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These people are fucking wack jobs. Keep your delusions to yourself. Christian Nationalism will be the death of this country, it sure as hell wont be Islamic extremism. 

 

“Without the Bible, there is no America”: Josh Hawley goes full Christian nationalist at NatCon | Salon.com

 

Republican politics may be about to get a lot more churchy than they already are. On Monday, the second day of the National Conservatism conference here, conference organizer Yoram Hazony, chair of the Edmund Burke Foundation, called on conservatives, repeatedly, to "repent." This chastisement was focused in large part on what Hazony — also the author of "The Virtue of Nationalism" and the recent "Conservatism: A Rediscovery" — considers excessive squeamishness on the political right to discuss what he sees as the Christian roots of the United States. 

This might come as a surprise to many Americans who have watched the increasingly overt and forceful alliance between the Republican far right and Christian nationalism. But Hazony envisions something on a broader societal level: the restoration of Christianity as the "public culture" of America, meaning that Christian values and observances are assumed to reflect the will of the majority, and while non-Christians should not face active discrimination they also should not expect to see their values reflected in the public square. Hazony himself is Jewish, but has argued for the past several years that only such a restoration of public Christianity — through things like a return to Bible instruction in public schools — can stave off the threat of "woke neo-Marxism." Toward that end, he argued, Republicans need to be even more explicit than they already are.

 

"When politicians come and stand on this stage," he asked, "do they mention the Bible? No, never." He continued, seeming to directly reference a quote from the speech that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis had delivered on the opening night of the conference: "Do they mention God? Yes, yes they do. They'll always say the same thing: 'Well, our rights come from God, not government.' OK,  fair enough. Can you tell me, when did God give you those rights?" There was an answer to that question, he continued: "We got these rights from God in the Bible." 

An hour later, when Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley took to the stage, he eagerly obliged, delivering a speech that might as well have been a sermon. 

In 2021, when Hawley last spoke at NatCon, he drew nationwide headlines for his declaration that "the Left" sought to "unmake manhood" and create "a world beyond men," and widespread mockery for his contention that feminist critiques of masculinity had led to a generation of young men addicted to video games and pornography. 

 

This year, Hawley said, he was focused on the left's "efforts to unmake history." But after the standard conservative reference to 1776 and the contention that "the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God," Hawley went a step further, saying that notion "comes from the Bible" and that, in fact, America's founding had only been possible because of the Bible. 

"We are a revolutionary nation precisely because we are the heirs of the revolution of the Bible," Hawley said, in a clear response to Hazony's challenge that was echoed by other speakers throughout the day. "This was a revolution that began with the founding of the nation of Israel at Sinai and continued with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth in the days of ancient Rome." 

"Without the Bible, there is no modernity. Without the Bible, there is no America," Hawley claimed. "And now our biblical inheritance is again at the center of our politics. It is the question of the age." The "woke left's" campaign to "remake" the country, he continued — from the "1619 Project" to trans rights — was actually targeting "the inheritance of the Bible." 

"What they particularly dislike about America is our dependence on biblical teaching and tradition," Hawley said. "What they particularly dislike about our culture is the Bible. And now they want to break that influence for good."

 

If the tone of that speech seems unusual for a U.S. senator, it fit in at NatCon, which included other talks with titles like "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Christian Nationalism," "How Christian Conservatives Beat the UN and How You Can, Too," "A Christian Case for an 'America First' Government," and four separate panels considering the respective roles of both the Protestant and Catholic versions of faith within the movement. On Tuesday morning, Daily Wire media host Michael Knowles delivered a plenary address making the case that "the traditional definition of the United States" is inarguably "Christian nationalism." 

Hawley went on to speak at length about scripture, invoking biblical stories of Abraham and Jesus, and told a story about early Christians in the Roman empire who drove an axe into the head of a statue of a "pagan" god, supposedly leading to "thousands of rats…surging out of the rotten insides." That, he continued, was akin to NatCon's political enemies today.

"The woke left, they seem powerful, and maybe they are," Hawley concluded. "Opposing them might cost us much, but the truth is worth any cost." Invoking the biblical through-line that, "though the God of the universe could have accomplished his purposes entirely on his own, he chose instead to call us to do his work with him," Hawley exhorted the audience to "count the cost and take our stand, and we will turn the tide." 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

These people are fucking wack jobs. Keep your delusions to yourself. Christian Nationalism will be the death of this country, it sure as hell wont be Islamic extremism. 

