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Pope Francis' thoughts on Ukraine. I won't share the Corporate State controlled press' narrative about what he said.  Here is what he actually said:

 

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The conversation centred on the subject of the war in Ukraine, for which the Pope has appealed since it broke out on 24 February, and for which so far he has made many attempts at mediation, starting with the telephone call to President Zelensky, the visit to the Russian embassy to the Holy See, and above all the willingness to go to Moscow to meet President Putin.

"I asked Cardinal Parolin, after twenty days of war, to send a message to Putin to say that I was willing to go to Moscow.”

Of course, affirmed the Pope, the Russian President must first offer a window for dates. “We have not yet received an answer, and we are still insisting, even if I fear that Putin cannot and does not want to have this meeting at this time. But how can this brutality not be stopped? Twenty-five years ago we experienced the same thing with Rwanda.”

Wars to test weapons

The Pope's comments also reflected on the reasons for war and on the "trade" in arms, which for him remains a "scandal" opposed by few people.

Pope Francis spoke of "an anger facilitated" perhaps, by "NATO's barking at Russia's door" that has led the Kremlin to "react badly and unleash the conflict".

“I don't know how to answer - I'm too far away - the question of whether it is right to supply the Ukrainians," he reasoned. "The clear thing is that weapons are being tested there. The Russians now know that tanks are of little use and are thinking of other things. This is why wars are waged: to test the weapons we have produced. Few people are fighting this trade, but more should be done."

The Pope also cited the halting in Genoa of a convoy carrying arms to Yemen, which the port authorities chose "two or three years ago" to stop.

Visit to Moscow first

No trip to Kyiv is planned at the moment, but first, the Pope would prefer to visit Moscow.

Reviewing the efforts made or to be made to stop the escalation of violence, the Pope clarified: "I am not going to Kyiv for now; I feel that I must not go. First I must go to Moscow. First I must meet Putin. But I am also a priest, what can I do? I do what I can. If Putin would only open the door...".

Again the Pope looked to Moscow for the possibility of working together with Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church.

He cited the 40-minute conversation via Zoom on 15 March last and the "justifications" for the war cited by Kirill, and returned to the missed appointment in June in Jerusalem.

“I listened," said Pope Francis in the interview with Corriere della Sera, "and I told him: I completely fail to understand this. Brother, we are not state clerics; we cannot use the language of politics, but that of Jesus. We are pastors of the same holy people of God. That is why we must seek ways of peace, stop the fire of arms. The Patriarch cannot become Putin's altar boy. I had a meeting scheduled with him in Jerusalem on 14 June. It would have been our second face-to-face meeting, nothing to do with the war. But now even he agrees: 'Let's wait; it could be an ambiguous signal'."

Wars for international interests

The Pope's gaze widened again to speak of the rights of peoples in a world at war, a "third world war" so often evoked and feared.

He was not raising an "alarm", he clarified, but offering an "ascertainment of things: Syria, Yemen, Iraq, in Africa one war after another. There are international interests in every bit of it. You cannot think that a free state can make war on another free state. In Ukraine, it seems that it was others who created the conflict. The only thing that is blamed on the Ukrainians is that they reacted in the Donbas, but we are talking about ten years ago. That argument is old. Of course, they are a proud people.”

Not enough desire for peace

In this regard, the Pope returned to the Good Friday Way of the Cross at the Colosseum and to the requests from the Ukrainian side that led to the reading of the meditation at the thirteenth station, led by a Russian and a Ukrainian woman being scrapped.

Pope Francis explained the conversation he had with Cardinal Krajewski, who for Easter was in Kyiv for the third time sent by the Pope since the beginning of the conflict.

 

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“It has never been clearer that, for peace to flourish, all people need to lay down the weapons of war, and especially the most powerful and destructive of weapons: nuclear arms that can cripple and destroy whole cities, whole countries,” he said.

During his 2019 visit to Japan, Pope Francis described the possession or deployment of atomic weapons as immoral.

He has also repeatedly called for their abolition and expressed his support for the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons.

Addressing participants in an International Symposium on "Prospects for a world free of nuclear weapons and for integral disarmament" in November 2017, the Pope stated: “Unless this process of disarmament be thoroughgoing and complete, and reach men’s very souls, it is impossible to stop the arms race, or to reduce armaments, or – and this is the main thing – ultimately to abolish them entirely.”

 

Pope Francis: 'Use and possession of nuclear weapons inconceivable' - Vatican News

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41 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

Pope Francis' thoughts on Ukraine. I won't share the Corporate State controlled press' narrative about what he said.  Here is what he actually said:

 

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This Pope has no credibilty, a Communist sympathizer pushing to normalize homosexuality in the church. Don't ever confuse the teachings and majesty of Jesus Christ and a man made religion.

