ICRockets2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, shiva2999 said: I don't see any difference in whose side of the fence the fight is on. Ukraine asked for it. They sold their souls to the Devil. Can't whine when you wind up in Hell. Congratulations I've been back for an hour and you're already going back on ignore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Congratulations I've been back for an hour and you're already going back on ignore Q'uel dommage, Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly'sFinest Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 41 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: They're wrong. A proxy war is when an armed conflict arises between 2 nations where one or both are doing so on behalf of a third party. The armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia does not meet this definition, because Ukraine isn't fighting on behalf of the US. They are defending their sovereignty against an invading military force. Completely wrong Unsurprising...considering the poster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 hours ago, Herodotus said: combine that with the outlawing of opposition parties, The parties that were banned were explicitly pro-Russian invasion. If there was a party in the US that was explicitly anti-democracy ("if") then I would wholeheartedly support banning them. A democracy cannot function if there are elements within it seeking power for the express purpose of using that power to end democracy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 Gee, and poor Ukraine was paradise on earth before the evil Russians arrived... Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 Meanwhile, in neighboring Poland... Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 Meanwhile, here's what's happening today... Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 8 hours ago, ICRockets2 said: The parties that were banned were explicitly pro-Russian invasion. If there was a party in the US that was explicitly anti-democracy ("if") then I would wholeheartedly support banning them. A democracy cannot function if there are elements within it seeking power for the express purpose of using that power to end democracy. 11 large parties? Plus you don't discuss the kill list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, Herodotus said: 11 large parties? Plus you don't discuss the kill list. I know nothing about any kill list and it is absolutely completely irrelevant to this conflict where Russia is the aggressor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, Herodotus said: 11 large parties? No. One large party and, as far as I can tell, 10 small ones. The "Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine" (a NazBol party, so not progressive or socialist at all) was one of the banned parties and they have not participated in federal elections for at least a decade. The last time they had a nominee at the local level was in 2020, and that was a single candidate for mayor in Romny. Come on, man. Stop spouting talking points and talk to me like you're a human being. You know you can't call this a large party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: I know nothing about any kill list and it is absolutely completely irrelevant to this conflict where Russia is the aggressor. Read Rand Corp Extending Russia, which was written in 2019, and which I posted on this forum under the title of Here is Your Smoking Gun and then try the Russia is the Aggressor one again. If you can still make that claim, you are embracing doublethink, if you can't you are embracing reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: No. One large party and, as far as I can tell, 10 small ones. The "Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine" (a NazBol party, so not progressive or socialist at all) was one of the banned parties and they have not participated in federal elections for at least a decade. The last time they had a nominee at the local level was in 2020, and that was a single candidate for mayor in Romny. Come on, man. Stop spouting talking points and talk to me like you're a human being. You know you can't call this a large party. Oh so only one large party, but its okay you disagree with them so its fine. See a problem yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Herodotus said: Oh so only one large party, but its okay you disagree with them so its fine. See a problem yet? No, I didn't say it's okay because I disagree with them. I said it's okay because that party supported the Russian invasion. A sovereign democracy cannot survive if it allows parties that are opposed to that sovereign democracy's continued existence to participate in government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Herodotus said: Read Rand Corp Extending Russia, which was written in 2019, and which I posted on this forum under the title of Here is Your Smoking Gun and then try the Russia is the Aggressor one again. If you can still make that claim, you are embracing doublethink, if you can't you are embracing reality. Russia is the aggressor. They invaded Ukraine. Period, end of story, that is what makes you an aggressor. Is the West ANTAGONISTIC toward Russia? Absolutely. I would argue they are right to be, but that's immaterial to this point. Antagonism is not the same as aggression. The armed conflict was initiated by Russia's military operation in a country that did not sanction that operation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Russia is the aggressor. They invaded Ukraine. Period, end of story, that is what makes you an aggressor. Is the West ANTAGONISTIC toward Russia? Absolutely. I would argue they are right to be, but that's immaterial to this point. Antagonism is not the same as aggression. The armed conflict was initiated by Russia's military operation in a country that did not sanction that operation. That makes them the aggressor. Ridiculous. History didn't begin on Feb 26. Here's another term. Instigator. The expression "asking for it" exists in the English language for a reason. Same thing with "picking a fight". 1 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: No, I didn't say it's okay because I disagree with them. I said it's okay because that party supported the Russian invasion. A sovereign democracy cannot survive if it allows parties that are opposed to that sovereign democracy's continued existence to participate in government. Sovereign Democracy? Oh my God that's as rich grandma's fudge: Could you imagine the shit show if the Russian MFA's secretary for the Americas passed out vodka and pirozhkis on 1/6 But since you care so much for Ukrainian sovereignty and have your head up your proxy here is more Vicky Nuland caring about Ukraine's "sovereignty" But but but mean ole Russia is the Aggressor because the shitbags I support and the nazi shitbags they support are saints alive and Francis should canonize them immediately, and gibby put that ramrod down because I don't mean firing them out of a cannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Now, just so we are clear, you supported Nuland and Obomber's we don't need to read no stinking Kennan banderanazi putsch because your team orchestrated it and as such it did not undermine Ukraine's "sovereign democracy," but Ukrainians who oppose a government thrust upon them by the west and that they see as an illegitimate nazi puppet government should be put on kill lists and should have no say over their goverment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Herodotus said: Sovereign Democracy? Oh my God that's as rich grandma's fudge: Could you imagine the shit show if the Russian MFA's secretary for the Americas passed out vodka and pirozhkis on 1/6 But since you care so much for Ukrainian sovereignty and have your head up your proxy here is more Vicky Nuland caring about Ukraine's "sovereignty But but but mean ole Russia is the Aggressor because the shitbags I support and the nazi shitbags they support are saints alive and Francis should canonize them immediately, and gibby put that ramrod down because I don't mean firing them out of a cannon Dontcha just love guys who insist history started on a certain date and anything that happened before is irrelevant? 1 Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Herodotus said: Sovereign Democracy? Oh my God that's as rich grandma's fudge: Could you imagine the shit show if the Russian MFA's secretary for the Americas passed out vodka and pirozhkis on 1/6 But since you care so much for Ukrainian sovereignty and have your head up your proxy here is more Vicky Nuland caring about Ukraine's "sovereignty" But but but mean ole Russia is the Aggressor because the shitbags I support and the nazi shitbags they support are saints alive and Francis should canonize them immediately, and gibby put that ramrod down because I don't mean firing them out of a cannon Oh neat, schizoposting, I love when I'm expected to respond to the things somebody believes in their head but doesn't understand enough to put into coherent sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRockets2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Herodotus said: Now, just so we are clear, you supported Nuland and Obomber's we don't need to read no stinking Kennan banderanazi putsch because your team orchestrated it and as such it did not undermine Ukraine's "sovereign democracy," but Ukrainians who oppose a government thrust upon them by the west and that they see as an illegitimate nazi puppet government should be put on kill lists and should have no say over their goverment? Stop schizoposting and have a conversation with ME, not some fantasy strawman you think I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said: Stop schizoposting and have a conversation with ME, not some fantasy strawman you think I agree with. Sorry, but you don't get to set the bar for what's relevant and what's not. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodotus Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said: Oh neat, schizoposting, I love when I'm expected to respond to the things somebody believes in their head but doesn't understand enough to put into coherent sentences. Do you really want to talk mental illness? Do you? You sure about that? I can go down that road if you want but you won't like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiva2999 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 BTW, I'm having trouble believing this guy is the second coming of ICR. My guess is Lit himself. Quote "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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