 

“Without the Bible, there is no America”: Josh Hawley goes full Christian nationalist at NatCon | Salon.com

 

Republican politics may be about to get a lot more churchy than they already are. On Monday, the second day of the National Conservatism conference here, conference organizer Yoram Hazony, chair of the Edmund Burke Foundation, called on conservatives, repeatedly, to "repent." This chastisement was focused in large part on what Hazony — also the author of "The Virtue of Nationalism" and the recent "Conservatism: A Rediscovery" — considers excessive squeamishness on the political right to discuss what he sees as the Christian roots of the United States. 

This might come as a surprise to many Americans who have watched the increasingly overt and forceful alliance between the Republican far right and Christian nationalism. But Hazony envisions something on a broader societal level: the restoration of Christianity as the "public culture" of America, meaning that Christian values and observances are assumed to reflect the will of the majority, and while non-Christians should not face active discrimination they also should not expect to see their values reflected in the public square. Hazony himself is Jewish, but has argued for the past several years that only such a restoration of public Christianity — through things like a return to Bible instruction in public schools — can stave off the threat of "woke neo-Marxism." Toward that end, he argued, Republicans need to be even more explicit than they already are.

 

"When politicians come and stand on this stage," he asked, "do they mention the Bible? No, never." He continued, seeming to directly reference a quote from the speech that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis had delivered on the opening night of the conference: "Do they mention God? Yes, yes they do. They'll always say the same thing: 'Well, our rights come from God, not government.' OK,  fair enough. Can you tell me, when did God give you those rights?" There was an answer to that question, he continued: "We got these rights from God in the Bible." 

An hour later, when Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley took to the stage, he eagerly obliged, delivering a speech that might as well have been a sermon. 

In 2021, when Hawley last spoke at NatCon, he drew nationwide headlines for his declaration that "the Left" sought to "unmake manhood" and create "a world beyond men," and widespread mockery for his contention that feminist critiques of masculinity had led to a generation of young men addicted to video games and pornography. 

 

This year, Hawley said, he was focused on the left's "efforts to unmake history." But after the standard conservative reference to 1776 and the contention that "the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God," Hawley went a step further, saying that notion "comes from the Bible" and that, in fact, America's founding had only been possible because of the Bible. 

"We are a revolutionary nation precisely because we are the heirs of the revolution of the Bible," Hawley said, in a clear response to Hazony's challenge that was echoed by other speakers throughout the day. "This was a revolution that began with the founding of the nation of Israel at Sinai and continued with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth in the days of ancient Rome." 

"Without the Bible, there is no modernity. Without the Bible, there is no America," Hawley claimed. "And now our biblical inheritance is again at the center of our politics. It is the question of the age." The "woke left's" campaign to "remake" the country, he continued — from the "1619 Project" to trans rights — was actually targeting "the inheritance of the Bible." 

"What they particularly dislike about America is our dependence on biblical teaching and tradition," Hawley said. "What they particularly dislike about our culture is the Bible. And now they want to break that influence for good."

 

If the tone of that speech seems unusual for a U.S. senator, it fit in at NatCon, which included other talks with titles like "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Christian Nationalism," "How Christian Conservatives Beat the UN and How You Can, Too," "A Christian Case for an 'America First' Government," and four separate panels considering the respective roles of both the Protestant and Catholic versions of faith within the movement. On Tuesday morning, Daily Wire media host Michael Knowles delivered a plenary address making the case that "the traditional definition of the United States" is inarguably "Christian nationalism." 

Hawley went on to speak at length about scripture, invoking biblical stories of Abraham and Jesus, and told a story about early Christians in the Roman empire who drove an axe into the head of a statue of a "pagan" god, supposedly leading to "thousands of rats…surging out of the rotten insides." That, he continued, was akin to NatCon's political enemies today.

"The woke left, they seem powerful, and maybe they are," Hawley concluded. "Opposing them might cost us much, but the truth is worth any cost." Invoking the biblical through-line that, "though the God of the universe could have accomplished his purposes entirely on his own, he chose instead to call us to do his work with him," Hawley exhorted the audience to "count the cost and take our stand, and we will turn the tide." 

