THE VIDEO BLM DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SEE! Black lives that DON'T matter

[Thebowflexbody]

37 minutes ago, jc856 said:

Sorry, I expect nothing less from any other race either. Blacks aren’t special. Don’t spit in a cops face and you won’t be slammed harder than you deserve.

Minorities don’t have to be a model anything. Just don’t be an asshole. Acknowledge that, so we can move on. 

They aren't "special".  No one is.  F8 begs to differ!!!  LOL

[Thebowflexbody]

23 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

He won’t, just like he didn’t acknowledge bad parenting and bad role models like gangsta rap as a reason. 

What's the definition of mass confusion?  Anyone????

[Thebowflexbody]

13 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

I never said I agree with resisting police. But we have to understand their culture of gang banging is a product of social factors and and racism.

You were, whether  intentional or not, I'm not sure, a racist talking point.

Excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses.................

[Meathead]

54 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

I never said I agree with resisting police. But we have to understand their culture of gang banging is a product of social factors and and racism.

AND CHOICES

wtf is wrong with you not being able to acknowledge that? You are as much of an apologist as they come. Good black families with two good parents in the household lose children to the streets because of people like you finding excuses to just wave away the bangers own bad choices in the matter. Shame on you

Go to a stop the violence rally in the hood and watch as the parents weep and beg the children around them to not get involved in the streets because they will end up dead just like their child did. These are good church-going people, and they have to bury their son because he got lured into that violent lifestyle by the false promise of easy money and getting his dick sucked. People like you enable that. But you don't have the balls to go into the ghetto. You just sit in your academic Ivory Tower spouting liberal studies with no knowledge or experience of what it's really like for those people who suffer losses like that. Right now I'm pretty disgusted with you

[jc856]

53 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

I never said I agree with resisting police. But we have to understand their culture of gang banging is a product of social factors and and racism.

You were, whether  intentional or not, I'm not sure, a racist talking point.

We do? Why? If someone commits a crime, I don’t care how he got to that point.

if a man is caught molesting a kid, do you think I give a fuck that he himself was molested? 

[jc856]

10 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

As it was stated in this thread by someone poverty and oppression are the factors leading to this behavior. You can find similar situations around the world with similar levels of violence.

What policies would I do to change this? Easy, but it will take a generation or two.

1. End the drug war.

2. End for profit prisons and put more money towards rehabilitation.

3. Increase minimum wage

4. Universal Healthcare

5. Universal childcare

6. Police reform

7. Universal pre k - through 4 years of college / More money into public inner city schools and low income areas.

And guess what???

This also helps white people too! Actually, all people! 

You forgot, “defund the police” to pay for it!!!!!!😆😆

[Thebowflexbody]

5 minutes ago, jc856 said:

We do? Why? If someone commits a crime, I don’t care how he got to that point.

if a man is caught molesting a kid, do you think I give a fuck that he himself was molested? 

Bingo.  Me either.  Excuses excuses.  That's f8.

[f8ta1ity54]

1 hour ago, Meathead said:

AND CHOICES

wtf is wrong with you not being able to acknowledge that? You are as much of an apologist as they come. Good black families with two good parents in the household lose children to the streets because of people like you finding excuses to just wave away the bangers own bad choices in the matter. Shame on you

Go to a stop the violence rally in the hood and watch as the parents weep and beg the children around them to not get involved in the streets because they will end up dead just like their child did. These are good church-going people, and they have to bury their son because he got lured into that violent lifestyle by the false promise of easy money and getting his dick sucked. People like you enable that. But you don't have the balls to go into the ghetto. You just sit in your academic Ivory Tower spouting liberal studies with no knowledge or experience of what it's really like for those people who suffer losses like that. Right now I'm pretty disgusted with you

It's easy when you have a bunch of good choices to choose from.

I dont make excuses, I explain the circumstances that lead to what happens.

I know classmates that died in the ghetto. Shot dead at 15 over stupid shit. I walked through the ghetto to go to school. I worked at low income schools in the ghetto. I worked at boys and girls clubs in the ghetto.I worked at sports camps in the ghetto. I sat in ghettos waiting for Crack heads to pick up their kids from summer camps.. I hung out at friend's houses in the ghetto. I partied in the ghetto. I made music with friends in the ghetto. 

You don't know shit about me.

