#clotshot Vaccines offer little protection against long Covid, study finds (NBC)

[SackMan518]

Oh no! Welcome to 2 years ago... spoiler alert, they don't do jack shit for short COVID either! Unfortunately the article still touts some junk science but they're making baby steps to full admission that these things didn't really save any lives. Of course by that point they'll just say that they were working with the information that they had and "evolving science" changed their minds... it's basically like listening to the weather man. Also, zero mention of using vitamins and actually taking care of your health because everything is about magic drugs and shots now.

To top it all off the one doctor says that the best way to not get long COVID is to not get COVID at all. No shit Sherlock but you missed that they already admitted that the vaccines do not prevent transmission or becoming infected with the virus so then what do you do?

::sad trombone::

Vaccines offer little protection against long Covid, study finds (NBC)

The Covid vaccines, while holding up strong against hospitalization and death, offer little protection against long Covid, according to research published Wednesday in the journal Nature Medicine.

The findings are disappointing, if not surprising, to researchers who were once hopeful that vaccination could significantly reduce the risk of long Covid.

Compared to an unvaccinated individual, the risk of long Covid in a fully vaccinated individual was cut by only about 15 percent, the study found.

“The vaccines are miraculous at doing what they were designed to do” — that is, prevent hospitalization and death, said Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly, a clinical epidemiologist at Washington University in St. Louis and the lead author of the study. But they “offer very modest protection against long Covid,” he said.

The Covid vaccines were developed early on in the pandemic, long before doctors, scientists and patients knew of the existence of long Covid. They were never designed to protect against it, said Al-Aly, who is also chief of research at the V.A. St. Louis Health Care System. “We need to revisit them now that we know that the virus can also produce long-term consequences.”

Dr. Greg Vanichkachorn, director of the Mayo Clinic’s Covid Activity Rehabilitation Program in Rochester, Minnesota, who was not involved with the new study, said the results were not “too surprising.”

“We know that the majority of folks with long Covid have not had severe infections,” he said.

The study looked at national health care data from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and included medical records of nearly 34,000 vaccinated people who had breakthrough Covid infections and more than 113,000 who were unvaccinated when infected with Covid from January 2021 through October 2021. People were considered fully vaccinated if they had received two doses of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine or a single dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

The researchers followed up six months post-infection to see whether patients had lingering symptoms. While the protection against long Covid in general was relatively small, vaccines were more effective at preventing some of the most life-threatening long Covid symptoms: Vaccination reduced the risk of lung disorders by nearly 50 percent and blood-clotting disorders by 56 percent, compared with those who were not vaccinated. 

Al-Aly noted that a breakthrough case does not mean a person will develop long Covid — only about 10 percent of breakthrough cases will result in the condition — but with so many people infected, this still translates to a large number of people. 

The data did not show whether a person was boosted, but Al-Aly said he doesn’t expect boosting to make a big difference in terms of vaccines protecting against long Covid, nor variants like omicron.

Vanichkachorn agreed. “Unfortunately, I do not think boosting will do much to prevent long Covid with the vaccine,” he said. “We have many patients with breakthrough infections who are as vaccinated as possible. We also have not seen much of a difference between variants with long Covid symptoms.” 

This is not to say that vaccines are not an important tool in the fight against the pandemic, experts say.

Boosters, in particular, offer the most protection against severe acute Covid and reduce the risk of complications, said Dr. Jason Maley, director of the Critical Illness and COVID-19 Survivorship Program at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston.

But for long Covid, they’re not necessarily the solution. “I don’t believe vaccination is the key to eliminating long Covid,” Al-Aly said. “We really need to think about additional layers to protect us from the long-term consequences of this virus.”

New approaches to preventing long Covid
Covid cases are once again rising again in the U.S., driven now by an omicron subvariant called BA.2.12.1, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Even so, public health measures such as masking and social distancing have largely fallen away.

 

Al-Aly said he doesn’t fault people for that. 

“It isn’t pragmatic to tell people to mask for the next 10 years,” he said. But it does underscore the need to improve vaccines and treatments in a way that could offer protection against long Covid.   

