Do you believe in an afterlife?

[thinwhiteduke]

16 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

It's been enlightening though. 

I wonder how many people have weird un-true views of Christianity like f& does. How much of the world doesnt like Christians because they actually think we believe getting into heaven is by being a good person? Im starting to realize that they believe things about us that are just so wrong and that may be influencing their views.

Lolololol you're a Christian? Lololololol 

Lying , hypocritical, jerk lololololol.

You embody dishonesty and ignorance.

[LiterateStylish]

Just now, thinwhiteduke said:

Lolololol you're a Christian? Lololololol 

Lying , hypocritical, jerk lololololol.

You embody dishonesty and ignorance.

Proud Christian and believe in Jesus Christ. You can be too, if youd like.

[thinwhiteduke]

40 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Proud Christian and believe in Jesus Christ. You can be too, if youd like.

ie you completely avoid what I said.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

You should be on your knees asking my forgiveness . You lying sack of ignorance

[thinwhiteduke]

Just now, thinwhiteduke said:

ie you completely avoid what I said.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

You should be on your knees asking my forgiveness . You lying sack of ignorance

Proud Christian is a oxymoronic term

[Toofast80]

1 hour ago, LiterateStylish said:

It's been enlightening though. 

I wonder how many people have weird un-true views of Christianity like f& does. How much of the world doesnt like Christians because they actually think we believe getting into heaven is by being a good person? Im starting to realize that they believe things about us that are just so wrong and that may be influencing their views.

It’s human nature to make assumptions about something that cannot be answered. 

[thinwhiteduke]

2 minutes ago, Toofast80 said:

It’s human nature to make assumptions about something that cannot be answered. 

Human nature to do exactly what you're told from birth.

People are simply born into believing things.

Everyone else around me believes etc etc

[LiterateStylish]

7 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said:

ie you completely avoid what I said.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

You should be on your knees asking my forgiveness . You lying sack of ignorance

Are you upset that you didn’t accept your jersey?

[thinwhiteduke]

1 minute ago, LiterateStylish said:

Are you upset that you didn’t accept your jersey?

Run in circles with your excuses, you dumb fuck hypocritical liar.

Ohhhh praise Jesusssss.

YouZ is saved. 

 

[shiva2999]

1 hour ago, LiterateStylish said:

I've asked myself that question what seems like a million times.

I don't know the answer, because I'm not smart enough to know whether the Bible was being figurative or literal when talking about eternal suffering.

Jesus seemed to be pretty complementary about the virtue of the Roman centurian.

He didn't say anything about how it's too bad he's gonna burn in hell for all eternity.

[HipKat]

9 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

I’ve never understood why people get so upset about trivial things like prayer in politics, or “In God We Trust” on money.

If you don’t believe in God, why does it bother people so much to see that others do in a public setting?

Is it because it was test 30 seconds of your time that could be spent listening to politicians blather on? Do your hands burn when you touch money with “In God We Trust” on it? I don’t get it.

If there is a god I don’t believe in - say, the flying spaghetti monster, and people want to pray before something to that spaghetti monster, i’ll laugh and think it’s ridiculous. But i’m surely not going to go on crusades to get them to stop, or attend school board meetings so they feel my uproar over it.

 

It’s because we live in a world of all or nothing. My way or no way. It’s no different with politics. There’s no give or take care or compromise anymore. If I don’t believe in God then you’re not allowed to.

[thinwhiteduke]

6 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

I've asked myself that question what seems like a million times.

I don't know the answer, because I'm not smart enough to know whether the Bible was being figurative or literal when talking about eternal suffering.

So you believe in something you can't even trust to tell you the truth.

Dishonesty and deception..the new love language

[f8ta1ity54]

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

Thanks.

It wasn't better science, it was "wrong" science and what we think now is more in the direction of "right" science (we still dont know if its actually right).

You are just making the "science is wrong-sometimes!" argument by Mac from its always sunny in Philadelphia.

 

 

 

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

It means that there is a very high probability that they are wrong in some capacity. Whether that is from how the brain reacts to the chemicals, or how consciousness plays a role in brain activity, or any other reason on the myriad of things.

So the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim.

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

It means that we should still keep an open mind because we dont know what we dont know and pretending to know it all when we dont is just ... well, to quote you - dumb.

No one said have a closed mind, I said there is no credible evidence to prove NDEs are super natural. Could there be new evidence in the future? sure, but until then, science has a very good understanding of what NDEs are. 

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

But you just said Christians will have different NDE's than Hindu's etc.

Not every NDE is the same. that was the point, they are similar but not the same.

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

I realize now that you didnt fully read my post because I predicted you saying this (and even wrote it for you) and gave an answer to it already.

