SyStEmIc RaCisM dOeS'nT ExIsT! : Refuted by academic studies & data (no feelings allowed)

[Thebowflexbody]

1 minute ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Oh no! Black people say mean stuff online!! The outrage!!

Meanwhile blacka live through systemic racism still in 2020.

Yep, these two things are totally equal. Lol

Since you're such a black apologist, are you indeed black?

[SackMan518]

59 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Oh no! Black people say mean stuff online!! The outrage!!

Meanwhile blacka live through systemic racism still in 2020.

Yep, these two things are totally equal. Lol

Huh... what systemic racism? Hiring preferences? NOT getting killed by the cops in huge numbers like they say? Tons of taxpayer money going to their communities and for social benefits? Free tuition? Lowered academic standards?

[jc856]

56 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Oh no! Black people say mean stuff online!! The outrage!!

Meanwhile blacka live through systemic racism still in 2020.

Yep, these two things are totally equal. Lol

Well, when they stop saying mean things online, whitey will stop the systemic racism.

see? Anybody can say stupid things online just like you did!

you have more bullshit than a cow field. Where did you get your degree?

[f8ta1ity54]

16 minutes ago, jc856 said:

Well, when they stop saying mean things online, whitey will stop the systemic racism.

see? Anybody can say stupid things online just like you did!

you have more bullshit than a cow field. Where did you get your degree?

hmmm...I don't think thats exactly how it works.

do you think black people say mean things, therefore systemic racism exists?

Or, is it more likely that systemic racism exists therefore it makes black people say mean things?

why don't you get a history book and find out.

Your meme game is weak.

[f8ta1ity54]

20 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

Huh... what systemic racism? Hiring preferences? NOT getting killed by the cops in huge numbers like they say? Tons of taxpayer money going to their communities and for social benefits? Free tuition? Lowered academic standards?

Did you read the OP? How could you come to the conclusion that systemic racism doesn't exist?

[f8ta1ity54]

1 hour ago, Thebowflexbody said:

Since you're such a black apologist, are you indeed black?

so you're not a black apologist? i thought all lives matter?

[SackMan518]

14 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Did you read the OP? How could you come to the conclusion that systemic racism doesn't exist?

I did but a lot of it was politically motivated and skewed to paint a narrative. For instance:

 

A 2017 study of interactions between officers and citizens taken from footage captured by police officer body cameras found that “officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop.

The study here admits that even minority officers treat minority suspects the same exact way but... systemic racism right?

White people are actually more likely to get pulled over for noticeable traffic violations such as speeding. Black drivers are more likely to not be told why they were pulled over.

That's called profiling. Clearly officers are only too happy to pull over whites as well and take their money.

In this study it showed that Black, Indian, and Native people are significantly more likely to get killed by the police than white people.

This study omits certain important factors such as if the citizen resisted arrest or were armed.

 

[jc856]

20 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

hmmm...I don't think thats exactly how it works.

do you think black people say mean things, therefore systemic racism exists?

Or, is it more likely that systemic racism exists therefore it makes black people say mean things?

why don't you get a history book and find out.

Your meme game is weak.

 

20 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

hmmm...I don't think thats exactly how it works.

do you think black people say mean things, therefore systemic racism exists?

Or, is it more likely that systemic racism exists therefore it makes black people say mean things?

why don't you get a history book and find out.

Your meme game is weak.

Dude, c’mon. The comparison thingy was a joke. Of course I don’t think that. Jeez you’re dense.

you, on the other hand, threw in the systemic racism thing on an article someone posted about something that had nothing to do with systemic racism. Because, by hell or high water, you’re going to ram it down everyone’s throat that “all things black” are due to it.

[f8ta1ity54]

1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

I did but a lot of it was politically motivated and skewed to paint a narrative. For instance:

A 2017 study of interactions between officers and citizens taken from footage captured by police officer body cameras found that “officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop.

The study here admits that even minority officers treat minority suspects the same exact way but... systemic racism right?

