THE VIDEO BLM DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SEE! Black lives that DON'T matter

[Down and Out]

13 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

It's easy when you have a bunch of good choices to choose from.

I dont make excuses, I explain the circumstances that lead to what happens.

I know classmates that died in the ghetto. Shot dead at 15 over stupid shit. I walked through the ghetto to go to school. I worked at low income schools in the ghetto. I worked at boys and girls clubs in the ghetto.I worked at sports camps in the ghetto. I sat in ghettos waiting for Crack heads to pick up their kids from summer camps.. I hung out at friend's houses in the ghetto. I partied in the ghetto. I made music with friends in the ghetto. 

You don't know shit about me.

Oh contraire, we do in fact have enough data ( from your bloviations) to create a dossier on you!  Your arrogance and uppityness give you away!

[Meathead]

2 minutes ago, HipKat said:

But how many motivated black people don't succeed because if there are fewer opportunities than not every person who's motivated it's going to find a place where they can succeed. Wouldn't you agree?

first of all, racism or a stigma of being black is the same thing

many blacks who find or keep a job and fail do so bc of their own poor attitude. you can see it when you approach them for help and they dont even look at you and interject saying thats not my section. those people inevitably disappear from the store and you dont see them anymore

unfortunately, ive spent a lot of time in hospitals and other medical settings. there are many blacks that work in those environments and its an entirely different story. i engage them in race related conversations as a matter of habit, and those people are eons more reasonable and realistic. of course they are more educated, but many of them came from the same exact environments as my foster father friend and they tell exactly the same kinds of stories. they agree that blacks that dont succeed are primarily the ones who have a bad attitude or give up too easily. they dont take their education seriously, they dont follow their parents guidance, or they are unlucky enough to have hoodrat(s) as caretakers so they grow up jaded. but even that last category can and do rise from that dysfunction on their own and still find success if they want to

when i was still healthy enough to exercise i used to go to the gym and water walk to strengthen my very damaged spine and there was a black man there working as the janitor. sometimes guys in the locker room would be talking about race issues or events and no matter the race of the participants he would interject himself with angry comments about how the system kept blacks down and they shouldnt be talking about anything else. when i approached him in a friendly manner to engage him on his viewpoints, he became agitated, told me there shouldn't be a white or black perspective, and said he didn't want to talk about it. i felt bad and wanted to try again but after not seeing him for a few visits i asked the manager if he was there that day and he said why is there a problem. now i never gave the manager any indication there was a problem so clearly this was a pattern that had already become known to the manager. they gave that man an opportunity and he wasted it. whose fault is that, the system?

regarding not every black finding a place where they can succeed, well that depends on their situation. if they are raised in a bad situation where their parent(s) or caretakers are going to kick them out as soon as they cant get benefits worth enough to keep them, then yes, there will be unlucky ones who try as they may cant find a job quick enough before their bastard caretakers kick them out, then they are left to fend for themselves. THOSE are the ones i feel really feel sorry for, bc now they either have to find a shelter to take them in while they continue to look for work, or they have no choice but to turn to the streets. my foster father friend was willing to let his kids stay there as long as they wanted, as long as they legitimately were looking for work. he offered to buy them lawn mowers and lawn tools to start working off the books to get them used to hustling for semi-legit jobs as training for finding real jobs, but they declined. which category does f8's jamal fit into?

every ethnic group that has come to this country has faced disadvantage and racism. yet most of them still managed to find a reasonable amount of success enough to raise a healthy and safe family. todays blacks have advantages that many of those other ethnic groups didnt. if flailing blacks focused more on personal responsibility instead of exacting retribution on white sins of the past, they would stand a dramatically better chance of success and would probably find it. for those that fall through the cracks despite their best efforts, i feel very bad for them. but they are the exception and not the rule. resources are out there for them to keep most of them afloat as long as they keep grinding for opportunity. unfortunately, too many of them remain stuck in their own racism and reject that path bc they dont want to follow the "white mans way". BLM has done enormous damage to these types of people by giving them an excuse to continue to hold onto their racism and blame someone else instead of keeping their attention to the task at hand

the bottom line is that you have to remain focused and take responsibility for your own path. some are going to fall through the cracks and thats heartbreaking. but the majority will eventually find success if they remain dogged in their approach and just dont give up, have a respectful and courteous attitude, and do the best job they can whenever any opportunity arises, no matter how small. the overwhelming majority of people of any race will be rewarded for that approach. sitting around all day bemoaning your disadvantages isnt going to get you there, and turning to the streets is almost certain to have you end up addicted, in the joint, or dead

[Thebowflexbody]

You bleeding hearts should start filling out and submitting your reparations checks.  I will not be doing that.

