You Won't Read it, but if you do, you will see why Russia is fighting this war. It wasn't unprovoked Aggression

[Herodotus]

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he following is The Spectator’s translation of Putin’s speech for victory day 2022.

Most respected citizens of Russia, dear veterans, comrade soldiers and sailors, sergeants and petty officers, midshipmen and ensigns, comrade officers, generals and admirals: I wish you all a happy great victory day! The defense of our homeland – when its fate hung in the balance – has always been sacred. With such feelings of genuine patriotism, Minin and Pozharsky’s People’s Militia rose up for the motherland, advanced to attack on the field of Borodin, fought the enemy on the outskirts of Moscow and Leningrad, Kyiv and Minsk, Stalingrad and Kursk, Sebastopol and Kharkov.

Just as in those days, today you are fighting for our people in the Donbas, for the security of our homeland: Russia. The 9 May 1945 has been immortalised in the global history books as a triumph for our united Soviet nation: its unifying and spiritual power, its unparalleled feats on the battlefront. Victory day is close and dear to each of us. There is not a single family in Russia whom the Great Patriotic War [the second world war] has not singed. The memory of the war will not fade. On this day, in the never-ending stream of the Immortal Regiment, are the children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren of heroes of the war. They carry photographs of their loved ones: of soldiers who were killed and remain youthful for eternity and veterans who have already passed away. We are proud of this unbroken, valiant generation of victors, that we are their heirs, and it is our duty to preserve the memory of those who destroyed Nazism, who have willed us to be vigilant, and to do everything we can to ensure that the horror of a global war is not repeated.

And therefore, regardless of any disagreements in international relations, Russia has always defended a system of equal and indivisible security. A system that is vitally necessary for the world. In December last year, we proposed to secure an agreement guaranteeing this security. Russia called on the West to engage in honest discussion to find fair compromises which accounted for each other’s interests. All of this was in vain! They didn’t want to listen to us. And this means that, in reality, they had entirely different plans and we have seen this.

Preparations for another punitive operation in the Donbas went on in the open: an invasion of lands which have historically been ours, including the Crimea. In Kyiv, they made announcements about potentially acquiring nuclear weapons, Nato began the active military assimilation of territories along our borders – which, for us, became an absolutely unacceptable threat, indeed directly at our borders.

All of this indicated that a clash with neo-Nazis and Banderites – on which the USA and its smaller companions have relied on – would be unavoidable. Let me repeat: we saw all this military infrastructure being set up. We saw hundreds of foreign advisors beginning to work, the regular deliveries of the most modern weaponry from Nato countries, the danger grew with each passing day. So Russia launched a preemptive attack against this aggression. It was necessary, timely and the only choice. The decision of a sovereign, strong, independent country.

Particularly after the collapse of the USSR, the US has talked about its exclusivity – belittling not only the rest of the world with this but also their ‘satellites’ who then have to pretend that they don’t notice this and must obediently swallow it all. But we are a different country. Russia has a different character. We will never reject love for our homeland, the truth or those traditional values, the customs of our forebearers, respect for all nations and cultures. But in the West it seems that these thousand-year-old values have been cancelled. This moral degradation has taken hold with the cynical falsification of the history of the second world war: stoking the flames of Russophobia, praising traitors, making a mockery of the memory of sacrifice, crossing out the bravery of those who achieved and endured victory.

It's obvious to us that the American veterans, who wanted to come to our parade in Moscow, were practically forbidden from doing so. But I want them to know, we are proud of your achievements, your contribution to our collective victory. We honour all soldiers of the allied armies: Americans, English, French, members of the resistance, the soldiers and partisans in China – all those who destroyed Nazism and militarism.

 

Respected comrades, today the militia in the Donbas, together with the forces of the Russian army, are fighting on their own territory. Where the enemy was struck down by the squads of Svyatoslav and Vladimir Monomach, [there were] the soldiers of Rumyantsev and Potemkin, Suvorov and Brusilov. Where the heroes of the Great Patriotic War fought to the death: Nikolai Vatutin, Sydir Kovpak, Liudmila Pavlichenko.

