f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Why won't Trump make this argument in his court filings? @Philly'sFinest care to enlighten us why trump wont claim he can declassify documents telepathically in court? Trump Claims He Could Declassify Documents by Thinking About Doing so (businessinsider.com) Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday baselessly claimed to Fox News host Sean Hannity that he could have declassified top-secret documents just by thinking about doing it during his time in office. During a lengthy sit-down interview that aired on Wednesday night, Hannity asked Trump if there was a "process" that he went through to get the documents found at his Mar-a-Lago home declassified. Trump is currently the subject of an FBI probe into whether he broke any of three federal laws — including the Espionage Act — by keeping the documents at his Florida residence. During the FBI's raid of Mar-a-Lago on August 8, the agency seized 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked "top secret." "There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it, and, you know, there's different people saying different things," Trump told Hannity. "But as I understand, that doesn't have to be. If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying: 'It's declassified.' Even by thinking about it. Because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago, or to wherever you're sending it," Trump said. He went on to claim that he understood that "there can be a process" to declassify documents but that it didn't necessarily apply to him because he was president then. "You're the president, you make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything," Trump claimed, adding that he believed the National Archives and Records Administration was run by a "radical left group." Trump's claim to Hannity is erroneous. While sitting presidents can declassify documents, there is a process to get these documents declassified that involves proper documentation. Leon Panetta, an Obama-era defense secretary, told CNN's Jake Tapper in August that there is a procedure involving paperwork from multiple agencies to get confidential information — like the files found in Trump's Florida residence — declassified. "If presidents want to declassify, they have to follow that process which basically requires that it be referred to the agencies that are responsible for classifying that material," Panetta told CNN. "They have something to say as to whether or not that material should be declassified." "So there is nothing that I'm aware of that indicates that a formal step was taken by this president to, in fact, declassify anything. Right now, this is pretty much BS," he added. Trump's lawyers are attempting to get themselves out of having to hand over information about whether the documents were formally declassified. In a letter to Judge Raymond Dearie — who was appointed, upon Trump's request, as a third-party neutral investigator — the former president's lawyers asked that he not have to hand over evidence about declassification in case such information becomes part of his defense in a subsequent indictment. This refusal to provide evidence earned a solid rebuke from Dearie, who told Trump's lawyers that they cannot "have your cake and eat it." Meanwhile, a federal court has given the go-ahead to investigators to resume their review of classified records seized from Mar-a-Lago, following a successful application by the Department of Justice against District Judge Aileen Cannon's decision to halt the probe into the documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Wow, The S.TU.P.I.D defense. I wonder if it will be as good as the Chewbacca defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Trump takes off his wig to declassify documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RichJ Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 So much tds. It's worse than covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, RichJ said: So much tds. It's worse than covid. Do you have an explanation for why trump will make these arguments on FOX but wont make them in court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Philly'sFinest Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Got a message that F8 replied to me Sorry, bud...I don't see or read those posts LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknaboz Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, RichJ said: So much tds. It's worse than covid. It's called the law. Maybe you've heard of it. Or maybe you think it only applies to Democrats which I think is the way you feel. More likely you're on of those Trump referred to when he said he could kill someone in Times Square crowded with people in broad daylight and he would still get off. Talk about TDS. Thats about as TDS as one can get. Quote [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Philly'sFinest said: Got a message that F8 replied to me Sorry, bud...I don't see or read those posts LOL No one is fooled by this response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Philly'sFinest said: Got a message that F8 replied to me Sorry, bud...I don't see or read those posts LOL Russians bought vodka, Asians bought rice , Hispanics bought beans and tortilla , but I never understood why white people were buying toilet paper during the pandemic when Trump was still in power. As it turns out, it was the people with TDS who were buying all the toilet paper since they were crapping in their pants and drinking all the hand sanitizers at the thought of Trump winning a 2nd term . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.TonyasTaters Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Why won't Trump make this argument in his court filings? @Philly'sFinest care to enlighten us why trump wont claim he can declassify documents telepathically in court? Trump Claims He Could Declassify Documents by Thinking About Doing so (businessinsider.com) Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday baselessly claimed to Fox News host Sean Hannity that he could have declassified top-secret documents just by thinking about doing it during his time in office. During a lengthy sit-down interview that aired on Wednesday night, Hannity asked Trump if there was a "process" that he went through to get the documents found at his Mar-a-Lago home declassified. Trump is currently the subject of an FBI probe into whether he broke any of three federal laws — including the Espionage Act — by keeping the documents at his Florida residence. During the FBI's raid of Mar-a-Lago on August 8, the agency seized 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked "top secret." "There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it, and, you know, there's different people saying different things," Trump told Hannity. "But as I understand, that doesn't have to be. If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying: 'It's declassified.' Even by thinking about it. Because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago, or to wherever you're sending it," Trump said. He went on to claim that he understood that "there can be a process" to declassify documents but that it didn't necessarily apply to him because he was president then. "You're the president, you make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything," Trump claimed, adding that he believed the National Archives and Records Administration was run by a "radical left group." Trump's