[f8ta1ity54]

1 hour ago, HipKat said:

@Meathead I think we all agree that there are fewer opportunities for black people to succeed because of either the racism that you cited or the stigma that comes from just being black and all of the negative attributes that are attached to that but we also see that motivated black people can succeed. That's what you said and we've all seen that. But how many motivated black people don't succeed because if there are fewer opportunities than not every person who's motivated it's going to find a place where they can succeed. Wouldn't you agree?

I think those people are a bigger concern than everyday ghetto thug that just chooses to smoke weed and sit around making the most amount of money for the least amount of effort because those are people who want to be viable citizens but end up being frustrated by the lack of opportunities that are available to them

At least someone gets it. I'm done arguing with people who can't understand the difference between the role of personal accountability on an individual level and the systemic and social issues that affect the black community as a whole.

[Thebowflexbody]

HipKat and f8 have teamed up!  Look out!  LOL.  Quite a pair those two.

[Thebowflexbody]

Who here thinks f8 is a brotha?  I say no.

[Down and Out]

38 minutes ago, Thebowflexbody said:

Who here thinks f8 is a brotha?  I say no.

Nah he's a pasty white pointdexter here to antagonize!

[Thebowflexbody]

4 minutes ago, Down and Out said:

Nah he's a pasty white pointdexter here to antagonize!

Apologist/excuse maker/wannabe

[Meathead]

59 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

At least someone gets it. I'm done arguing with people who can't understand the difference between the role of personal accountability on an individual level and the systemic and social issues that affect the black community as a whole.

i agreed with everything Hip said

you just take it WAY too far and you pass off hyper-liberal academia, peer reviewed by other hyper-liberals, as some sort of bedrock standard of validity and the only perspective that matters

well, academia is far away from interjecting yourself in the totality of a community, having intimate conversations with adults trying to elicit change in their dysfunctional environments, and win the cultural war raging within blackness for the good of everybody

you dont like being challenged and you certainly dont like it when holes are found in your arguments. you were the one who resorted to name calling and trying to delegitimize my decades of direct experience and intimate involvement in civil rights and racial issues

you need to check your arrogance. you are not the only one fighting to help black people. your perspective isnt the only one that matters

[Thebowflexbody]

Liberals peer reviewing other liberals.  A joke/sham.

[ICRockets2]

On 5/28/2021 at 11:58 AM, HipKat said:

@Meathead I think we all agree that there are fewer opportunities for black people to succeed because of either the racism that you cited or the stigma that comes from just being black and all of the negative attributes that are attached to that but we also see that motivated black people can succeed. That's what you said and we've all seen that. But how many motivated black people don't succeed because if there are fewer opportunities than not every person who's motivated it's going to find a place where they can succeed. Wouldn't you agree?

I think those people are a bigger concern than everyday ghetto thug that just chooses to smoke weed and sit around making the most amount of money for the least amount of effort because those are people who want to be viable citizens but end up being frustrated by the lack of opportunities that are available to them

Wow, we must have solved racism a LOT in the past 18 months for Hip to no longer agree with this take

[Thebowflexbody]

F*ck BLM

[RichJ]

Blm leaders need mo money. They need mo houses in rich white neighborhoods yo !

please send mo white guilt money for shizzle. 

[ICRockets2]

3 minutes ago, RichJ said:

Blm leaders need mo money. They need mo houses in rich white neighborhoods yo !

please send mo white guilt money for shizzle. 

Hey Rich I'm just curious, do you think of yourself as a racist?

[Thebowflexbody]

32 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

Hey Rich I'm just curious, do you think of yourself as a racist?

Racists racists everywhere!!!!!!!!  LOL.  F*ck off.

[RichJ]

1 hour ago, ICRockets2 said:

Hey Rich I'm just curious, do you think of yourself as a racist?

