Are you willing to die for Ukraine?

[shiva2999]

How about your family? Your friends? Your country?

Would that show Putin?

 

[f8ta1ity54]

Nice. Tucker Carlson is the go to source on Russian propaganda. 

[Herodotus]

Nope, but you have to remember that we have been planning to goad Russia into war since at least 2019. I know you may be too dense to appreciate how influential the Rand Corporation is, but this war will go nuclear and the last thing we hear before we melt is that nukes mean freedom.  That we are dying for fucking nazis is awful 

 

[shiva2999]

1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Nice. Tucker Carlson is the go to source on Russian propaganda. 

What did he say that you disagree with?

[shiva2999]

 

prov·o·ca·tion

/ˌprävəˈkāSH(ə)n/noun

1. action or speech that makes someone annoyed or angry, especially deliberately.

    

   For those of you that weren't aware of it and blubber "but Russia fired the first shot...", provocation is a actual word because it's an actual thing.

   SYNONYMS FOR provocation

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   • affront
   • harassment
   • indignity
   • insult
   • annoyance
   • brickbat
   • cause
   • challenge
   • dare
   • grabber
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   • incentive
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   • justification
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   • vexation
   • bothering
   • casus belli

 

[f8ta1ity54]

7 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

What did he say that you disagree with?

 

"Biden's advisors wanted a total regime change war against Russia apparently to avenge the election of Donald Trump which they believed Putin was responsible for and they were willing to fight to the last Ukrainian to get it" Source?

"in other words who cares what the ukrainians want America and the UK demand total war with Russia regime change war with Russia and of course the ukrainians caught the middle had no choice but to concede so days later the peace negotiations fell apart"

The russian's were demanding that a sovereign nation not join NATO or the EU, that they need to acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and recognize Lugansk and Donetsk as independent states. Why should Ukraine have to do that?

"a war designed to topple Vladimir Putin just like we toppled Saddam Hussein"

Russia started an offensive war. This wasn't a plan by the Biden administration.

 

"this week president zielinski of Ukraine gave an interview to the left-wing newspaper the guardian and in it he casually called for the United States to Nuke Vladimir Putin quote the other nuclear States need to say very firmly that as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes on foreign territory in this case the territory of Ukraine there will be swift retaliatory nuclear strikes to destroy the nuclear launch sites in Russia parsed that and we're quoting as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes meaning before Russia actually launches missiles the U.S needs to launch nuclear weapons against Russia in other words we need to launch nuclear weapons now"

Thats not what is being said at all. This is pure propaganda. this is the exact quote by zelensky:

"The other nuclear states need to say very firmly that as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes on foreign territory—in this case the territory of Ukraine—there will be swift retaliatory nuclear strikes to destroy the nuclear launch sites in Russia,"

What Zelensky is saying is that the west should warn russia that a nuclear strike on Ukraine will be met with force.

"The United States is ready to pursue critical arms control measures. A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought," -Joe Biden 

"it's not a bluff says Putin who we are told is insane so we probably should take it seriously he is after all running a country with the largest nuclear Arsenal on the planet and he's talking about using nuclear weapons if the West continues to threaten Russia's territorial integrity it's a conditional warning and of course threatening Russia's territorial integrity was never part of the deal"

Thats an interesting way to put it. Considering that Russia is trying to reclaim its historical borders from a sovereign nation. Putin made those blood and soil arguments in a 45 minute rant before he INVADED.

"for they're pushing for toppling the government of Russia and once again hoping that everything will be fine"

No they aren't. This is straight russian propaganda.

"Ukraine's government called for an immediate nuclear attack on Russia an attack that would without question result in the immediate destruction of New York Washington D.C Los Angeles the deaths of tens of millions of Americans that's what he just said"

No he fucking didnt. Fear monger much? Holy fuck

Thats only 5:55 seconds into the video. I dont need to see any more to know that this is russian propaganda. This is absolute garbage.

 

 

[shiva2999]

12 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

 

1. "Biden's advisors wanted a total regime change war against Russia apparently to avenge the election of Donald Trump which they believed Putin was responsible for and they were willing to fight to the last Ukrainian to get it" Source?