“Now that we have lifted all these other public health measures, vaccines are really the only layer of protection we have,” Al-Aly said. “That places even more urgency on the question of what other prevention or treatments might be available. Can we tweak those original vaccines to also address long Covid, or do we also need intranasal vaccines or other therapies in addition?” 

Intranasal vaccines, for example, could potentially be better at preventing transmission than current vaccines, but this is an area that needs to be investigated, he said. 

Maley, who was also not involved with the study, said that mounting research suggests one of the main risk factors for long Covid is the level of virus in the body during the acute infection. This suggests early treatment with therapies including antivirals may be able to help prevent long Covid by keeping those virus levels low. 

“Right now, antivirals are approved for emergency use authorization for patients who are at high risk for severe Covid-19, usually older adults or people with compromised immune systems,” Maley said. There is also an interest, he said, in studying whether antiviral treatments could benefit long Covid patients. 

Both Al-Aly and Vanichkachorn agreed that more research is needed on long Covid. “We need continued research specifically on long Covid so specific therapies can be developed,” Vanichkachorn said.

But right now, he said, “the best way to not get long Covid is not to get Covid.”

 

[Philly'sFinest]

This is just another case of the people being played for fools, like usual

[SackMan518]

1 hour ago, Philly'sFinest said:

This is just another case of the people being played for fools, like usual

Plenty of them here, we try to educate them but they're still raging about Trump.

[Woody]

9 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

 spoiler alert, they don't do jack shit for short COVID either!

 

Maybe they'll report on that next year. 

 

[Toofast80]

“They’re proven safe and effective” though by some of the self proclaimed geniuses here! So, isn’t that as good as fact 🤣🤦‍♂️.

 

[HipKat]

1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

Plenty of them here, we try to educate them but they're still raging about Trump.

But not @daryls61

[SackMan518]

 

[Woody]

 

[Toofast80]

👍 Speed

[HipKat]

6 hours ago, Woody said:

 

Funny, when Beiber himself explained the condition that's causing it and oddly enough, it's not from the vaccine. But you MAGAtards keep making shit up. I guess if you're trying to be funny, you should quote a comedian

[Woody]

7 hours ago, HipKat said:

Funny, when Beiber himself explained the condition that's causing it and oddly enough, it's not from the vaccine. But you MAGAtards keep making shit up. I guess if you're trying to be funny, you should quote a comedian

He could have been talking about anybody. 

 

[SackMan518]

8 hours ago, HipKat said:

Funny, when Beiber himself explained the condition that's causing it and oddly enough, it's not from the vaccine.

Wow, you're on a hot streak of being totally wrong today. Ramsay Hunt syndrome is actually a side effect of the vaccine and since you doubt everything I say here's a link to the NIH portal.

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following mRNA SARS-COV-2 vaccine (January 2022)

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following mRNA SARS-COV-2 vaccine (July 2021)

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following COVID-19 vaccination (January 2022)

[Toofast80]

2 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

Wow, you're on a hot streak of being totally wrong today. Ramsay Hunt syndrome is actually a side effect of the vaccine and since you doubt everything I say here's a link to the NIH portal.

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following mRNA SARS-COV-2 vaccine (January 2022)

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following mRNA SARS-COV-2 vaccine (July 2021)

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following COVID-19 vaccination (January 2022)

It couldn’t be from the fauxine they’re “safe and effective”! It’s not as if they are modifying how a humans immune system works (sensory and reactionary) or anything 🤦‍♂️...

[HipKat]

5 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

Wow, you're on a hot streak of being totally wrong today. Ramsay Hunt syndrome is actually a side effect of the vaccine and since you doubt everything I say here's a link to the NIH portal.