claim to Hannity is erroneous. While sitting presidents can declassify documents, there is a process to get these documents declassified that involves proper documentation. Leon Panetta, an Obama-era defense secretary, told CNN's Jake Tapper in August that there is a procedure involving paperwork from multiple agencies to get confidential information — like the files found in Trump's Florida residence — declassified. "If presidents want to declassify, they have to follow that process which basically requires that it be referred to the agencies that are responsible for classifying that material," Panetta told CNN. "They have something to say as to whether or not that material should be declassified." "So there is nothing that I'm aware of that indicates that a formal step was taken by this president to, in fact, declassify anything. Right now, this is pretty much BS," he added. Trump's lawyers are attempting to get themselves out of having to hand over information about whether the documents were formally declassified. In a letter to Judge Raymond Dearie — who was appointed, upon Trump's request, as a third-party neutral investigator — the former president's lawyers asked that he not have to hand over evidence about declassification in case such information becomes part of his defense in a subsequent indictment. This refusal to provide evidence earned a solid rebuke from Dearie, who told Trump's lawyers that they cannot "have your cake and eat it." Meanwhile, a federal court has given the go-ahead to investigators to resume their review of classified records seized from Mar-a-Lago, following a successful application by the Department of Justice against District Judge Aileen Cannon's decision to halt the probe into the documents. Yep the Terrorist said that. Trump just thinks he has the authority to do whatever he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Do you have an explanation for why trump will make these arguments on FOX but wont make them in court? 11 minutes ago, RichJ said: Russians bought vodka, Asians bought rice , Hispanics bought beans and tortilla , but I never understood why white people were buying toilet paper during the pandemic when Trump was still in power. As it turns out, it was the people with TDS who were buying all the toilet paper since were crapping in their pants and drinking all the hand sanitizers at the thought of Trump winning a 2nd term . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, micknaboz said: It's called the law. Maybe you've heard of it. Or maybe you think it only applies to Democrats which I think is the way you feel. More likely you're on of those Trump referred to when he said he could kill someone in Times Square crowded with people in broad daylight and he would still get off. Talk about TDS. Thats about as TDS as one can get. Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988: This law, co-sponsored by Biden, strengthened prison sentences for drug possession, enhanced penalties for transporting drugs, and established the Office of National Drug Control Policy, which coordinates and leads federal anti-drug efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, RichJ said: Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988: This law, co-sponsored by Biden, strengthened prison sentences for drug possession, enhanced penalties for transporting drugs, and established the Office of National Drug Control Policy, which coordinates and leads federal anti-drug efforts. Yea that was a bad move. But it was also a concession to what the GOP wanted. which would have been worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just now, f8ta1ity54 said: Yea that was a bad move. But it was also a concession to what the GOP wanted. which would have been worse. 1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Do you have an explanation for why trump will make these arguments on FOX but wont make them in court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknaboz Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Another deflection by Richie boy. So you saying Trump didn't break the law by taking Classified Documents out of the WH? C'mon troll it's a simple yes or no question. Quote [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Yea that was a bad move. But it was also a concession to what the GOP wanted. which would have been worse. The deflection queen speaks again. I was responding to the anger management patient denverboz about how the law supposedly applies to democrats only. Hunter is living proof of white lib privilege. You're so slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, RichJ said: The deflection queen speaks again. I was responding to the anger management patient denverboz about how the law supposedly applies to democrats only. Hunter is living proof of white lib privilege. You're so slow. i thought you were talking about the crime bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, micknaboz said: Another deflection by Richie boy. So you saying Trump didn't break the law by taking Classified Documents out of the WH? C'mon troll it's a simple yes or no question. He's definitely guilty if you ask the guys who raided his house. Same people who spied on him. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknaboz Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, RichJ said: The deflection queen speaks again. I was responding to the anger management patient denverboz about how the law supposedly applies to democrats only. Hunter is living proof of white lib privilege. You're so slow. I knew you wouldn't answer my question troll boy. Quote [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: i thought you were talking about the crime bill. Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986: This law, sponsored and partly written by Biden, ratcheted up penalties for drug crimes. It also created a big sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine; even though the drugs are pharmacologically similar, the law made it so someone would need to possess 100 times the amount of powder cocaine to be eligible for the same mandatory minimum sentence for crack. Since crack is more commonly used by Black Americans, this sentencing disparity helped fuel big racial disparities in incarceration. . Crime bill incarcerated minorites but not this guy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJ Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, micknaboz said: I knew you wouldn't answer my question troll boy. you were saying about the law applying to democrats only? LOL . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f8ta1ity54 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, RichJ said: Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986: This law, sponsored and partly written by Biden, ratcheted up penalties for drug crimes. It also created a big sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine; even though the drugs are pharmacologically similar, the law made it so someone would need to possess 100 times the amount of powder cocaine to be eligible for the same mandatory minimum sentence for crack. Since crack is more commonly used by Black Americans, this sentencing disparity helped fuel big racial disparities in incarceration. . Crime bill incarcerated minorites but not this guy . So now you understand what systemic racism is. Took you long enough. I'm glad you could finally prove my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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