White people are actually more likely to get pulled over for noticeable traffic violations such as speeding. Black drivers are more likely to not be told why they were pulled over.

That's called profiling. Clearly officers are only too happy to pull over whites as well and take their money.

In this study it showed that Black, Indian, and Native people are significantly more likely to get killed by the police than white people.

This study omits certain important factors such as if the citizen resisted arrest or were armed.

1. Yes this is the very definition of systemic. I'll see if I can find a study I read recently. It was about a bunch of  mock trials. In one control group was a white suspect with white jurors. Another was a white suspect with a jury of POC. The other two control sets were of a black suspects, one white the other was POC. All of the evidence is the same. Same crime. Each time. The juries always votes to prosecute the black suspect more.

2. The black people were more likely to be told what they were pulled over for. As in, they fucking made it up because they can. They said your liscence plate light was out, but it really wasn't. 

3. Well if you keep reading there is a study about resisting arrest. Blacks are still more likely to have excessive force used on them.

[Meathead]

8 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

I did but a lot of it was politically motivated and skewed to paint a narrative. For instance:

partisan sources are ok as long as they are my partisans

[Thebowflexbody]

17 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

so you're not a black apologist? i thought all lives matter?

When exactly did  say anyone's life didn't matter?  You just seem to think some lives are more equal than others.

[f8ta1ity54]

On 8/1/2020 at 2:17 AM, Meathead said:

partisan sources are ok as long as they are my partisans

You believe all of these sources are partisan?

[Thebowflexbody]

6 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

You believe all of these sources are partisan?

Yep.

[Meathead]

10 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

You believe all of these sources are partisan?

no, but several of them were, and i found several critical holes in their analysis

its like that study they did in ferguson after the michael brown shooting. it was conducted by liberal blacks who came to conclusions that were clearly biased. not all studies conducted by someone from a party are automatically biased and invalid, but a lot in that report sure was

in those neighborhoods people routinely drove around with uninspected cars, or ones that had things that needed fixing to be road legal, if they were registered/insured at all. but when cops gave them tickets, that task force investigating them only highlighted the disparity with whites who got ticketed in that area at a much lower rate (probably bc they had J.O.B.S. and more respect for the rule of law)

now i realize those people are poor, but poor isnt an excuse to break the law then cry about it as automatic racism. if you want to keep your car legal, get a J.O.B. Otherwise, screaming racism when you get a ticket just makes you a punk ass bitch

the sentencing disparity has been a prime focus of the justice system for decades, and they made so much improvement that in some places they over-compensated and blacks were getting lower sentences than whites. i would provide a source but its conservative and you dont accept those

and OMFG, you mean to tell me blacks get pulled over 30% more than whites?!? given that we have blackness filling the streets with blood for over thirty years straight now, im sure good blacks that want to see it stop wont mind making that mild sacrifice to allow cops to check ids to see if they can find the guy who just held up the liquor store at gunpoint

but im not going to get into this with you bc all you want to do is talk numbers, when in fact this is more of an intellectual conversation about culture and policy and where our biggest problems lie right now. i know for sure cops shooting blacks is NOT anywhere near our biggest race problem. our biggest race problem is black violence stemming from a widespread lack of involved fathers, black victim peddling as an industry, and widespread black racism preventing reconciliation. even black folks will agree that as a pcent of population blacks are more racist than whites right now, and thats very damaging right now

we still have some things to clean up related to white racist remnants, but we are so dramatically improved from where we were and making progress on cleaning up the rest of institutional racism that it indeed is very small by comparison. you can either claim this is still 1960 and  help low-character blacks spread the false meme they are automatic widespread victims while whites are automatic racists, or you can look at the obvious improvement and say you want to do your part to keep it going

 

[f8ta1ity54]

