. Literally everyone down to the water boy would have to be in on it. There is no way that the NFL could keep that many people silent and to not have 1 anonymous source come out and say it’s all a sham? The amount of money that would take would not even be worth it for nfl to bother fixing games. Every dud coach or player would have to paid off, and that coach/player would get a more lucrative deal writing an anonymous book or article. Or maybe he thinks every sports writer is involved too being they are at many of the practices. Can you imagine? “ok SJ you are going to miss this 44 yard fg because we have to lose by 3 points and you will probably lose your job, but don’t worry the NFL is going to pay you enough to keep your mouth shut so you never have to work again as long as you don’t go to the media.” 

I hear you, it is not even necessary.  Maybe TWD means a handful of major plays are rehearsed?  I dunno, but what I do know is I'd rather not focus on the smaller percentage of things I disagree with someone on than focus on the many available I could agree with someone on(unless those things were fundamentals, like liberty, or campaigns of hate vs a specific player).  Heck, I even try to point out things I agree with Mixum on lol. 

I mean team sports is a good example of people coming together even when they have major fundamental differences.

To be clear, I am not saying anyone else must do this, but I think it might be an interesting experiment if a bunch of Rangers tried it.  Your rulers absolutely love the current (apparently default here?) mode of "divide and rule".  Did not the Lutheran Bible include that speck in the eye verse? I actually find that one useful when I actually remember it.  lol   I don't imagine the founding fathers got into intense disagreements on such trivial matters too often.  It just doesn't seem efficient, in my opinion.

 

But yes, to end on a good note your scenario does seem silly.  A fun hypothesis to consider would be a situation where a few teams give a metaphorical finger to the 1 score rule.   Maybe that is the true root of The Curse Of The Daryls?  :)  (mostly joking, but to me the new nfl has things beyond the current level of reckoning of human ability, as well as some that seem to defy probability...some hit both, which is why The Curse Of The Daryls is an interesting hypothesis, IMO.  Plus it supports due process, justice, and ethics in its aims.  I do not think Lutherans have any rule specifically banning karma, which is cause and effect, natural law).  (also, this society seems to at times confuse the words "hypothesis" and "theory").   Anyhow, I'm rambling.  Peace be unto you, and knowing me, I'd likely make the FG.  :)

[Sucked In Again]

When Seandelevan calls it!

[Greg]

Never. 12-3 and headed to the playoffs. LOL on the season is toast.

[thinwhiteduke]

5 hours ago, Angry Byrds said:

could see the NFL deciding outcomes of games using referees, but at the level TWD is saying every play is choreographed

I have never said that. Not every play.

That's far too black and white thinking.

 

They do have walk throughs and practice squads. So a majority of plays. Not all. They practice the same plays over and over during a week. 

Remember, they always talked about. We script the first 15 etc.. it's a half truth. Well, who's to say how many during a full game? 

 

 

 

 

 

[seandelevan]

2 hours ago, Sucked In Again said:

When Seandelevan calls it!

If they came out today…and said the season is over…I’d be 100% cool with that.

 

And playing on like nothing happened…seems so shitty. 

[Coach'sUncle'sSon]

Forfeit Bengals & Pats... skip playoffs--heads just not into Football... Hyde/Poyer/White retire... Siran Neal & Dean Marlowe go into counselling.

WTF! Can you imagine if he died, not just for 9+ minutes?

[Herodotus]

On 1/3/2023 at 4:30 PM, Coach'sUncle'sSon said:

Forfeit Bengals & Pats... skip playoffs--heads just not into Football... Hyde/Poyer/White retire... Siran Neal & Dean Marlowe go into counselling.

WTF! Can you imagine if he died, not just for 9+ minutes?

They were out of sync at first, but I think they got a fighting chance in the dance.  As for when will I admit the season is toast? Well, hopefully after I toast them being Superbowl champs.  Otherwise, its after they get beaten in the dance.

[Coach'sUncle'sSon]

3 hours ago, Herodotus said:

They were out of sync at first, but I think they got a fighting chance in the dance.  As for when will I admit the season is toast? Well, hopefully after I toast them being Superbowl champs.  Otherwise, its after they get beaten in the dance.

i HOPE they go all the way. Too much of my life is in shambles this season, like if i want the SB this shit must happen. Even little things like doors hinges coming outa walls, rats, problems with the dog, laptop died, wall of boxes falling over, recliner breaks, no running vehicle/transmission dies, etc. How much can I endure for a Bills SB, and is it worth it? They better be... I'll need a GoFundMe by the end of the month just for body parts/repair...