Now I would like to address our soldiers and militiamen in the Donbas. You are fighting for our homeland, for its future, so that no one can forget the lessons of the second world war. So there is no room in the world for Nazis. Today we bow our heads before the bright memory of all those who lost their lives in the Great Patriotic War, before the memory of sons, daughters, fathers and mothers, grandfathers, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, dear friends.

We bow our heads to the memory of the martyrs of Odessa, who burnt in the Trade Union house in May 2014, to the memory of the old men, women and children of the Donbas, the peaceful civilans who died from the merciless fire, the barbarian strikes of the neo-Nazis. We bow our heads before our comrades of war who died the deaths of the brave in the fight for Russia.

[A minute’s silence.]

Comrades, the loss of each soldier and officer is a tragedy for us.

[Putin then announces support for families who have lost soldiers in battle and pledges support to all those injured in war. Thanks medics for all they do in the field of battle.]

Those who crushed Nazism during the Great Patriotic War have given us the example of bravery for all times. And we will always measure ourselves against them. Glory to our heroic armed forces. For Russia! For victory! Hura!

 

Read: Vladimir Putin's victory day speech in full | The Spectator

[HipKat]

Right leaning (Yet rated to be factual) meadia outlet sides with Putin... What is it with the right coddling this dictator, this oppressive pos?

[Herodotus]

25 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Right leaning (Yet rated to be factual) meadia outlet sides with Putin... What is it with the right coddling this dictator, this oppressive pos?

What is your evidence for your claim? 

[foster]

48 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Right leaning (Yet rated to be factual) meadia outlet sides with Putin... What is it with the right coddling this dictator, this oppressive pos?

Since Palin, the right GOP oops like Manafort have been building up a pipeline of $$ from influential Russians and other non-Democratic leaders. Not necessarily because they believe in any similar ideology, but it’s good business to take their money and look the other way. 
 

Now that things are getting tight and there’s global scrutiny with what’s been going on, they’re trying to both sides it to try and keep out of jail or keep from falling out of a window 
 

Kushner did it in plain site with the Saudis   

[SackMan518]

This section is based:

 

All of this indicated that a clash with neo-Nazis and Banderites – on which the USA and its smaller companions have relied on – would be unavoidable. Let me repeat: we saw all this military infrastructure being set up. We saw hundreds of foreign advisors beginning to work, the regular deliveries of the most modern weaponry from Nato countries, the danger grew with each passing day. So Russia launched a preemptive attack against this aggression. It was necessary, timely and the only choice. The decision of a sovereign, strong, independent country.

Particularly after the collapse of the USSR, the US has talked about its exclusivity – belittling not only the rest of the world with this but also their ‘satellites’ who then have to pretend that they don’t notice this and must obediently swallow it all. But we are a different country. Russia has a different character. We will never reject love for our homeland, the truth or those traditional values, the customs of our forebearers, respect for all nations and cultures. But in the West it seems that these thousand-year-old values have been cancelled. This moral degradation has taken hold with the cynical falsification of the history of the second world war: stoking the flames of Russophobia, praising traitors, making a mockery of the memory of sacrifice, crossing out the bravery of those who achieved and endured victory.

It's obvious to us that the American veterans, who wanted to come to our parade in Moscow, were practically forbidden from doing so. But I want them to know, we are proud of your achievements, your contribution to our collective victory. We honour all soldiers of the allied armies: Americans, English, French, members of the resistance, the soldiers and partisans in China – all those who destroyed Nazism and militarism.

Great job Biden, the world is seeing America in a lesser light now.

 

[LiterateStylish]

So… his excuse for attacking a sovereign county is him being scared of bad guys on his borders.

Goodness gracious.

[SackMan518]

24 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

So… his excuse for attacking a sovereign county is him being scared of bad guys on his borders.

Goodness gracious.

What would we do if the Chinese put weapons up against the U.S.- Canadian border? 

[HipKat]

1 hour ago, Herodotus said:

What is your evidence for your claim? 

Which claim?