On 8/2/2020 at 6:25 PM, Meathead said:

no, but several of them were, and i found several critical holes in their analysis

its like that study they did in ferguson after the michael brown shooting. it was conducted by liberal blacks who came to conclusions that were clearly biased. not all studies conducted by someone from a party are automatically biased and invalid, but a lot in that report sure was

in those neighborhoods people routinely drove around with uninspected cars, or ones that had things that needed fixing to be road legal, if they were registered/insured at all. but when cops gave them tickets, that task force investigating them only highlighted the disparity with whites who got ticketed in that area at a much lower rate (probably bc they had J.O.B.S. and more respect for the rule of law)

now i realize those people are poor, but poor isnt an excuse to break the law then cry about it as automatic racism. if you want to keep your car legal, get a J.O.B. Otherwise, screaming racism when you get a ticket just makes you a punk ass bitch

the sentencing disparity has been a prime focus of the justice system for decades, and they made so much improvement that in some places they over-compensated and blacks were getting lower sentences than whites. i would provide a source but its conservative and you dont accept those

and OMFG, you mean to tell me blacks get pulled over 30% more than whites?!? given that we have blackness filling the streets with blood for over thirty years straight now, im sure good blacks that want to see it stop wont mind making that mild sacrifice to allow cops to check ids to see if they can find the guy who just held up the liquor store at gunpoint

but im not going to get into this with you bc all you want to do is talk numbers, when in fact this is more of an intellectual conversation about culture and policy and where our biggest problems lie right now. i know for sure cops shooting blacks is NOT anywhere near our biggest race problem. our biggest race problem is black violence stemming from a widespread lack of involved fathers, black victim peddling as an industry, and widespread black racism preventing reconciliation. even black folks will agree that as a pcent of population blacks are more racist than whites right now, and thats very damaging right now

we still have some things to clean up related to white racist remnants, but we are so dramatically improved from where we were and making progress on cleaning up the rest of institutional racism that it indeed is very small by comparison. you can either claim this is still 1960 and  help low-character blacks spread the false meme they are automatic widespread victims while whites are automatic racists, or you can look at the obvious improvement and say you want to do your part to keep it going

 

no, but several of them were, and i found several critical holes in their analysis

Which ones? What are there flaws in what I provided?

its like that study they did in ferguson after the michael brown shooting. it was conducted by liberal blacks who came to conclusions that were clearly biased. not all studies conducted by someone from a party are automatically biased and invalid, but a lot in that report sure was

I see you are challenging a study i didnt cite. Interesting. 

in those neighborhoods people routinely drove around with uninspected cars, or ones that had things that needed fixing to be road legal, if they were registered/insured at all. but when cops gave them tickets, that task force investigating them only highlighted the disparity with whites who got ticketed in that area at a much lower rate (probably bc they had J.O.B.S. and more respect for the rule of law)

I have no clue what you are talking about? Was it supported by  academia?

now i realize those people are poor, but poor isnt an excuse to break the law then cry about it as automatic racism. if you want to keep your car legal, get a J.O.B. Otherwise, screaming racism when you get a ticket just makes you a punk ass bitch

Um ok. Your ramblings are very insightful. They really get the the crux of the matter.

the sentencing disparity has been a prime focus of the justice system for decades, and they made so much improvement that in some places they over-compensated and blacks were getting lower sentences than whites. 

Interesting. Is this now the systemic over sentencing of whites? 

i would provide a source but its conservative and you dont accept those

I dont care where its from if its academically accredited. Cite it please.

and OMFG, you mean to tell me blacks get pulled over 30% more than whites?!? given that we have blackness filling the streets with blood for over thirty years straight now, im sure good blacks that want to see it stop wont mind making that mild sacrifice to allow cops to check ids to see if they can find the guy who just held up the liquor store at gunpoint

Cool let's allow racial profiling to persist. I'm sure the good blacks would just give up their 4th amendment rights entirely.

but im not going to get into this with you bc all you want to do is talk numbers,

I know, you have a problem when I back up my arguments with data points.

 when in fact this is more of an intellectual conversation about culture and policy and where our biggest problems lie right now.

Where does culture come from? How do we change it. We talk about culture changes in sports all the time. How is that changed?

 i know for sure cops shooting blacks is NOT anywhere near our biggest race problem. 