[Meathead]

1 minute ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

It's easy when you have a bunch of good choices to choose from.

I dont make excuses, I explain the circumstances that lead to what happens.

I know classmates that died in the ghetto. Shot dead at 15 over stupid shit. I walked through the ghetto to go to school. I worked at low income schools in the ghetto. I worked at boys and girls clubs in the ghetto.I worked at sports camps in the ghetto. I sat in ghettos waiting for Crack heads to pick up their kids from summer camps.. I hung out at friend's houses in the ghetto. I partied in the ghetto. I made music with friends in the ghetto. 

You don't know shit about me.

OMFG!

that just makes it all the worse

you saw all that and you STILL refuse to prominently include personal responsibility and the choices people make to account for the highly disproportionate level of violent crimes and criminal activity that comes from that subset of blackness. everything to you is external, none of it is internal

you are truly a piece of work, man

 

[Meathead]

furthermore, blacks have more good choices here than they do anywhere else in the ENTIRE WORLD. they even have white people waiting on the sidelines ready to help them. but too many of the CHOOSE to eschew those choices and that help due to THEIR OWN RACISM

luckily, they have you to enable them, to keep reminding them that its whiteys fault, encouraging them to hold up black thugs as some kind of warped MLK martyrs, resisting the police with violence, and doing everything except taking personal responsibility for their own choices

man, im through with you. even if i do manage to get a grip on  critical race theory im not discussing it with you. i dont trust your judgment

[HipKat]

I hung out on 39th and Crenshaw in LA with a dude that worked for me in 1987 and lived in that area. Me, my buddy I was in the Army with and him and a bunch of dudes that lived down there would hang out on Friday nights, walking around the neighborhood, drinking OE lol.. that was crazy shit looking back on it.

You know who else was from 39th and Crenshaw area?

These dudes...

I might have hung out with a young Ice Cube and never knew it!

[f8ta1ity54]

41 minutes ago, Meathead said:

OMFG!

that just makes it all the worse

you saw all that and you STILL refuse to prominently include personal responsibility and the choices people make to account for the highly disproportionate level of violent crimes and criminal activity that comes from that subset of blackness. everything to you is external, none of it is internal

you are truly a piece of work, man

I have already told you I agree with personal responsibility. But you can use personal accountability as a reason for a community of people be oppressed. Get that through your head. 

[f8ta1ity54]

2 hours ago, jc856 said:

You forgot, “defund the police” to pay for it!!!!!!😆😆

Nope, I said Police Reform. 

[Meathead]

they are not oppressed. they WERE oppressed, and the DID start the monopoly game thirty moves back, but those days are long gone now and they have every opportunity everybody else has, even more when you consider all the help they can get. get that through YOUR head

[jc856]

23 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Nope, I said Police Reform. 

Police Reform: Less policing in high crimes areas~ f8

[f8ta1ity54]

56 minutes ago, Meathead said:

furthermore, blacks have more good choices here than they do anywhere else in the ENTIRE WORLD. they even have white people waiting on the sidelines ready to help them. but too many of the CHOOSE to eschew those choices and that help due to THEIR OWN RACISM

luckily, they have you to enable them, to keep reminding them that its whiteys fault, encouraging them to hold up black thugs as some kind of warped MLK martyrs, resisting the police with violence, and doing everything except taking personal responsibility for their own choices

man, im through with you. even if i do manage to get a grip on  critical race theory im not discussing it with you. i dont trust your judgment

This is what you dont understand.

I tell my black friends don't steal, don't do drugs, don't resist arrest, stay in school, get a job, etc. Reasonable things to tell any individual.

But in reality,

When your school has out dated text books by at least two decades, you get arrested for possession of MJ even though the white kids use more and you get a harsher punishment than them, you are racially profiled and harassed by police, get pulled over for "having a license plate light out" the white lady clutches her purse while your in the same isle of the grocery store, you get declined for a job because your name is Jamal, you have a more difficult time getting a loan because you're black...that's when I say the system is stacked against the black community. That's systemic racism.

That's what makes me feel bad for people who feel they need to kill each other over drugs and turf just to survive. I dont support it but I can empathize. If you dont see this as the reality, you are a fucking idiot. You are stuck on the symptoms not the ugly disease.

Give me a warning, ban me whatever. You are fucking ignorant. You think I don't understand the pain these people go through, but you don't ask why? Why are people willing to do this shit? Why are people willing to kill each other? Why do they think thug life is a better option than accepting being a second class citizen?