[HipKat]

34 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

What would we do if the Chinese put weapons up against the U.S.- Canadian border? 

 

Did you guys learn how to kiss Putin's ass from this guy?

 

[SpikedLemonade]

Wait....is there a possibility Canada could profit from allowing the Chinese to put weapons on our border with the US?

Could these weapons be mounted on a the roofs of new abortion clinics?

[SackMan518]

6 hours ago, HipKat said:

 

Did you guys learn how to kiss Putin's ass from this guy?

 

No, from Hunter. I'm hoping to get in on some of that sweet grift cash for zero skill and questionable intelligence! 

[HipKat]

1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

No, from Hunter. I'm hoping to get in on some of that sweet grift cash for zero skill and questionable intelligence! 

HDS!

[FanBack]

10 hours ago, foster said:

Since Palin, the right GOP oops like Manafort have been building up a pipeline of $$ from influential Russians and other non-Democratic leaders. Not necessarily because they believe in any similar ideology, but it’s good business to take their money and look the other way. 
 

Now that things are getting tight and there’s global scrutiny with what’s been going on, they’re trying to both sides it to try and keep out of jail or keep from falling out of a window 
 

Kushner did it in plain site with the Saudis   

WTF is this idiot taking about?

[LiterateStylish]

11 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

What would we do if the Chinese put weapons up against the U.S.- Canadian border? 

Not kill innocent Canadians.

Thats for sure.

[Bumbles247]

Let me see if I have all this straight. Most of Russia, while huge in area, is a frozen wasteland. Though they do have plenty of oil and timber, the Ukraine has long been the only "Russian" area with large amounts of tillable farmland. It's the breadbasket of the whole of eastern Europe. 

So back in the 1920s, after Lenin disarmed the whole population of Ukraine, then died from a stroke. Stalin came in, and in the name of protecting the "homeland," his government collectivized (stole) all the farms. He made it illegal for a private person to own a farm. He then went on to "collectivize" (steal) all the food these farmers were now forced to produce all in the name of socialism.

But since it was profitable for Stalin to sell most of this grain on the open world market, he did exactly that. While at the same time he forced the Ukrainians to produce food they couldn't eat themselves (the penalty for stealing a bag of grain was death - as was the penalty for trying to leave the Ukraine for a better life), to the point that millions of them starved to death within sight of thousands of railroad cars filled with food. 

Of course the starving Ukrainians occasionally rebelled, but with only pitchforks against Mosin-Nagant rifles, well, you get the picture - and I'll stop before getting into the benefit of an armed citizenry debate. Though one can't help but wonder how things may have been different if the starving millions were armed with AR-15s and tons of ammo instead of pitchforks and scythes.

Regardless, eventually WWII started and the Russian oligarchy was able to somewhat unite the citizens of Ukraine for a while against the evil Nazi empire. They were able to ride that wave of unity, along with their still existing heavy-handed approach to punish any citizens for trying to leave, all the way through the early 1980s, at which point the inherently flawed aspects of forced socialism finally resulted in an unsustainable system of forced collectivization. The great Soviet Union fell apart.

At this point, the Ukraine, many of whose citizens had lived through the war, and who had at least heard the stories of the starvation tactics of the previous regime, seized upon their opportunity to once again self-rule. Russia didn't like it much, but they didn't really have a choice. They did, however, sign a piece of paper promising Ukraine they wouldn't invade as long as Ukraine gave their nukes back. Of course serving papers on a rat has no value. Rats don't care about words on paper. And apparently the millions of disarmed Ukrainians who were starved to death weren't around to remind Ukraine of the dangers of disarming.

So the Ukraine had it's own government. Unfortunately, being surrounded on all sides by nations and businesses who now saw opportunity in the  availability of the tremendous amount of natural resources, competition from all angles resulted in a plague of corruption as different factions constantly struggled for control. 