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following mRNA SARS-COV-2 vaccine (January 2022)

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following mRNA SARS-COV-2 vaccine (July 2021)

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following COVID-19 vaccination (January 2022)

Nice cherry picking, but now, as usual the entire story and no, I haven't been wrong, you just keep swallow lies like you do so well. Pay attention to the part in red

 

Ramsay hunt syndrome

[ram-zee] [huhnt] [sin-drohm, -druh m] · Also known as: geniculate neuralgia

 

 

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Summary

An acute peripheral facial neuropathy that occurs as a complication of shingles. It causes hearing loss and facial paralysis.

Causes: 

It is caused by reactivation of chickenpox virus (Varicella Zoster).

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It is characterized by a shingles rash in or around the ear and paralysis of some muscles in the face.

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Diagnosis: 

Initial diagnosis is based on the hallmark symptoms. The doctor takes a medical history and asks questions about previous infection (chicken pox). Laboratory test results can confirm the condition.

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Treatments can help manage condition, no known cure

Diagnosed by medical professional

Requires lab test or imaging

Can last several weeks or months

Usually preventable by vaccine

Common for ages 60 and older

Urgent medical attention recommended

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COMMON

The symptoms include:

Facial paralysis

Blisters in and around the ear or mouth

Pain in the ear

Dry mouth and eyes

Loss of taste in part of the tongue

If the vestibulocochlear nerve is affected, it causes:

Hearing Loss

Vertigo, dizziness

Ringing in the ears

Causes

COMMON

It is caused by reactivation of varicella-zoster virus (chickenpox virus) in the bundle of facial nerve fibres called a geniculate ganglion.

The virus can exist in a dormant form for years after recovery from chickenpox and cause a shingles outbreak.

The risk factors include:

Newborns

Pregnant women

Person not affected with chickenpox or not taken chickenpox vaccination

Weakened immunity

 

[SackMan518]

3 hours ago, Toofast80 said:

It couldn’t be from the fauxine they’re “safe and effective”! It’s not as if they are modifying how a humans immune system works (sensory and reactionary) or anything 🤦‍♂️...

They're trying to cheat Mother Nature by synthetic injections that offer temporary protections at best and a weakened immune system at worst. It's like doing steroids, getting jacked, and then when you get off of them most of that muscle shrivels up except in this case your immune system is an analogy of the muscles. Safe and effective should be revised to MOSTLY safe and TEMPORARILY effective. Welcome to the subscription based immune system!

[SackMan518]

16 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Nice cherry picking, but now, as usual the entire story and no, I haven't been wrong, you just keep swallow lies like you do so well. Pay attention to the part in red

As a debater you actually suck pretty hard. Herpes is a virus that everyone has though not everyone has symptoms or manages to get it on their nether region. If you've ever had a cold sore or chicken pox then you have it for life. Recent data has found that the COVID vaccine is somehow activating the virus even if they never had the symptoms before. You know, considering that you were in the military I'm baffled how you gobble up everything the establishment tells you.

A Herpes Infection May Be Linked to the COVID Vaccine—Here's Why You Shouldn't Panic

 

While it's possible to get herpes zoster after being vaccinated against COVID-19, Dr. Adalja explains that overall risk is low—especially if you don't have an autoimmune condition.

Herpes zoster can be treated with antiviral medications (usually valaciclovir) and most people recover just fine, he says.

If you're particularly concerned about your risk of developing shingles after getting the COVID-19 vaccine, Dr. Adalja says you can talk to your doctor about receiving the herpes zoster vaccine first. Just know this: Because the herpes zoster vaccine is recommended for people who are 50 and older, it's unlikely your insurance will cover it if you're below that age.

 

[Toofast80]

10 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

They're trying to cheat Mother Nature by synthetic injections that offer temporary protections at best and a weakened immune system at worst. It's like doing steroids, getting jacked, and then when you get off of them most of that muscle shrivels up except in this case your immune system is an analogy of the muscles. Safe and effective should be revised to MOSTLY safe and TEMPORARILY effective. Welcome to the subscription based immune system!