 Nope. Its the result of our biggest problems.

our biggest race problem is black violence stemming from a widespread lack of involved fathers, black victim peddling as an industry, and widespread black racism preventing reconciliation. even black folks will agree that as a pcent of population blacks are more racist than whites right now, and thats very damaging right now

Sounds like culture again. How do we fix it? More cops? More laws? Lol could you cite that number of blacks being racist. Im curious. 

we still have some things to clean up related to white racist remnants, 

Which is what I advocate for, but I feel you underestimate it and turn a blind eye to it.

but we are so dramatically improved from where we were and making progress on cleaning up the rest of institutional racism that it indeed is very small by comparison.

The BLM movement proves otherwise. These protests rival 60s civil rights movement. They obviously feel differently.

 you can either claim this is still 1960 and  help low-character blacks spread the false meme they are automatic widespread victims while whites are automatic racists, 

I never said whites are automatically racist. They benefit from a racially biased system. Two very different things, actually.

or you can look at the obvious improvement and say you want to do your part to keep it going

I am. You are ironically doing the opposite of what you preach.
 

 

[Thebowflexbody]

Boring.............................

[Meathead]

On 8/5/2020 at 2:32 PM, f8ta1ity54 said:

The BLM movement proves otherwise. These protests rival 60s civil rights movement. They obviously feel differently.

omfg

you are so radically misinformed its astonishing you can tie your shoes. that assertion is just grossly factually incorrect

have you not noticed the rapidly rising tide of black people coming out in opposition to BLM, stating in no uncertain terms that they do not represent them and are counter-productive to achieving reconciliation? BLM in its current form will be irrelevant soon. the only way they stick around is to take on new leadership and rebrand themselves bc black people with brains see through their charade and are rejecting them in rapidly increasing numbers. your ignorance on this reality is staggering

you have demolished your own credibility with a statement that inane. you are a poster child of neo-racism and you are severely hurting the very cause you claim to support

but will you do anything to educate yourself on the realities? hell no. you prefer to remain willfully ignorant, promoting statements that have been emphatically demonstrated to be absolutely false

im not wasting any more time with you. you are the sack of left wing liberalism, living in a self-created world of delusion. ive got better things to do than try to educate an irresponsibly ignorant believer in fairy tales

[SackMan518]

 

[Thebowflexbody]

Fuck BLM

[f8ta1ity54]

3 hours ago, Meathead said:

omfg

you are so radically misinformed its astonishing you can tie your shoes. that assertion is just grossly factually incorrect

Here is an article from the New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html

I’ll save you a click:

“The recent Black Lives Matter protests peaked on June 6, when half a million people turned out in nearly 550 places across the United States. That was a single day in more than a month of protests that still continue to today.

 

Four recent polls — including one released this week by Civis Analytics, a data science firm that works with businesses and Democratic campaigns — suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of George Floyd and others in recent weeks.

 

These figures would make the recent protests the largest movement in the country’s history, according to interviews with scholars and crowd-counting experts.

 

Number of people in U.S. who said they protested, according to polls

 

Poll	Pct. who protested	Implied population	Polling period
Kaiser Family Foundation (n = 1296)	10%	26 million	June 8-14
Civis Analytics (4446)	9%	23 million	June 12-22
N.O.R.C. (1310)	7%	18 million	June 11-15
Pew (9654)	6%	15 million	June 4-10

Note: Surveys are of the adult population in the United States

 

“I’ve never seen self-reports of protest participation that high for a specific issue over such a short period,” said Neal Caren, associate professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, who studies social movements in the United States.

 

While it’s possible that more people said they protested than actually did, even if only half told the truth, the surveys suggest more than seven million people participated in recent demonstrations.

 

The Women’s March of 2017 had a turnout of about three million to five million people on a single day, but that was a highly organized event. Collectively, the recent Black Lives Matter protests — more organic in nature — appear to have far surpassed those numbers, according to polls.