2. "in other words who cares what the ukrainians want America and the UK demand total war with Russia regime change war with Russia and of course the ukrainians caught the middle had no choice but to concede so days later the peace negotiations fell apart"

The russian's were demanding that a sovereign nation not join NATO or the EU, that they need to acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and recognize Lugansk and Donetsk as independent states. Why should Ukraine have to do that?

3. "a war designed to topple Vladimir Putin just like we toppled Saddam Hussein"

Russia started an offensive war. This wasn't a plan by the Biden administration.

4. "this week president zielinski of Ukraine gave an interview to the left-wing newspaper the guardian and in it he casually called for the United States to Nuke Vladimir Putin quote the other nuclear States need to say very firmly that as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes on foreign territory in this case the territory of Ukraine there will be swift retaliatory nuclear strikes to destroy the nuclear launch sites in Russia parsed that and we're quoting as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes meaning before Russia actually launches missiles the U.S needs to launch nuclear weapons against Russia in other words we need to launch nuclear weapons now"

Thats not what is being said at all. This is pure propaganda. this is the exact quote by zelensky:

"The other nuclear states need to say very firmly that as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes on foreign territory—in this case the territory of Ukraine—there will be swift retaliatory nuclear strikes to destroy the nuclear launch sites in Russia,"

What Zelensky is saying is that the west should warn russia that a nuclear strike on Ukraine will be met with force.

5. "The United States is ready to pursue critical arms control measures. A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought," -Joe Biden 

"it's not a bluff says Putin who we are told is insane so we probably should take it seriously he is after all running a country with the largest nuclear Arsenal on the planet and he's talking about using nuclear weapons if the West continues to threaten Russia's territorial integrity it's a conditional warning and of course threatening Russia's territorial integrity was never part of the deal"

Thats an interesting way to put it. Considering that Russia is trying to reclaim its historical borders from a sovereign nation. Putin made those blood and soil arguments in a 45 minute rant before he INVADED.

6. "for they're pushing for toppling the government of Russia and once again hoping that everything will be fine"

No they aren't. This is straight russian propaganda.

7. "Ukraine's government called for an immediate nuclear attack on Russia an attack that would without question result in the immediate destruction of New York Washington D.C Los Angeles the deaths of tens of millions of Americans that's what he just said"

No he fucking didnt. Fear monger much? Holy fuck

8.Thats only 5:55 seconds into the video. I dont need to see any more to know that this is russian propaganda. This is absolute garbage.

 

 

1.  Source? Where the fuck have you been for the last 6 years?

2. The promise was made by NATO itself. And the borders of Ukraine were decided by the Soviets, not the people. The people in the Donbass and Crimea overwhelmingly want to be Russian, not Ukrainian.

3. Oh, please. Was there, or was there not an American sponsored and funded murderous coup in 2014 that ousted the popularly elected government?

4. Excuse me? WTF does this mean to you? "The other nuclear states need to say very firmly that as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes on foreign territory—in this case the territory of Ukraine—there will be swift retaliatory nuclear strikes to destroy the nuclear launch sites in Russia,"

"...even THINKS OF...", "...there WILL BE..."

Putin was exactly correct in his reading.

5. No, Russia is not trying to restore it's historical borders, it's trying to protect innocent people who are being killed by Ukrainian fascists.

6. Your opinion. Mine is different. Claiming the US is on the side of the angels is utterly riciculous.

7. It's exactly what he said.

8. No, it isn't. You're the shitlib garbage man here.

[f8ta1ity54]

14 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

1.  Source? Where the fuck have you been for the last 6 years?

No. You cant just claim that the biden administration wants to do regime change in russia because of trump without evidence. This is complete bullshit.

14 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

2. The promise was made by NATO itself. And the borders of Ukraine were decided by the Soviets, not the people. The people in the Donbass and Crimea overwhelmingly want to be Russian, not Ukrainian.

Ukraine's borders are internationally recognized....That doesnt give russia the right to annex.

14 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

3. Oh, please. Was there, or was there not an American sponsored and funded murderous coup in 2014 that ousted the popularly elected government?

Demonstrate how the US is trying to do a regime change in Russia right now.

14 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

4. Excuse me? WTF does this mean to you? "The other nuclear states need to say very firmly that as soon as Russia even thinks of carrying out nuclear strikes on foreign territory—in this case the territory of Ukraine—there will be swift retaliatory nuclear strikes to destroy the nuclear launch sites in Russia,"

"...even THINKS OF...", "...there WILL BE..."