 

 

 

 

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Republicans in 2008-2016: Stop the advance of Sharia Law and Islamic Doctrine in America.

Republicans 2017 - Present: The US should be Governed by Christian Doctrine

Sure, makes sense....

 

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On 9/14/2022 at 9:16 AM, HipKat said:

Nope, no Christian Sharia law here!

meanwhile…

 

Hip, I don't claim to be an expert on the Bible however if you read the book of Revelation and compare it to what's going on in society right now, it will give you pause. This thread will be full of Bigots that condemn millions of Christians sight unseen and call them names like children however when the left marches by the millions to fight for the right to kill innocent children, fight for sexual deviancy, burn cities and murder innocent people and then create cities that resemble hell where people die daily by the hands of thugs etc. The left has always hated religion, yet they bow down to governments and believe everything the leftist "news" shovels them. Just look at how the leftist population acted during Covid, whatever the government advised, they did and violently attacked anybody who refused to get on board. Later it turned out that they were wrong about plenty and actually caused a lot of damage to people.

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6 minutes ago, Very Wide Right said:

Hip, I don't claim to be an expert on the Bible however if you read the book of Revelation and compare it to what's going on in society right now, it will give you pause. This thread will be full of Bigots that condemn millions of Christians sight unseen and call them names like children however when the left marches by the millions to fight for the right to kill innocent children, fight for sexual deviancy, burn cities and murder innocent people and then create cities that resemble hell where people die daily by the hands of thugs etc. The left has always hated religion, yet they bow down to governments and believe everything the leftist "news" shovels them. Just look at how the leftist population acted during Covid, whatever the government advised, they did and violently attacked anybody who refused to get on board. Later it turned out that they were wrong about plenty and actually caused a lot of damage to people.

The left has not always hated religion. There are plenty of people on the left at my church. I'm not an expert on the Bible, either but I DO know it;'s full of hypocrisy and inconsistencies and doesn't line up with recorded history in most cases, not to mention was assembled specifically to appease the people of the times that were following Pagan religions

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The left has not always hated religion. There are plenty of people on the left at my church. I'm not an expert on the Bible, either but I DO know it;'s full of hypocrisy and inconsistencies and doesn't line up with recorded history in most cases, not to mention was assembled specifically to appease the people of the times that were following Pagan religions

I'll take your word for it but it's strange that people who root for abortion would pray to Christ. The left has a faction trying to normalize pedophilia currently. I have to believe these people don't know what they are actually voting for. Totally ignorant.

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39 minutes ago, Very Wide Right said:

Yep, and you would have proudly marched in lock step for the government then as well. Hitler loved people like you.

That from a guy who marches in lockstep with Trump and the extremists in the Republican party.

Too fking funny.

 

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On 9/14/2022 at 8:29 AM, f8ta1ity54 said:

These people are fucking wack jobs. Keep your delusions to yourself. Christian Nationalism will be the death of this country, it sure as hell wont be Islamic extremism. 

 

“Without the Bible, there is no America”: Josh Hawley goes full Christian nationalist at NatCon | Salon.com

 

Republican politics may be about to get a lot more churchy than they already are. On Monday, the second day of the National Conservatism conference here, conference organizer Yoram Hazony, chair of the Edmund Burke Foundation, called on conservatives, repeatedly, to "repent." This chastisement was focused in large part on what Hazony — also the author of "The Virtue of Nationalism" and the recent "Conservatism: A Rediscovery" — considers excessive squeamishness on the political right to discuss what he sees as the Christian roots of the United States. 

This might come as a surprise to many Americans who have watched the increasingly overt and forceful alliance between the Republican far right and Christian nationalism. But Hazony envisions something on a broader societal level: the restoration of Christianity as the "public culture" of America, meaning that Christian values and observances are assumed to reflect the will of the majority, and while non-Christians should not face active discrimination they also should not expect to see their values reflected in the public square. Hazony himself is Jewish, but has argued for the past several years that only such a restoration of public Christianity — through things like a return to Bible instruction in public schools — can stave off the threat of "woke neo-Marxism." Toward that end, he argued, Republicans need to be even more explicit than they already are.