 

“Really, it’s hard to overstate the scale of this movement,” said Deva Woodly, an associate professor of politics at the New School.

 

Professor Woodly said that the civil rights marches in the 1960s were considerably smaller in number. “If we added up all those protests during that period, we’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people, but not millions,” she said.

 

Even protests to unseat government leadership or for independence typically succeed when they involve 3.5 percent of the population at their peak, according to a review of international protests by Erica Chenoweth, a professor at Harvard Kennedy School who co-directs the Crowd Counting Consortium, which collects data on crowd sizes of political protests.

 

Why this movement is different

 

Precise turnout at protests is difficult to count and has led to some famous disputes. An amalgam of estimates from organizers, the police and local news reports often make up the official total.

 

But tallies by teams of crowd counters are revealing numbers of extraordinary scale. On June 6, for example, at least 50,000 people turned out in Philadelphia, 20,000 in Chicago’s Union Park and up to 10,000 on the Golden Gate Bridge, according to estimates by Edwin Chow, an associate professor at Texas State University, and researchers at the Crowd Counting Consortium.

 

Across the United States, there have been more than 4,700 demonstrations, or an average of 140 per day, since the first protests began in Minneapolis on May 26, according to a Times analysis. Turnout has ranged from dozens to tens of thousands in about 2,500 small towns and large cities.

 

 

 

“The geographic spread of protest is a really important characteristic and helps signal the depth and breadth of a movement’s support,” said Kenneth Andrews, a sociology professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

 

One of the reasons there have been protests in so many places in the United States is the backing of organizations like Black Lives Matter. While the group isn’t necessarily directing each protest, it provides materials, guidance and a framework for new activists, Professor Woodly said. Those activists are taking to social media to quickly share protest details to a wide audience.

 

Black Lives Matter has been around since 2013, but there’s been a big shift in public opinion about the movement as well as broader support for recent protests. A deluge of public support from organizations like the N.F.L. and NASCAR for Black Lives Matter may have also encouraged supporters who typically would sit on the sidelines to get involved.

 

The protests may also be benefitting from a country that is more conditioned to protesting. The adversarial stance that the Trump administration has taken on issues like guns, climate change and immigration has led to more protests than under any other presidency since the Cold War.

 

According to a poll from The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, one in five Americans said that they had participated in a protest since the start of the Trump administration, and 19 percent said they were new to protesting.

 

Who is protesting

 

More than 40 percent of counties in the United States — at least 1,360 — have had a protest. Unlike with past Black Lives Matter protests, nearly 95 percent of counties that had a protest recently are majority white, and nearly three-quarters of the counties are more than 75 percent white.

 

“Without gainsaying the reality and significance of generalized white support for the movement in the early 1960s, the number of whites who were active in a sustained way in the struggle were comparatively few, and certainly nothing like the percentages we have seen taking part in recent weeks,” said Douglas McAdam, an emeritus professor at Stanford University who studies social movements.

 

According to the Civis Analytics poll, the movement appears to have attracted protesters who are younger and wealthier. The age group with the largest share of protesters was people under 35 and the income group with the largest share of protesters was those earning more than $150,000.

 

Half of those who said they protested said that this was their first time getting involved with a form of activism or demonstration. A majority said that they watched a video of police violence toward protesters or the Black community within the last year. And of those people, half said that it made them more supportive of the Black Lives Matter movement.

 

The protests are colliding with another watershed moment: the country’s most devastating pandemic in modern history.

 

“With being home and not being able to do as much, that might be amplifying something that is already sort of critical, something that’s already a powerful catalyst, and that is the video,” said Daniel Q. Gillion, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania who has written several books on protests and politics.

 

“If you aren’t moved by the George Floyd video, you have nothing in you,” he said. “And that catalyst can now be amplified by the fact that individuals probably have more time to engage in protest activity.”

 

Besides the spike in demonstrations on Juneteeth, the number of protests has fallen considerably over the last two weeks according to the Crowd Counting Consortium.