Putin was exactly correct in his reading.

what does the word retaliatory mean to you?

14 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

5. No, Russia is not trying to restore it's historical borders, it's trying to protect innocent people who are being killed by Ukrainian fascists.

 

"Russian propaganda has painted the Ukrainian state as Nazi and fascist ever since Russian special forces first entered Ukraine in 2014, annexing the Crimea and fomenting the conflict in the Donbas, which has smoldered for eight long years.

It was propaganda in 2014. It remains propaganda today."

 

"We strongly reject the Russian government’s cynical abuse of the term genocide, the memory of World War II and the Holocaust, and the equation of the Ukrainian state with the Nazi regime to justify its unprovoked aggression. This rhetoric is factually wrong, morally repugnant and deeply offensive to the memory of millions of victims of Nazism and those who courageously fought against it, including Russian and Ukrainian soldiers of the Red Army."

This is just a bunch of scholars who completely disagree with you. Statement on the War in Ukraine by Scholars of Genocide, Nazism and World War II (jewishjournal.com)

14 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

6. Your opinion. Mine is different. Claiming the US is on the side of the angels is utterly riciculous.

lol so support your argument with evidence. Where did I claim "the us is on the side of angels"? Do you just love knocking down strawmen?

14 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

7. It's exactly what he said.

No he didn't. the fucking quote is right there. what does retaliatory mean again?

14 minutes ago, shiva2999 said:

8. No, it isn't. You're the shitlib garbage man here.

LOL just remember, you are the guy taking every word Carlson says as gospel and yet he has argued IN COURT that no reasonable person should take him seriously.

[Herodotus]

 

 

What f8t does not grasp is that we started this. See the fucking Rand Co. Report I posted. We goaded Russia to invade.

 

So why did Russia invade in Feb?

 

1. The Ukes had over half their army poised to attack the Donbass in violation of Minsk, and there was a date for that attack, March 8.

2. The Ukes were being armed by NATO.

3. They, with NATO assistance (meaning Mercun) were working on biological and nuclear weaponry

4. They, in violation of Minsk, had been shelling and killing thousands of Donbass civilians

5. They had a Nazi government installed by Barack Obummer and Jodolph Bidler back in 2014

6. NATO, as the Rand Co. Said it wanted us to do, placed forward NATO troops to attack Russia.  

7. NATO was also putting nuclear capable missiles into Poland and Romania

I get it, facts don't interest you because you are deluded and ignorant, probably wilful, fuck stick but that is your problem and not mine

 

[shiva2999]

9 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

I get it, facts don't interest you because you are deluded and ignorant, probably wilful, fuck stick but that is your problem and not mine

 

 

 

He's pretty reasonable on most stuff, so he surprised me by drinking the Ukrainian koolaid.

How anyone can watch the Maidan footage and yet insist Ukraine is a God fearing goody two shoes "democracy" is beyond me.

[shiva2999]

7 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Nice. Tucker Carlson is the go to source on Russian propaganda. 

LOL!

You too could work for MSNBC!

 

[Herodotus]

 

Oh and F8t, remember the Ukrainian disaster started in 2014 when the American ambassador Vicky Cookie Can't Nuland passed out cookies and gave money to the Maidanazis as they overthrew a democratic government who committed the mortal sin of taking a lower interest higher dollar loan from Russia and not the west. Let me help you see if you can see the problem here. Imagine if you will that on 1/6/21 the Russian ambassador had shown up to Capitol Hill and given vodka bottles and pirozhkis to them. I guarantee you the Democraps and most GOPers would call it an act of war. Fuck, looking back I wish Putin would have told them to.

[shiva2999]

More truth to make the shitlibs squeal...

 

[shiva2999]

Odessa, Ukraine 2014...

 

[shiva2999]

Ukraine Burning 2014

 

[Thebowflexbody]

HELL NO.  No one anywhere gave a rat's ass about Ukraine until THIS YEAR.  It's a TOTAL SCAM.

 

[Herodotus]

32 minutes ago, Thebowflexbody said:

HELL NO.  No one anywhere gave a rat's ass about Ukraine until THIS YEAR.  It's a TOTAL SCAM.