And non-Christians dont do this?

Sure, everyone does it to some extent. But to be a christian, you MUST suspend critical thought to believe it. its a requirement. Christian brains are primed to suspend reality when they don't like it.

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

Definitely not.

You have an odd perception of Christianity. You should probably learn the religion youre debating.

Thats right, I forgot be an asshole all your life and as long as you accept jesus as your savior on your death bed you have a one way ticket to heaven! How convenient! 

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

No, the Bible does not say that good deeds (or works) send people to heaven. I have no idea where you got that from.

Mark 10:18 “....No one is good—except God alone.

and

Ephesians 2:8-9 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast”

No one goes to heaven because of good works. The Bible is extremely clear on this. 

Titus 3:5 "He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,"

I reduced a couple of the verses because theyre long but youre welcome to look up the full verse.

I dont care about bible bullshit. there are so many contradictions its laughable.

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

Thats not what Christians believe. Christians believe it is the word of God.

Because cultists from 2000 years ago told them so. I know. its dumb.

16 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

If i'm wrong about your character, the most I lose is $10k.

If you're wrong about God, the most you lose is an eternity of suffering.

Big difference, if you ask me.

You are missing the point. Why wont you lend me money based on faith alone? 

[f8ta1ity54]

12 hours ago, HipKat said:

It’s because we live in a world of all or nothing. My way or no way. It’s no different with politics. There’s no give or take care or compromise anymore. If I don’t believe in God then you’re not allowed to.

So you would be ok with Allah being on all your money, government buildings, etc? Maybe you wont care, but i can tell you right now 10s of millions of people would lose their fucking minds. Just look at how butt hurt they are when someone takes down a statue of a traitorous confederate leader.

[f8ta1ity54]

17 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

Correct.

That's the point I was making to f& but im not sure he understood. 

The science we have now will be laughed at in 100 years (actually, probably more like 20 years).

 

LOL but that still doesn't give credence to NDEs being supernatural. 

in 100 years when scientists know even more about NDEs, people like you will still be making the same argument. 

[Very Wide Right]

Jesus loves you F8- He says, get a fucking job.

[SpikedLemonade]

18 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

Proud Christian and believe in Jesus Christ. You can be too, if youd like.

Jesuit here reporting in.

Who will NOT make it into Heaven are racists.

GOD will not take lightly to criticism of his work that he made intentionally in different colours.

Time for a good OLD Testament smiting on racist fat ass.

 

[Very Wide Right]

4 minutes ago, SpikedLemonade said:

Jesuit here reporting in.

Who will NOT make it into Heaven are racists.

GOD will not take lightly to criticism of his work that he made intentionally in different colours.

Time for a good OLD Testament smiting on racist fat ass.

 

Well I guess you won't be in heaven Spike you racist, after spewing all of that racist bile against KIM PEGULA while she was in ICU. GOD doesn't like those who threaten to kill people and chop their bodies into little pieces then later planning to ship those little pieces of body to their mother either. You're doomed to hell Spike.

[LiterateStylish]

4 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

You are just making the "science is wrong-sometimes!" argument

Science, by its very core and definition, is ALWAYS wrong.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/if-you-say-science-is-right-youre-wrong/

4 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

So the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim.

Opposite way around.

You claiming that science has the answers is where the burden of proof lies. Because even the greatest minds of our times would admit that science does not know what it doesnt know.

4 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

No one said have a closed mind

Your mind appears to be tightly sealed.

4 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

 science has a very good understanding of what NDEs are. 

In the same way that science had a good grasp that the earth was flat?

No they don't. 

Not even remotely close.

I explain more below.

4 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

 science has a very good understanding of what NDEs are. 

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Now, here is where it gets even funnier (for you).

Since that original study in 2010 saying C02 was the reason for NDE's, they have ALREADY CHANGED THEIR MIND! It's only been 12 years and they're already saying "ehhh, we may have been wrong on that."

One new study say its a lack of oxygen causing parts of the brain to die and fire off. Then there is another study that says its a release of DMT in the brain. 

As of 2018, Ken Drinkwater, Senior Lecturer and Researcher in Cognitive and Parapsychology, Manchester Metropolitan University, ends his article by saying: "Currently, there is no definitive explanation for why near-death experiences happen. But ongoing research still strives to understand this enigmatic phenomenon."

No. Definitive. Explanation.

4 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Sure, everyone does it to some extent. But to be a christian, you MUST suspend critical thought to believe it. its a requirement. Christian brains are primed to suspend reality when they don't like it.

What critical thought do we need to suspend?

4 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Thats right, I forgot be an asshole all your life and as long as you accept jesus as your savior on your death bed you have a one way ticket to heaven! How convenient! 