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27 minutes ago, Herodotus said:

That may just be from your perspective.  No offense to you, but our media doesn't care about Africa, most of Asia or South America unless there is a government we want to overthrow or mineral resources or cash crop we want to steal, but actually John XXIII, Paul VI, JP II, and Benedict have been vocal to a lot of the subsaharan African regimes.  Its behind the wonkiest of NY Times paywalls, but in 1995 Pope John Paul II explicitly called for an end to the killings.  However, as the guy in my av quipped once, "the pope, how many divisions does he have?"  The problem the Vatican has in international relations is that he can only appeal to those who choose to listen.  Long gone are the days when popes led armies into battle.  To be sure there is evidence to suggest Pius XII did unsuccessfully attempt to coordinate with members of the German resistance, especially high ranking members of the Abwehr and Wehrmacht high command to assassinate Hitler, which some apologists say is the reason he fell silent in denouncing Hitler's genocides.  However, the last pope to lead forces into combat was Julius II, before the reformation.  My point is, the Pope can say what he wants but for it to have effect people have to be willing to listen.  However, he does have some influence so it is possible that he could get someone on the fence to lean towards peace and stopping the bloodshed, but like all diplomatic efforts not designed to start wars, its a very slow process.

Nice of you to explain it to him, but it's simply a waste since he's the ultimate sheep that only knows what his media masters program him to think.

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3 hours ago, HipKat said:

My only problem with this is that there are parts of Africa that have experienced generations of genocide and I’ve never seen the Pope get involved

I don’t think the Pope knows that Africa exists. 🤔

 

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3 hours ago, Very Wide Right said:

This Pope has no credibilty, a Communist sympathizer pushing to normalize homosexuality in the church. Don't ever confuse the teachings and majesty of Jesus Christ and a man made religion.

As a Catholic I really can't stand this Pope. He needs to fucking retire and let them bring in someone like Pope JPII. Every time at Sunday Mass when they mention his name I just groan to myself but I'm assured that the body of Christ is not directed by this man.

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13 hours ago, HipKat said:

My only problem with this is that there are parts of Africa that have experienced generations of genocide and I’ve never seen the Pope get involved

Holy Shit!!!

So now my Papa has to address every fuckin' injustice in the world to have credibility to address a specific injustice?

Fuck that!!!

Leave him alone.

 

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1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

fuck the pope. fuck the catholic church. 

Fuck the religion of Gaia.  Fuck the Religion of Totalitarian Socialism.  Fuck the Religion of Man-made Climate Change.   Fuck the branding of Natural Abiotic Geologically- Produced Fuels as Heresy.  Fuck the Malthusian- inspired Desire to Ease  the Ability to Kill all Unborn.

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Just now, FanBack said:

Fuck the religion of Gaia.  Fuck the Religion of Totalitarian Socialism.  Fuck the Religion of Man-made Climate Change.   Fuck the branding of Natural Abiotic Geologically- Produced Fuels as Heresy.  Fuck the Malthusian- inspired Desire to Ease  the Ability to Kill all Unborn.

Fuck You.

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Just now, f8ta1ity54 said:

Fuck You.

Fuck your blind unreasoning, childish, simplistic, collectivist world view.   You lose.   It is all that you do.   It is all of which you are capable. 

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Just now, FanBack said:

Fuck your blind unreasoning, childish, simplistic, collectivist world view.   You lose.   It is all that you do.   It is all of which you are capable. 

Once I again I defuse a contentious thread. 

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7 minutes ago, jc856 said:

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well, at least we aren’t telling each other to kill ourselves, I think we are making progress!

I gave up on that. I was being over come with a feeling of moral suicide. That doesn’t mean I won’t smile a little if certain people accidentally got hit by a semi

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Just now, HipKat said:

I gave up on that. I was being over come with a feeling of moral suicide. That doesn’t mean I won’t smile a little if certain people accidentally got hit by a semi

I told SJ I hoped he would walk in front of a bus once. Then I felt bad. I’ve been trying to avoid that rhetoric now, no matter what someone says to me, it’s just words. 

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14 minutes ago, jc856 said:

I told SJ I hoped he would walk in front of a bus once. Then I felt bad. I’ve been trying to avoid that rhetoric now, no matter what someone says to me, it’s just words. 

Yeah well, you know how it is. The closer you get to the end of the road, the more you want to make sure you can step off it safely. Morality and karma and all that stuff

“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

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HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

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1 hour ago, HipKat said:

Yeah well, you know how it is. The closer you get to the end of the road, the more you want to make sure you can step off it safely. Morality and karma and all that stuff

Karma is just a silly idea.

Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people every minute of every hour of day of every week of every month, well, you get the idea. 
 

it’s been very consistently this way since time immemorial. I don’t see Karma anywhere.

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36 minutes ago, jc856 said:

Karma is just a silly idea.

Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people every minute of every hour of day of every week of every month, well, you get the idea. 
 

it’s been very consistently this way since time immemorial. I don’t see Karma anywhere.

 

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