 

Yes and no.  You are right that its a scam, but its an incredibly dangerous scam.  I first started paying attention to what was going on in Ukraine back in the Bush administration launched the "orange" revolution.  I really started paying attention in 2014 with the Maidanazi putsch.  I knew from that moment on that we were headed towards war.  I knew when Hillary played the Russia card that the long term aim was to start rallying American support for something that at the time I thought was so fucking horrifying that surely it was just a nightmare, namely war between two nuclear powers.  I knew that as soon as the Democrats and many Republicans sought to outlaw any Trump move towards peaceful resolution of differences between Ukraine and Russia along with our continued arming of Ukraine that Ukraine would not end well for anyone.  So when Stoltenberg and Biden laughed off Russia's security concerns and goaded Russia to invade its neighbor, I knew at that time that this would end in a nuclear inferno.  Buh dyauh Gibby that's not gonna happen.  Oh, but it already is.  You think Russia is just mobilizing 300,000 people to protect its new Zaprozhiye, Donetsk, Lugansk, and Kherson provinces? No, its because they are fully expecting a direct fight with NATO.  Hell, they are already in a direct fight with NATO and they fucking know it.  They are reporting of the large amount of English chatter they are hearing in Kharkov and the Donbass.  NATO special ops are already in Ukraine and probably in Russia's rear areas.  The mobilization and unification referendums are but nearly the next step in escalation.  We might not see Ukraine go nuclear for a little while yet, but we are going to see that.  Its not a question of IF it happens, but merely WHEN.  We have forgotten the rules of the last Cold War.  Well, its too bad, but yeah I am building a bunker.  I just hope its solid enough to survive after Russia decides to hit the many strategic targets within 50 miles of my home.  

[Herodotus]

Here, let this guide your opinion about whether to find a peaceful way out of this war or if you want to continue to press on with this disaster:

Nuclear War Map: what would happen in a nuclear war?

[micknaboz]

37 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Here, let this guide your opinion about whether to find a peaceful way out of this war or if you want to continue to press on with this disaster:

Nuclear War Map: what would happen in a nuclear war?

Too fked up to even want to think about it. I'm in one of the ground zero points, which I'm ok with, not sure I'd want to live through the aftermath of the unthinkable. Question is, what would be your solution to avoid this?  Give Putin Ukraine or any other country that once made up the USSR?  Cuz I'm pretty sure that's a big part of his objective. And lets say Putin does resort to using nukes, would you try and justify it in anyway whatsoever?  Right now I'm just praying Russia's deep state can handle this and Putin, whatever it takes.

[shiva2999]

 

[f8ta1ity54]

Looks like a lot of russians dont want to die for russia either. 

You think these are the same people that voted for putin and wanted war with ukraine?

[Herodotus]

46 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Looks like a lot of russians dont want to die for russia either. 

You think these are the same people that voted for putin and wanted war with ukraine?

What would CNN's motive be in reporting this? Here let me give you a visual aid:

[f8ta1ity54]

Just now, Herodotus said:

What would CNN's motive be in reporting this? Here let me give you a visual aid:

What is russia's motive to say this isnt true?

[Herodotus]

1 minute ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

What is russia's motive to say this isnt true?

When a claim is made, the burden of proof is on the one making it.  If I said F8tality was verywideright's boyfriend then it would be on me to prove it, not you to disprove it.  You'd merely have to confirm or deny.  If you confirmed I would say you can do better, if you were to deny then unless I had overwhelming evidence then I would have to recant.  You have CNN and CBS, two American corporate state media outlets using footage that has not been independently verified and who want to sell you a proxy war and as such because you made an extraordinary claim without providing extraordinary evidence you have not proved your claim

[f8ta1ity54]

Just now, Herodotus said:

When a claim is made, the burden of proof is on the one making it.  If I said F8tality was verywideright's boyfriend then it would be on me to prove it, not you to disprove it.  You'd merely have to confirm or deny.  If you confirmed I would say you can do better, if you were to deny then unless I had overwhelming evidence then I would have to recant.  You have CNN and CBS, two American corporate state media outlets using footage that has not been independently verified and who want to sell you a proxy war and as such because you made an extraordinary claim without providing extraordinary evidence you have not proved your claim

OK, I said it looks like Russians dont want to fight for Russia, and I posted the above videos.

Claim- check

Evidence- check

So are you just contesting whether the videos are real Russians leaving Russia?