 

But the amount of change that the protests have been able to produce in such a short period of time is significant. In Minneapolis, the City Council pledged to dismantle its police department. In New York, lawmakers repealed a law that kept police disciplinary records secret. Cities and states across the country passed new laws banning chokeholds. Mississippi lawmakers voted to retire their state flag, which prominently includes a Confederate battle emblem.

 

“It looks, for all the world, like these protests are achieving what very few do: setting in motion a period of significant, sustained, and widespread social, political change,” Professor McAdam said. “We appear to be experiencing a social change tipping point — that is as rare in society as it is potentially consequential.”

 

 

 

Damn. That killed your argument. Unless, your next point is that the NYT is a libcuck commie/marxist propaganda factory. Then I'd say this is probably just a waste of time. Which I'm sure it is anyway.

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have you not noticed the rapidly rising tide of black people coming out in opposition to BLM, stating in no uncertain terms that they do not represent them and are counter-productive to achieving reconciliation? BLM in its current form will be irrelevant soon. the only way they stick around is to take on new leadership and rebrand themselves bc black people with brains see through their charade and are rejecting them in rapidly increasing numbers. your ignorance on this reality is staggering

Public opinion of BLM has DRAMATICALLY changed. You would know this if you didn't get all of your information in regards to race relations from right wing echo chambers.

https://thehill.com/policy/508254-americans-largely-support-black-lives-matters-but-dont-back-removal-of-monuments-poll

"Overall, 63 percent said they support the Black Lives Matter movement, including 92 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents. However, 68 percent of Republicans opposed the movement. Forty-six percent of respondents overall said they “strongly” support the movement.The poll found support particularly strong among Black Americans, more than 90 percent of whom support the movement and more than 82 percent of whom strongly back it."

But again, you love those anecdotal arguments!

You basically just said "I saw some black people on youtube in my echo chamber that dont like BLM! Therefore that must be public opinion!"

Clearly the polling data says you're wrong. again.

 

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you have demolished your own credibility with a statement that inane. you are a poster child of neo-racism and you are severely hurting the very cause you claim to support

but will you do anything to educate yourself on the realities? hell no. you prefer to remain willfully ignorant, promoting statements that have been emphatically demonstrated to be absolutely false

im not wasting any more time with you. you are the sack of left wing liberalism, living in a self-created world of delusion. ive got better things to do than try to educate an irresponsibly ignorant believer in fairy tales

Well this is hilarious now! I just demolished your arguments again. With data. LOL

I put the ironic part in bold for you and everyone else see how stupid you are.

 

 

[f8ta1ity54]

Look!! I found who @Meathead did all of his years of extensive research on race relations with!

Clayton Bigsby!!

[Meathead]

so now hes trying to use the "most people" argument to prove hes right

in his desperation due to his failure to win the intellectual argument, he picked the absolute worst standard you can use to demonstrate validity - the fact that "most people" believe something

most people used to believe that blacks were genetically inferior to whites

most people used to believe that women didnt have the mental capacity to shoulder the burden of choosing a voting candidate

most people used to believe that it was ok not to put enough lifeboats on a luxury cruise liner to accommodate all the passengers

most people used to believe that putting a canopy underneath a blimp filled with flammable gas was safe

and now, f8 is using the most people argument to try to show that the intentions of race baiting victim peddling shysters who dont give a fuck about black lives unless they are killed by police have a fucking thing to do with civil rights or black lives simply because a lot of people showed up or expressed support in a poll

if he tries to sell you a ticket on a roller coaster with no restraint bars, id advise you to NOT buy one

these are the tactics of a fool. use him as an example of exactly the opposite way you should frame a cogent and rational argument

[f8ta1ity54]