Anyway, for all its faults, the Ukraine, if nothing else, served as a geographic buffer between Russia and the so-called evil members of NATO. Meanwhile, Putin, who's grandfather personally served both Lenin and Stalin, and who went through the entire meltdown of the Soviet Union as a die-hard Marxist, sat in Moscow seething for decades over the loss of the Ukraine to his so-called homeland. Waiting and waiting. And finally, after seeing the only major threat to his reintegration opportunity come under the direction of a doddering, ice cream licking, school girl sniffing, diaper shitting puppet, Putin manages to justify his invasion of a sovereign nation by simultaneously equating the existence of the NATO defense bloc with that of the invading Nazis of the 1930s and '40s.

So Putin justifies his long lasting desire to re-acquire the Ukraine and all its resources under his oligarchic wing by stating the best way to defend against a NATO invasion is to repatriate the homeland, and therefore remove the geographic buffer that exists. Ironically, Putin manages to justify his actions (even though it's really just about getting the coveted bread basket back under Russian control) by equating NATO to Hitler's NAZIs, while at the same time using a totally Hitleresque speech which serves to fuel and multiply mass paranoia shared by a handful of Ukrainians in a couple different regions.

Meanwhile the leader of the last bastion of hope in the free world was heard to say, "Hey Vlad, if you had produced more oil when I shut ours down these people wouldn't be so mean to me . . . Corn Pop . . . . hey you smell nice . . . . now you're being mean so we're not going to buy your oil anyway . . . I like vanilla . . . you gotta understand . . . . well . . . come on, man  . . . oops, pooped 'em again  . . . wait, one teleprompter is my speech and the other is for my answers? . . . can you type them out faster the people think I'm an idiot . . .  let's go to Delaware, they don't ask me hard questions there.

[shiva2999]

56 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said:

Not kill innocent Canadians.

Thats for sure.

A million Iraqis, sure, but Canadians?

You wouldn't dare. We're too nice.

[Professor Pigworth]

5 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

No, from Hunter. I'm hoping to get in on some of that sweet grift cash for zero skill and questionable intelligence! 

"Did somebody say 'grift, zero skill and questionable intelligence'?"

 

 

[shiva2999]

50 minutes ago, Bumbles247 said:

Let me see if I have all this straight. Most of Russia, while huge in area, is a frozen wasteland. Though they do have plenty of oil and timber, the Ukraine has long been the only "Russian" area with large amounts of tillable farmland. It's the breadbasket of the whole of eastern Europe. 

So back in the 1920s, after Lenin disarmed the whole population of Ukraine, then died from a stroke. Stalin came in, and in the name of protecting the "homeland," his government collectivized (stole) all the farms. He made it illegal for a private person to own a farm. He then went on to "collectivize" (steal) all the food these farmers were now forced to produce all in the name of socialism.

But since it was profitable for Stalin to sell most of this grain on the open world market, he did exactly that. While at the same time he forced the Ukrainians to produce food they couldn't eat themselves (the penalty for stealing a bag of grain was death - as was the penalty for trying to leave the Ukraine for a better life), to the point that millions of them starved to death within sight of thousands of railroad cars filled with food. 

Of course the starving Ukrainians occasionally rebelled, but with only pitchforks against Mosin-Nagant rifles, well, you get the picture - and I'll stop before getting into the benefit of an armed citizenry debate. Though one can't help but wonder how things may have been different if the starving millions were armed with AR-15s and tons of ammo instead of pitchforks and scythes.

Regardless, eventually WWII started and the Russian oligarchy was able to somewhat unite the citizens of Ukraine for a while against the evil Nazi empire. They were able to ride that wave of unity, along with their still existing heavy-handed approach to punish any citizens for trying to leave, all the way through the early 1980s, at which point the inherently flawed aspects of forced socialism finally resulted in an unsustainable system of forced collectivization. The great Soviet Union fell apart.

At this point, the Ukraine, many of whose citizens had lived through the war, and who had at least heard the stories of the starvation tactics of the previous regime, seized upon their opportunity to once again self-rule. Russia didn't like it much, but they didn't really have a choice. They did, however, sign a piece of paper promising Ukraine they wouldn't invade as long as Ukraine gave their nukes back. Of course serving papers on a rat has no value. Rats don't care about words on paper. And apparently the millions of disarmed Ukrainians who were starved to death weren't around to remind Ukraine of the dangers of disarming.