 

"When politicians come and stand on this stage," he asked, "do they mention the Bible? No, never." He continued, seeming to directly reference a quote from the speech that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis had delivered on the opening night of the conference: "Do they mention God? Yes, yes they do. They'll always say the same thing: 'Well, our rights come from God, not government.' OK,  fair enough. Can you tell me, when did God give you those rights?" There was an answer to that question, he continued: "We got these rights from God in the Bible." 

An hour later, when Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley took to the stage, he eagerly obliged, delivering a speech that might as well have been a sermon. 

In 2021, when Hawley last spoke at NatCon, he drew nationwide headlines for his declaration that "the Left" sought to "unmake manhood" and create "a world beyond men," and widespread mockery for his contention that feminist critiques of masculinity had led to a generation of young men addicted to video games and pornography. 

 

This year, Hawley said, he was focused on the left's "efforts to unmake history." But after the standard conservative reference to 1776 and the contention that "the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God," Hawley went a step further, saying that notion "comes from the Bible" and that, in fact, America's founding had only been possible because of the Bible. 

"We are a revolutionary nation precisely because we are the heirs of the revolution of the Bible," Hawley said, in a clear response to Hazony's challenge that was echoed by other speakers throughout the day. "This was a revolution that began with the founding of the nation of Israel at Sinai and continued with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth in the days of ancient Rome." 

"Without the Bible, there is no modernity. Without the Bible, there is no America," Hawley claimed. "And now our biblical inheritance is again at the center of our politics. It is the question of the age." The "woke left's" campaign to "remake" the country, he continued — from the "1619 Project" to trans rights — was actually targeting "the inheritance of the Bible." 

"What they particularly dislike about America is our dependence on biblical teaching and tradition," Hawley said. "What they particularly dislike about our culture is the Bible. And now they want to break that influence for good."

 

If the tone of that speech seems unusual for a U.S. senator, it fit in at NatCon, which included other talks with titles like "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Christian Nationalism," "How Christian Conservatives Beat the UN and How You Can, Too," "A Christian Case for an 'America First' Government," and four separate panels considering the respective roles of both the Protestant and Catholic versions of faith within the movement. On Tuesday morning, Daily Wire media host Michael Knowles delivered a plenary address making the case that "the traditional definition of the United States" is inarguably "Christian nationalism." 

Hawley went on to speak at length about scripture, invoking biblical stories of Abraham and Jesus, and told a story about early Christians in the Roman empire who drove an axe into the head of a statue of a "pagan" god, supposedly leading to "thousands of rats…surging out of the rotten insides." That, he continued, was akin to NatCon's political enemies today.

"The woke left, they seem powerful, and maybe they are," Hawley concluded. "Opposing them might cost us much, but the truth is worth any cost." Invoking the biblical through-line that, "though the God of the universe could have accomplished his purposes entirely on his own, he chose instead to call us to do his work with him," Hawley exhorted the audience to "count the cost and take our stand, and we will turn the tide." 

 

 

 

 

With religion we hade slavery. Enough said.

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On 9/16/2022 at 11:41 AM, micknaboz said:

Congratulations, Hitler was also a  white,Christian, Nationalist.

1. He may have had North African and Jewish ancestry.  Its still up for debate.  Before we go any further, this is not a justification for the Holocaust.  In fact it would make his actions perhaps even more terrible.  What is so interesting about most racists is that be they American or European they are almost never the aryan ubermensch they think they are.  The DNA does not lie.

Hitler Jewish? DNA Tests Show Dictator May Have 'Had Jewish And African Roots' | HuffPost The World Post

2. He was most certainly not a Christian.  Oh sure, there is probably a Catholic baptismal certificate out there but Hitler hated Christianity as he saw it as too weak and too rooted in Judaism.  He wanted to eventually do away with Catholicism and most of the protestant churches that would not accept the Reichskirche, a religious movement sort of like Greg Locke but even more unhinged and crazy (much like evil, there is sadly no cap on how crazy one can get) as it wanted to blend nazism, and German paganism with a bastardized Christianity.  Oh, and for those on the Christian right, he wasn't an Atheist Either.  No Hitler was a fucking Pagan.  Not the good sort of Pagan either, I am talking about a fucking Germanic/Nordic Pagan.  