Again tell me when point 1 was? Clown.

[f8ta1ity54]

16 minutes ago, jc856 said:

Police Reform: Less policing in high crimes areas~ f8

More police. More crimes. Circular logic.

[jc856]

20 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

More police. More crimes. Circular logic.

If a crime falls in the hoods, and there are no police to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Meathead]

28 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

This is what you dont understand.

I tell my black friends don't steal, don't do drugs, don't resist arrest, stay in school, get a job, etc. Reasonable things to tell any individual.

But in reality,

When your school has out dated text books by at least two decades, you get arrested for possession of MJ even though the white kids use more and you get a harsher punishment than them, you are racially profiled and harassed by police, get pulled over for "having a license plate light out" the white lady clutches her purse while your in the same isle of the grocery store, you get declined for a job because your name is Jamal, you have a more difficult time getting a loan because you're black...that's when I say the system is stacked against the black community. That's systemic racism.

That's what makes me feel bad for people who feel they need to kill each other over drugs and turf just to survive. I dont support it but I can empathize. If you dont see this as the reality, you are a fucking idiot. You are stuck on the symptoms not the ugly disease.

those are excuses. if your friend jamal cant get a job its because hes too proud to work at a macdonalds who are full of jamals. i see a ton of black people working at walmart and sams club and tops and target. you just keep grinding until you find a job, any job, and you do it to the best of your ability. if you are not advising them to do that then you are just enabling their victimhood

why does the white lady clutch her purse? same reason why they put black hair products behind locked cabinets. it sucks for honest blacks that dont steal, but lots of them do, and once youre burned youre going to be more careful around the people that look like the ones committing those crimes. thats a cultural issue, both within blackness, as well as within the culture at large that refuses to address the problem openly and honestly. your friends suffer from that due to the behavior of the subset that is behaving badly

you dont have a monopoly on understanding black suffering. ive witnessed it first hand as well, albeit a few years back now. but things are even better now than they were back then. theres more opportunity now if youre willing to grind for it. ive seen it first hand myself. just like anybody else, the blacks that dont take no for an answer, just keep grinding away at finding a job, then do the best job they can and be a good employee, always get ahead and can parlay that into better opportunities elsewhere. this is no different than any other ethnic group that faced adversity when they came to this country, they just didnt stop until they found their chance and then they took advantage of it. they all had disadvantages but they found a way

youre just pissed that im finding the holes in your arguments. ive worked to help black folks a hell of a lot longer than you have and succeeded on a level you will take years to accomplish. you cant dismiss me with a wave of your excuse making hand without me challenging your damaging victimhood mentality. i was one of the ones who laid the groundwork for you, now you have the balls to tell me my accomplishments meant nothing. thats some serious bullshit right there

i gave you a break on your warning. your points will expire in two weeks. but youre not getting that break again. you know the rules. you will not personally attack any more posters or youre going to be sitting

[Thebowflexbody]

7 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

It's easy when you have a bunch of good choices to choose from.

I dont make excuses, I explain the circumstances that lead to what happens.

I know classmates that died in the ghetto. Shot dead at 15 over stupid shit. I walked through the ghetto to go to school. I worked at low income schools in the ghetto. I worked at boys and girls clubs in the ghetto.I worked at sports camps in the ghetto. I sat in ghettos waiting for Crack heads to pick up their kids from summer camps.. I hung out at friend's houses in the ghetto. I partied in the ghetto. I made music with friends in the ghetto. 

You don't know shit about me.

You make excuses, friend.  Clear as day.

[HipKat]

I see two things here.

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it sucks for honest blacks that dont steal, but lots of them do,

You keep saying things like this, @Meathead and you're not wrong, but while you keep hammering on the ghetto thugs that ruin it for honest people, you don't consider why those thugs even exist while @f8ta1ity54 is exploring how conditions motivate more of a criminal element in black neighborhoods, born of necessity or a feeling of doing whatever it takes to survive

 

[Thebowflexbody]

F8.  Are you black, or just a woke social justice crusader?  Be honest now.

[Thebowflexbody]

Just now, HipKat said:

I see two things here.