Except you never know when your death bed will be. Will you get hit by a truck? Get hit by lightning? Have a cardiac arrest? There are so many ways that give a near instant death that gives no time to ask for forgiveness.

4 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

I dont care about bible bullshit. there are so many contradictions its laughable.

That's fine. Its just probably best not to be arguing about it if you dont know what it actually says.

It would be like me arguing with a forum of Curling fans and telling them the rules of their sport when I have  no idea what they are. Its just... to quote you... dumb!

 

 

[f8ta1ity54]

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Science, by its very core and definition, is ALWAYS wrong.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/if-you-say-science-is-right-youre-wrong/

science is a way of thinking. Our understanding can change when new information when it is discovered. You are trying to weasel this as an argument that because science is always changing, that the current science is wrong. Which it's not until proven otherwise. It may be, but you have no evidence to prove anything, just presuppositions. 

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Opposite way around.

You claiming that science has the answers is where the burden of proof lies. Because even the greatest minds of our times would admit that science does not know what it doesnt know.

No, I'm claiming science has an understanding of NDEs but that does not mean they have all the answers. Scientists understand that there are biological processes in the brain that are the likely cause of NDEs. You are saying that because science doesnt know for sure it leaves the possiblity that there is a metaphysical explanation for NDEs. WELP, PROVE IT. You are at odds with the established position that NDEs are biological functions. The burden of prove is on you.

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Your mind appears to be tightly sealed.

nope. I'm open to anything. I need evidence. I dont take anything on faith, because you can take anything on faith. 

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

In the same way that science had a good grasp that the earth was flat?

so support your claim with evidence that NDEs are a supernatural occurrence.

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

No they don't. 

Not even remotely close.

I explain more below.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Scientists have no reason to believe that NDEs are not a biological process until YOU provide that evidence and.

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Now, here is where it gets even funnier (for you).

Since that original study in 2010 saying C02 was the reason for NDE's, they have ALREADY CHANGED THEIR MIND! It's only been 12 years and they're already saying "ehhh, we may have been wrong on that."

One new study say its a lack of oxygen causing parts of the brain to die and fire off. Then there is another study that says its a release of DMT in the brain. 

As of 2018, Ken Drinkwater, Senior Lecturer and Researcher in Cognitive and Parapsychology, Manchester Metropolitan University, ends his article by saying: "Currently, there is no definitive explanation for why near-death experiences happen. But ongoing research still strives to understand this enigmatic phenomenon."

No. Definitive. Explanation.

Can they point to exactly which of many variables in the brain are causing NDEs? No not entirely. But they have no evidence of metaphysics either. 

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

What critical thought do we need to suspend?

believing in things without evidence, and then still believing in things even when presented new contradictory evidence.

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Except you never know when your death bed will be. Will you get hit by a truck? Get hit by lightning? Have a cardiac arrest? There are so many ways that give a near instant death that gives no time to ask for forgiveness.

So what? I could kill someone today and then accept Jesus as my savior 5 seconds later. Boom, one way ticket to heaven.

13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

That's fine. Its just probably best not to be arguing about it if you dont know what it actually says.

It would be like me arguing with a forum of Curling fans and telling them the rules of their sport when I have  no idea what they are. Its just... to quote you... dumb!

It doesn't matter. its all nonsense that no one should take literally.

[Woody]

[LiterateStylish]

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

science is a way of thinking.

Its a pursuit of knowledge.

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Our understanding can change when new information when it is discovered.

That makes what you previously thought to be true, wrong. 

It means you were always wrong before and are likely even wrong now.

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

You are trying to weasel this as an argument that because science is always changing, that the current science is wrong.

It without a doubt is. The smartest scientists know this and say it themselves.

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Which it's not until proven otherwise.

That makes no sense.

Something that hasn't been proven at all is right until someone proves it wrong?

Science doesnt say "this is right". It says "this is what we think might be right but were not sure".

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

No, I'm claiming science has an understanding of NDEs but that does not mean they have all the answers.

They don't have an understanding.

There are currently FOUR completely different theories on what happens.

You cant have an understanding of something when there is 4 possible answers and no one knows which one is correct, or if ANY of them are correct.

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Scientists understand that there are biological processes in the brain that are the likely cause of NDEs.

That's 1 theory.

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

You are at odds with the established position that NDEs are biological functions. The burden of prove is on you.

No, the established position is: "there is no definitive explanation for why near-death experiences happen. "

That's the established position. They don't know. 

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Scientists have no reason to believe that NDEs are not a biological process until YOU provide that evidence and.

Wrong again.

From the 2015 study on NDE's...

"the neuroscience of how the brain participates in near-death experiences does not demean spiritual interpretation"

37 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

It doesn't matter. its all nonsense that no one should take literally.