3. He was a nationalist, but only of a sort.  He was Austrian and well Germans view Austrians as Hillbillies.  Its why say Arnold Schwarzenegger does not dub his voice into German.  He sounds like a hick in his native tongue.  Same for Hitler.  I mean he was a nationalist, but not really a German one.  

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4 hours ago, TonyasTaters said:

With religion we hade slavery. Enough said.

Religion also helped destroy it and religion was a great catalyst for both the abolitionist and civil rights movements.  Nat Turner, John Brown, Douglass, Truth, Tubman, and most abolitionists and those involved in the Underground railroad and most of those in the English abolitionist movement were devout Christian.  Many in the NAACP, who undid segregation were Christian as well.  Its not nearly as clear cut as you'd like to say.

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Oh and don't hate me too much, Josh Hawley is a fucking goob and to an extent the embodiment of most of what is wrong with this state, and I look forward to voting his ass out in 2024.  Unfortunately, because of how Missouri is districted, my vote won't amount to much because Missouri is two states really, Kansas City and St. Louis Metropolitan areas and Boone County that mostly always go Democrat, and fucking redneck rural Missouri with lots of closeted Klansmen who always go Republican.    

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On 9/14/2022 at 7:20 PM, micknaboz said:

Jesus, that nut job sounds just like all the right wing nut jobs who post here. Fk that sht!   Fk religion. 

Nobody would expect you understand junior. Judging from your posts the white trash that raised you had no use for organized religion or anything decent.

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5 hours ago, Herodotus said:

Oh and don't hate me too much, Josh Hawley is a fucking goob and to an extent the embodiment of most of what is wrong with this state, and I look forward to voting his ass out in 2024.  Unfortunately, because of how Missouri is districted, my vote won't amount to much because Missouri is two states really, Kansas City and St. Louis Metropolitan areas and Boone County that mostly always go Democrat, and fucking redneck rural Missouri with lots of closeted Klansmen who always go Republican.    

Thats pretty deep coming from a bigot that lives in a shack with a patch of dusty grounds you called a garden, yeah we all saw the pictures. Also, when did the democrat KKK switch to rural Missouri. Klansman like Robert Byrd (Hillary and Bidens mentor) were democrats until they died. By the way, West Virginia STILL has Corridor "H" of the Appalachian Highway named after Klansman democrat Robert Byrd. I wonder if democrat Klansman Byrd voted Republican? 

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10 hours ago, Very Wide Right said:

Nobody would expect you understand junior. Judging from your posts the white trash that raised you had no use for organized religion or anything decent.

Your ignorance never fails to amaze. I pray for you. 

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10 hours ago, Very Wide Right said:

Nobody would expect you understand junior. Judging from your posts the white trash that raised you had no use for organized religion or anything decent.

Organised religion is more attuned to Satan than Jesus

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Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”
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10 hours ago, Very Wide Right said:

Thats pretty deep coming from a bigot that lives in a shack with a patch of dusty grounds you called a garden, yeah we all saw the pictures. Also, when did the democrat KKK switch to rural Missouri. Klansman like Robert Byrd (Hillary and Bidens mentor) were democrats until they died. By the way, West Virginia STILL has Corridor "H" of the Appalachian Highway named after Klansman democrat Robert Byrd. I wonder if democrat Klansman Byrd voted Republican? 

Quit living in the past, it's way past time for you to evolve.

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Organised religion is more attuned to Satan than Jesus

I personally wouldn't judge all religions so harshly, growing up Catholic I saw a lot of the good they also did a lot of charitable things.

That's not to say they are without fault, Christ their covering up of all the child molesting by the priests was sickening and enough to have kept me from ever again be part of their organization.  I also think it's a large part of why so many young people have simply walked away from religion or even refused to ever participate.  But I decided even as a young child I didn't need a church or organized religion , I could embrace the teachings of Jesus myself. And I have and do.

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22 hours ago, Very Wide Right said:

I'll take your word for it but it's strange that people who root for abortion would pray to Christ. The left has a faction trying to normalize pedophilia currently. I have to believe these people don't know what they are actually voting for. Totally ignorant.

GFY with your "normalize pedophilia' accusation and lies. I always thought that the accusers are the ones perpetrating the acts they accuse others of.  It's more often than not turned out to be true. That being said I most certainly wouldn't want you baby sitting for me  Uncle Ernie.

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