You keep saying things like this, @Meathead and you're not wrong, but while you keep hammering on the ghetto thugs that ruin it for honest people, you don't consider why those thugs even exist while @f8ta1ity54 is exploring how conditions motivate more of a criminal element in black neighborhoods, born of necessity

Necessity?  Sounds like more excuse making.

[Meathead]

5 hours ago, HipKat said:

I see two things here.

You keep saying things like this, @Meathead and you're not wrong, but while you keep hammering on the ghetto thugs that ruin it for honest people, you don't consider why those thugs even exist while @f8ta1ity54 is exploring how conditions motivate more of a criminal element in black neighborhoods, born of necessity or a feeling of doing whatever it takes to survive

you forget that ive spent a lot of time in the hood talking to adults about the problems that plague their communities. ask the adults why most offenders turn to crime or exploitation and their answer will overwhelmingly be because they want to. they reject getting a job bc they either view it as the white mans way, which they hate voraciously, or they want to sit around and smoke weed and drink all day. so they instead turn to crime, either mild or serious, as their form of employment to get the easy but dangerous and long-term damaging money instead

finding a job is tough, and its tougher when youre black bc there are more racist white people than the entire population of blacks, so they will run into it more often. but somehow many blacks that are motivated enough still find jobs

i sat and watched over the years while a very caring black foster father tried to get his three male kids turning 17 to go out and get jobs. one got a job as a roofing laborer, parlayed that into a job at walmart and parlayed that into better job after better job until he managed a hardware store here in the falls. this took him four years. the other two would leave the house in the morning, come back with a list of three or four places they applied to, and come home high and/or drunk. when the foster father told them he was going to kick them out if they didnt get a job, they took janky jobs at a crooked telemarketing setup where the owner paid them with weed. ultimately, one became a reckless weed dealer, selling on the street despite cameras being up all over the place, not to mention gangs threatening him for selling in their territory, got arrested and served jail time for carrying an illegal gun that he got into multiple gunfights with, now carries a felony charge on his record, and blamed the foster father and moved out to live in his now pregnant gfs basement at 19. another became a gigolo who sold his handsomeness and underage looking body for money, weed, and booze, and stayed wherever his customers would let him. they dont know where he is now

all these young men had firm guidance from their foster father for years before they turned 17. but they CHOSE the paths they did. i heard almost the exact same story from many other adults trying desperately to get their kids, biological, step, or foster, to follow the hard work path that is more difficult but more successful and clean in the long run. many stories of heartbreak and addicted, gangster, or dead kids

go to the 24 hour macdonalds on the corner of military and pine. its almost ALL BLACK employees. go to the burger king down the street, its almost ALL BLACK, as is the Wendys next to it. go to the walmart, the sams club, the target, the aldis, and the tops store and its filled with a whole bunch of black employees. this is in a predominantly white lasalle. these kids can get jobs IF THEY REALLY WANT TO, but instead they turn to the easier way of making crime their job, despite the desperate pleadings of their parents or caretakers

you never know which way they are going to go while they are growing up. the one kid who ended up making it to hardware store manager was the last one i thought would make it because he had a learning disability and though he tried he didnt do well in school. but once he got out there he just doggedly didnt stop until he found a job, worked his ass off, was courteous, respectful, and pleasant, always showed up on time, worked overtime when they asked him to, and became an assistant sams club manager within months of his hire. this was at 18 years old! then he smartly marketed himself to other places while he was working (i told him to do that), each time getting a better job and more diverse experience

meanwhile, the other two were setting themselves up to be trapped in a life of disadvantage due to their own choices. they got the same guidance as the successful one. they got the same advice from me. they stubbornly didnt listen to a word of it because they didnt want to

now who is going to be responsible for where they end up? the white man? the system? the police? the liquor store? no, its the street, and its what they chose, and they will reap the rotten fruit that is spawned there

[HipKat]

@Meathead I think we all agree that there are fewer opportunities for black people to succeed because of either the racism that you cited or the stigma that comes from just being black and all of the negative attributes that are attached to that but we also see that motivated black people can succeed. That's what you said and we've all seen that. But how many motivated black people don't succeed because if there are fewer opportunities than not every person who's motivated it's going to find a place where they can succeed. Wouldn't you agree?

I think those people are a bigger concern than everyday ghetto thug that just chooses to smoke weed and sit around making the most amount of money for the least amount of effort because those are people who want to be viable citizens but end up being frustrated by the lack of opportunities that are available to them