That sure sounds like an open mind.

Quote

believing in things without evidence, and then still believing in things even when presented new contradictory evidence.

Faith plays part of it but Christianity does not need to be solely faith. There is plenty of evidence.

1) The majority of historians agree that Jesus existed. Historians actually call/mock the people who refute historical Jesus as "mythicists". 

2) With Jesus actually existing, we can now start to look at the text from that time. Not just from his disciples, but from others as well, who talk about the miracles that Jesus did. The early Jewish Rabbi's called him a "sorcerer", likely because they couldn't figure out how he was doing his miracles.

3) He then created the largest religion in the history of mankind. One man. 

4) The prophecies that we are starting to see come true.

[Very Wide Right]

22 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

Proud Christian and believe in Jesus Christ. You can be too, if youd like.

That's the easy part. Now Lit you have to actually live out your Christian faith. You are what's referred to as a hypocrite Christian, you knowingly allow your site to be a conduit for an individual threatening to murder people and then chop up their bodies to send pieces to their loved ones. You have been deceitful and a known liar around here for years. Talk is cheap and showing up on Sunday is easy. I'm not saying that you can't change in the future but right now you are simply a pharisee.

[thinwhiteduke]

1 hour ago, LiterateStylish said:

Faith plays part of it but Christianity does not need to be solely faith. There is plenty of evidence.

1) The majority of historians agree that Jesus existed. Historians actually call/mock the people who refute historical Jesus as "mythicists". 

No, there's no evidence that Jesus was a god.

There's no evidence of a Ark, or whale  or wife turned to salt ,or anything Lot did etc.

Faith plays the only part in all of it.

Majority of historians? Who? Where? How many?

[SpikedLemonade]

I got 

4 hours ago, SpikedLemonade said:

Jesuit here reporting in.

Who will NOT make it into Heaven are racists.

GOD will not take lightly to criticism of his work that he made intentionally in different colours.

Time for a good OLD Testament smiting on racist fat ass.

 

How much of a KUNT do you have to be downvote this post?

What a waste of air that lying piece of crap is.

Hey, we are still waiting for you to back up your lies with some details or photos.

[f8ta1ity54]

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Its a pursuit of knowledge.

 

sci·ence

[ˈsīəns]

 

NOUN

1. the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment:

 

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

That makes what you previously thought to be true, wrong. 

It means you were always wrong before and are likely even wrong now.

OK, but what new evidence have you provided with your claim that NDEs are not biological function of the brain but some sort of metaphysical event? how did you prove your hypothesis to be correct?

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

It without a doubt is. The smartest scientists know this and say it themselves.

OK, so where is this evidence that is changing the mind's of scientists?

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

That makes no sense.

semantics. scientists know that NDEs are a biological process. Can they fully eliminate a metaphysical reason for it with 100% accuracy? NO. but they are still 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure.

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Something that hasn't been proven at all is right until someone proves it wrong?

Science doesnt say "this is right". It says "this is what we think might be right but were not sure".

OK, so where is your new evidence? otherwise you are just using the fact that we can never be 100% certain on anything as justification for why you believe something with 0% evidence.

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

They don't have an understanding.

yes they do.

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

There are currently FOUR completely different theories on what happens.

You cant have an understanding of something when there is 4 possible answers and no one knows which one is correct, or if ANY of them are correct.

That's 1 theory.

No, the established position is: "there is no definitive explanation for why near-death experiences happen. "

How many are supported by science?

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

That's the established position. They don't know. 

Wrong again.

From the 2015 study on NDE's...

"the neuroscience of how the brain participates in near-death experiences does not demean spiritual interpretation"

Nor does it prove spiritual interpretation. For one to believe that there is a spiritual interpretation, there should be evidence to support the claim. something that can be measured and repeated.

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

That sure sounds like an open mind.

Yup. nothing has changed my mind yet, but still open. So until there is evidence my position is that it is nonsense

47 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Faith plays part of it but Christianity does not need to be solely faith. There is plenty of evidence.

1) The majority of historians agree that Jesus existed. Historians actually call/mock the people who refute historical Jesus as "mythicists". 

2) With Jesus actually existing, we can now start to look at the text from that time. Not just from his disciples, but from others as well, who talk about the miracles that Jesus did. The early Jewish Rabbi's called him a "sorcerer", likely because they couldn't figure out how he was doing his miracles.

3) He then created the largest religion in the history of mankind. One man. 

4) The prophecies that we are starting to see come true.

even of Jesus existed, the bible is not proof of his divinity. It is merely a claim that Jesus was devine. I'm gunna need evidence. If you write enough things down about the future, some of them are bound to be "true".