Until that ”vaccine” removes the protections against something that was already embedded in a person, and that properly functioning immune system had controlled! Then all these mysterious, of course coincidental “side effects” keep appearing in many people. My mother (71, unvaccinated) has it now, about over it after 4-5 days. Was a bothersome head cold with a slightly elevated fever (99.4). Controlled with fluid intake (water, pedialyte) doubled C, D &Zinc intake, mucinex cold &flu w/acetaminophen, some natural sunlight and rest. Fever is normal as of the past 2 days already. WHY get a shot that the outcome from that shot is highly unknown!?

[Toofast80]

I am, by no definition an “anti-vaxxer”! They have their place, similar to antibiotics, but they are NOT the “say all end all” that they’ve been made out to be. And can be very detrimental in some cases. As every science inherently is, NOT EXACT!

[HipKat]

25 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

As a debater you actually suck pretty hard. Herpes is a virus that everyone has though not everyone has symptoms or manages to get it on their nether region. If you've ever had a cold sore or chicken pox then you have it for life. Recent data has found that the COVID vaccine is somehow activating the virus even if they never had the symptoms before. You know, considering that you were in the military I'm baffled how you gobble up everything the establishment tells you.

A Herpes Infection May Be Linked to the COVID Vaccine—Here's Why You Shouldn't Panic

 

While it's possible to get herpes zoster after being vaccinated against COVID-19, Dr. Adalja explains that overall risk is low—especially if you don't have an autoimmune condition.

Herpes zoster can be treated with antiviral medications (usually valaciclovir) and most people recover just fine, he says.

If you're particularly concerned about your risk of developing shingles after getting the COVID-19 vaccine, Dr. Adalja says you can talk to your doctor about receiving the herpes zoster vaccine first. Just know this: Because the herpes zoster vaccine is recommended for people who are 50 and older, it's unlikely your insurance will cover it if you're below that age.

 

I have no idea where the herpes/shingles rant came from and if you think I'm worried about anything from Covid shots, you sadly mistaken

[SackMan518]

31 minutes ago, HipKat said:

I have no idea where the herpes/shingles rant came from and if you think I'm worried about anything from Covid shots, you sadly mistaken

Good for you, so when is the next scheduled booster?

[Toofast80]

7 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

Good for you, so when is the next scheduled booster?

Better get all the boosters, and all the new ones they come out with! Since it’s now what that immune system will need to function, hopefully they don’t miss something, or else that IS system won’t know what the fuck to do about it😔😒.

[HipKat]

10 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

Good for you, so when is the next scheduled booster?

Next? I didn’t get the last booster. Why would I? I’m not old and I’m in great physical health. As a matter fact on the 29th I go in for my physical and I’ll be more than happy to post the results of all my blood work, on top of the fact that I’ve lost 21 pounds in the last two months. I’m not a candidate for boosters. 

[SackMan518]

3 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Next? I didn’t get the last booster. Why would I? I’m not old and I’m in great physical health. As a matter fact on the 29th I go in for my physical and I’ll be more than happy to post the results of all my blood work, on top of the fact that I’ve lost 21 pounds in the last two months. I’m not a candidate for boosters. 

So you're admitting what we all said before these shots became available. Healthy people don't need 'em!

[Greg]

[HipKat]

1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

So you're admitting what we all said before these shots became available. Healthy people don't need 'em!

I think everybody should’ve gotten the original vaccine and the second one that was the companion but after that, I’ve never said that healthy people should be getting boosters. And you and I are both proof because we both had Covid and not suffered adverse effects although, I did before the vaccine and I know you never got vaccinated but you’re a healthy person. Regardless, I know I’ve had it at least once and I think I had it again a few weeks ago because I had a mild cold and I didn’t fleetly lose my sense of taste and smell but they were definitely diminished. And I cook my own food so I know how my food tastes.

This is why I keep harping on the mortality rate. Even historically, over 97% of everybody survived Covid. Among haulers, which I was one, are a minority. I don’t have to tell you how old that percentage changed when you only factor in the elderly and people who have health issues. It’s skyrocket but healthy people, particularly those who were vaccinated with the original vaccines are practically immune from Covid, and that includes Delta virus. The second largest demographic of people who died from Covid we’re people who were never vaccinated at all.