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Are you willing to die for Ukraine?


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13 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Not because of the war in Ukraine, I know that much.

So you admit there is unrest and danger in Russia and that this is a legitimate reason for people to flee?

So what's the number of russians fleeing their country that would make you say "wow, that's alot of people fleeing danger in russia."?

1. Correlation is not necessarily causation.

2. Of course there is "unrest". There are good reasons to be concerned. "Danger"? Russia is in the cross hairs of the American Empire. Sounds dangerous to me.

3. There are what, 160 million or so Russians in Russia? Say 100 million adults. Even with 80% approval, 20 million are going to be in opposition. It's to be expected.

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6 hours ago, Herodotus said:

When a claim is made, the burden of proof is on the one making it.  If I said F8tality was verywideright's boyfriend then it would be on me to prove it, not you to disprove it.  You'd merely have to confirm or deny.  If you confirmed I would say you can do better, if you were to deny then unless I had overwhelming evidence then I would have to recant.  You have CNN and CBS, two American corporate state media outlets using footage that has not been independently verified and who want to sell you a proxy war and as such because you made an extraordinary claim without providing extraordinary evidence you have not proved your claim

This is definitionally not a proxy war.

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2 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

This is definitionally not a proxy war.

"Definitionally"?

LOL,

That's a first for me.

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5 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

I'm sorry I somehow triggered you by not saying "by definition"

I thought it was adorable.

Keep it up.

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http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

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2 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

They're being drafted and given corroded guns and bullets, of course they're in danger.

rofl

sure...

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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

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16 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

This is definitionally not a proxy war.

Granted, they are a trashy propaganda rag with no honesty, but here is what the nation's birdcage liner and puppy paper of note says:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/russia-is-right-the-us-is-waging-aproxy-war-in-ukraine/2022/05/10/2c8058a4-d051-11ec-886b-df76183d233f_story.html

 

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1 minute ago, Herodotus said:

Bullshit, Ukraine is armed by the US, trained by the US, receives real time intel from the US, the Rand Corp wrote how this war would be fought in 2019, and in 2014 the US put in the murderous fascists in power in Ukraine who spent the last 8 years developing biological weaponry for the Pentagon and slaughtering ethnic Russians.

How they're armed and trained has nothing to do with whether or not a war is a proxy war.  The definition of a proxy war is focused on the REASON they are fighting. 

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10 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

 in 2014 the US put in the murderous fascists in power in Ukraine

You keep saying this, but none of the evidence supports it.  Were there Nazis involved in Maidan?  Yeah, of course.  But if they were a majority in Ukraine, or even a significant population, there would be more of them in Parliament.  Aren't there only 1 or 2 from Right Sector and none from the other ethnonationalist parties?

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4 hours ago, shiva2999 said:

Last thing I read, it was against the law in Ukraine for men between 18 and 65 to leave the country.

They are all expected to do their duty as cannon fodder.

While I oppose that edict and think anyone should be allowed to flee an area in which they do not wish to remain, there is a massive difference in being enlisted to defend your country against an active invasion and being enlisted to participate in the invasion.

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7 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

You keep saying this, but none of the evidence supports it.  Were there Nazis involved in Maidan?  Yeah, of course.  But if they were a majority in Ukraine, or even a significant population, there would be more of them in Parliament.  Aren't there only 1 or 2 from Right Sector and none from the other ethnonationalist parties?

Oh please.

It's like the Mafia. They don't want to be the government, they just want to own it.

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4 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

While I oppose that edict and think anyone should be allowed to flee an area in which they do not wish to remain, there is a massive difference in being enlisted to defend your country against an active invasion and being enlisted to participate in the invasion.

I don't see any difference in whose side of the fence the fight is on.

Ukraine asked for it.

They sold their souls to the Devil.

Can't whine when you wind up in Hell.

"The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." ~ Gen. Mark (Killer) Kimmitt

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http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

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1 minute ago, ICRockets2 said:

That's not a cogent analogy.  The Mafia is organized crime.  Nazism is a political ideology. 

A distinction without a difference.

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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/911_newpearlharbor.pdf

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

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