You make up words and change definitions so I may be one in your delusional world.

 

[ICRockets2]

44 minutes ago, RichJ said:

You make up words and change definitions so I may be one in your delusional world.

 

I didn't ask about me or my definition.  I asked about you and yours.  What is YOUR definition of a racist, and do you believe it describes yourself?

[RichJ]

28 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

I didn't ask about me or my definition.  I asked about you and yours.  What is YOUR definition of a racist, and do you believe it describes yourself?

I don't dislike or hate anyone based on the color if their skin. I don't actually look at people and say he/shes black ,brown ,yellow, gay etc. 

[ICRockets2]

14 minutes ago, RichJ said:

I don't dislike or hate anyone based on the color if their skin. I don't actually look at people and say he/shes black ,brown ,yellow, gay etc. 

So that's your definition of racism?  Dislike or hate based on skin color?  Do I have that correct?

[HipKat]

11 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

Wow, we must have solved racism a LOT in the past 18 months for Hip to no longer agree with this take

No, I still agree with this. You're just to stupid and driven by your need to be right to understand it

[ICRockets2]

3 minutes ago, HipKat said:

No, I still agree with this. You're just to stupid and driven by your need to be right to understand it

No, you don't still agree with it.  Every time f8 and I try to explain how systemic racism limits the opportunities of inner-city black people to escape poverty, you push back and insist they have more than enough opportunities and the only reason to remain in poverty is if you're too lazy to want more.  But then I see this thread, and you're saying the exact same thing we try to tell you now: that failing to escape poverty doesn't necessarily mean you didn't try.  

[HipKat]

15 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

No, you don't still agree with it.  Every time f8 and I try to explain how systemic racism limits the opportunities of inner-city black people to escape poverty, you push back and insist they have more than enough opportunities and the only reason to remain in poverty is if you're too lazy to want more.  But then I see this thread, and you're saying the exact same thing we try to tell you now: that failing to escape poverty doesn't necessarily mean you didn't try.  

Wrong! Yes, their opportunities are limited and it's a thorny road to pull themselves out of their plight BUT, that does not change the fact that many have adopted a lifestyle of criminal behavior in lieu of walking that road along with a lifestyle of simply living off the system with no intent of getting off of it all the while blaming white people for THEIR bad decisions and THAT is what Meathead stood on in these discussions.

[ICRockets2]

22 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Wrong! Yes, their opportunities are limited and it's a thorny road to pull themselves out of their plight BUT, that does not change the fact that many have adopted a lifestyle of criminal behavior in lieu of walking that road along with a lifestyle of simply living off the system with no intent of getting off of it all the while blaming white people for THEIR bad decisions and THAT is what Meathead stood on in these discussions.

No, the only thing Hal ever stood on was intense racism and deeply problematic opinions about the age of consent.

[ICRockets2]

11 hours ago, ICRockets2 said:

But how many motivated black people don't succeed because if there are fewer opportunities than not every person who's motivated it's going to find a place where they can succeed. Wouldn't you agree?

I think those people are a bigger concern than everyday ghetto thug that just chooses to smoke weed and sit around making the most amount of money for the least amount of effort because those are people who want to be viable citizens but end up being frustrated by the lack of opportunities that are available to them

This used to be your position.  "Focus less on the 'ghetto thugs' and more on the 'good blacks' who work hard."

But you have shifted to OBSESSING over the 'ghetto thugs' anytime black people are mentioned.  Your position has very clearly changed.  All of a sudden the 'ghetto thugs' seem to bother you an awful lot.

[HipKat]

40 minutes ago, ICRockets2 said:

No, the only thing Hal ever stood on was intense racism and deeply problematic opinions about the age of consent.

Wrong. He was very vocal on here about his stance on topics like black on black crime and taking advantage of the system. Which you should know since you were posting here every day over the last five or six years. Oh wait, no you weren’t.

He never shied away from pointing the finger at the very people I’m talking about. I was actually shocked slightly seeing the things he wrote knowing, as he talked about how entrenched he was in the black community.

I would venture to say that you don’t know shit about what happens in inner-city neighborhoods because you’re a pussy who wouldn’t have the balls to walk through one much less live or work in one.