So the Ukraine had it's own government. Unfortunately, being surrounded on all sides by nations and businesses who now saw opportunity in the  availability of the tremendous amount of natural resources, competition from all angles resulted in a plague of corruption as different factions constantly struggled for control. 

Anyway, for all its faults, the Ukraine, if nothing else, served as a geographic buffer between Russia and the so-called evil members of NATO. Meanwhile, Putin, who's grandfather personally served both Lenin and Stalin, and who went through the entire meltdown of the Soviet Union as a die-hard Marxist, sat in Moscow seething for decades over the loss of the Ukraine to his so-called homeland. Waiting and waiting. And finally, after seeing the only major threat to his reintegration opportunity come under the direction of a doddering, ice cream licking, school girl sniffing, diaper shitting puppet, Putin manages to justify his invasion of a sovereign nation by simultaneously equating the existence of the NATO defense bloc with that of the invading Nazis of the 1930s and '40s.

So Putin justifies his long lasting desire to re-acquire the Ukraine and all its resources under his oligarchic wing by stating the best way to defend against a NATO invasion is to repatriate the homeland, and therefore remove the geographic buffer that exists. Ironically, Putin manages to justify his actions (even though it's really just about getting the coveted bread basket back under Russian control) by equating NATO to Hitler's NAZIs, while at the same time using a totally Hitleresque speech which serves to fuel and multiply mass paranoia shared by a handful of Ukrainians in a couple different regions.

Meanwhile the leader of the last bastion of hope in the free world was heard to say, "Hey Vlad, if you had produced more oil when I shut ours down these people wouldn't be so mean to me . . . Corn Pop . . . . hey you smell nice . . . . now you're being mean so we're not going to buy your oil anyway . . . I like vanilla . . . you gotta understand . . . . well . . . come on, man  . . . oops, pooped 'em again  . . . wait, one teleprompter is my speech and the other is for my answers? . . . can you type them out faster the people think I'm an idiot . . .  let's go to Delaware, they don't ask me hard questions there.

So, since in your estimation America is the most virtuous country in history, you are justified in engineering regime changes in every country of the world that won't suck America's dick?

[Bumbles247]

1 hour ago, shiva2999 said:

So, since in your estimation America is the most virtuous country in history, you are justified in engineering regime changes in every country of the world that won't suck America's dick?

I never said any of that. I know America has many faults. I was talking about Putin and Ukraine/Russia. Ukraine gained sovereignty. And yes, since then America and many other nations have tried to get their hand in the jar. I basically alluded to that in my comment about post sovereign corruption. But my post is about Putin citing a bullshit reason to justify his forcible, violent takeover, when the reality is he's been wanting to retake control of the Ukraine ever since his communist partners lost it. And I find it ironic that he does so by blaming NAZIs while simultaneously using NAZI tactics - and for many people it seems to be working.

Feel free to disagree with that all you want. But don't put words in my mouth.

[Philly'sFinest]

3 hours ago, FanBack said:

WTF is this idiot taking about?

I never know LOL

[SackMan518]

6 hours ago, Professor Pigworth said:

"Did somebody say 'grift, zero skill and questionable intelligence'?"

 

 

Now now Piggy, you're relapsing back into that TDS we talked about. Remember, I'm here to help!

[TonyasTaters]

People who continue to support Putin are scum bags. As Hilary stated correctly they are deplorables.

[SackMan518]

7 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

Not kill innocent Canadians.

Thats for sure.

So you think Putin ISN'T trying to avoid civilian casualties?

[LiterateStylish]

4 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

So you think Putin ISN'T trying to avoid civilian casualties?

By blowing up pregnancy hospitals?

[LiterateStylish]

6 hours ago, Bumbles247 said:

Let me see if I have all this straight. Most of Russia, while huge in area, is a frozen wasteland. Though they do have plenty of oil and timber, the Ukraine has long been the only "Russian" area with large amounts of tillable farmland. It's the breadbasket of the whole of eastern Europe. 

So back in the 1920s, after Lenin disarmed the whole population of Ukraine, then died from a stroke. Stalin came in, and in the name of protecting the "homeland," his government collectivized (stole) all the farms. He made it illegal for a private person to own a farm. He then went on to "collectivize" (steal) all the food these farmers were now forced to produce all in the name of socialism.

But since it was profitable for Stalin to sell most of this grain on the open world market, he did exactly that. While at the same time he forced the Ukrainians to produce food they couldn't eat themselves (the penalty for stealing a bag of grain was death - as was the penalty for trying to leave the Ukraine for a better life), to the point that millions of them starved to death within sight of thousands of railroad cars filled with food. 

Of course the starving Ukrainians occasionally rebelled, but with only pitchforks against Mosin-Nagant rifles, well, you get the picture - and I'll stop before getting into the benefit of an armed citizenry debate. Though one can't help but wonder how things may have been different if the starving millions were armed with AR-15s and tons of ammo instead of pitchforks and scythes.

Regardless, eventually WWII started and the Russian oligarchy was able to somewhat unite the citizens of Ukraine for a while against the evil Nazi empire. They were able to ride that wave of unity, along with their still existing heavy-handed approach to punish any citizens for trying to leave, all the way through the early 1980s, at which point the inherently flawed aspects of forced socialism finally resulted in an unsustainable system of forced collectivization. The great Soviet Union fell apart.

At this point, the Ukraine, many of whose citizens had lived through the war, and who had at least heard the stories of the starvation tactics of the previous regime, seized upon their opportunity to once again self-rule. Russia didn't like it much, but they didn't really have a choice. They did, however, sign a piece of paper promising Ukraine they wouldn't invade as long as Ukraine gave their nukes back. Of course serving papers on a rat has no value. Rats don't care about words on paper. And apparently the millions of disarmed Ukrainians who were starved to death weren't around to remind Ukraine of the dangers of disarming.

So the Ukraine had it's own government. Unfortunately, being surrounded on all sides by nations and businesses who now saw opportunity in the  availability of the tremendous amount of natural resources, competition from all angles resulted in a plague of corruption as different factions constantly struggled for control. 

Anyway, for all its faults, the Ukraine, if nothing else, served as a geographic buffer between Russia and the so-called evil members of NATO. Meanwhile, Putin, who's grandfather personally served both Lenin and Stalin, and who went through the entire meltdown of the Soviet Union as a die-hard Marxist, sat in Moscow seething for decades over the loss of the Ukraine to his so-called homeland. Waiting and waiting. And finally, after seeing the only major threat to his reintegration opportunity come under the direction of a doddering, ice cream licking, school girl sniffing, diaper shitting puppet, Putin manages to justify his invasion of a sovereign nation by simultaneously equating the existence of the NATO defense bloc with that of the invading Nazis of the 1930s and '40s.

So Putin justifies his long lasting desire to re-acquire the Ukraine and all its resources under his oligarchic wing by stating the best way to defend against a NATO invasion is to repatriate the homeland, and therefore remove the geographic buffer that exists. Ironically, Putin manages to justify his actions (even though it's really just about getting the coveted bread basket back under Russian control) by equating NATO to Hitler's NAZIs, while at the same time using a totally Hitleresque speech which serves to fuel and multiply mass paranoia shared by a handful of Ukrainians in a couple different regions.

Meanwhile the leader of the last bastion of hope in the free world was heard to say, "Hey Vlad, if you had produced more oil when I shut ours down these people wouldn't be so mean to me . . . Corn Pop . . . . hey you smell nice . . . . now you're being mean so we're not going to buy your oil anyway . . . I like vanilla . . . you gotta understand . . . . well . . . come on, man  . . . oops, pooped 'em again  . . . wait, one teleprompter is my speech and the other is for my answers? . . . can you type them out faster the people think I'm an idiot . . .  let's go to Delaware, they don't ask me hard questions there.

This wont get many responses because it is incredible and impossible to refute.