24 minutes ago, Meathead said:

so now hes trying to use the "most people" argument to prove hes right

in his desperation due to his failure to win the intellectual argument, he picked the absolute worst standard you can use to demonstrate validity - the fact that "most people" believe something

most people used to believe that blacks were genetically inferior to whites

most people used to believe that women didnt have the mental capacity to shoulder the burden of choosing a voting candidate

most people used to believe that it was ok not to put enough lifeboats on a luxury cruise liner to accommodate all the passengers

most people used to believe that putting a canopy underneath a blimp filled with flammable gas was safe

and now, f8 is using the most people argument to try to show that the intentions of race baiting victim peddling shysters who dont give a fuck about black lives unless they are killed by police have a fucking thing to do with civil rights or black lives simply because a lot of people showed up

if he tries to sell you a ticket on a roller coaster with no restraint bars, id advise you to NOT buy one

these are the tactics of a fool. use him as an example of exactly the opposite way you should frame a cogent and rational argument

LoL wow this is the direction you want to go? Let's recap. This is basically what just happened..

I made an assertion that the BLM movement rivals the size of the 60s civil rights movement.

You said I'm misinformed.

I cited the polls and the academics who study these things. They agree with me.

You say blacks are moving away from BLM.

Then I showed you most (90%) blacks and the majority of Americans agree with the BLM movement.

Now you accuse me of argumentum ad populum? What a pathetic hill to die on man. You are objectively and verifiably wrong. You can't have it both ways. Don't bring up numbers if you have absolutely no clue what your talking about...but that hasn't stopped you before.

The rest of this post is you just incoherently rambling.

Wow. If anyone was on the fence about down dumb you are, they've certainly picked a side now.

 

[Thebowflexbody]

14 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Here is an article from the New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html

I’ll save you a click:

“The recent Black Lives Matter protests peaked on June 6, when half a million people turned out in nearly 550 places across the United States. That was a single day in more than a month of protests that still continue to today.

Four recent polls — including one released this week by Civis Analytics, a data science firm that works with businesses and Democratic campaigns — suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of George Floyd and others in recent weeks.

These figures would make the recent protests the largest movement in the country’s history, according to interviews with scholars and crowd-counting experts.

Number of people in U.S. who said they protested, according to polls

Poll	Pct. who protested	Implied population	Polling period
Kaiser Family Foundation (n = 1296)	10%	26 million	June 8-14
Civis Analytics (4446)	9%	23 million	June 12-22
N.O.R.C. (1310)	7%	18 million	June 11-15
Pew (9654)	6%	15 million	June 4-10

Note: Surveys are of the adult population in the United States

“I’ve never seen self-reports of protest participation that high for a specific issue over such a short period,” said Neal Caren, associate professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, who studies social movements in the United States.

While it’s possible that more people said they protested than actually did, even if only half told the truth, the surveys suggest more than seven million people participated in recent demonstrations.

The Women’s March of 2017 had a turnout of about three million to five million people on a single day, but that was a highly organized event. Collectively, the recent Black Lives Matter protests — more organic in nature — appear to have far surpassed those numbers, according to polls.

“Really, it’s hard to overstate the scale of this movement,” said Deva Woodly, an associate professor of politics at the New School.

Professor Woodly said that the civil rights marches in the 1960s were considerably smaller in number. “If we added up all those protests during that period, we’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people, but not millions,” she said.

Even protests to unseat government leadership or for independence typically succeed when they involve 3.5 percent of the population at their peak, according to a review of international protests by Erica Chenoweth, a professor at Harvard Kennedy School who co-directs the Crowd Counting Consortium, which collects data on crowd sizes of political protests.

Why this movement is different

Precise turnout at protests is difficult to count and has led to some famous disputes. An amalgam of estimates from organizers, the police and local news reports often make up the official total.

But tallies by teams of crowd counters are revealing numbers of extraordinary scale. On June 6, for example, at least 50,000 people turned out in Philadelphia, 20,000 in Chicago’s Union Park and up to 10,000 on the Golden Gate Bridge, according to estimates by Edwin Chow, an associate professor at Texas State University, and researchers at the Crowd Counting Consortium.

Across the United States, there have been more than 4,700 demonstrations, or an average of 140 per day, since the first protests began in Minneapolis on May 26, according to a Times analysis. Turnout has ranged from dozens to tens of thousands in about 2,500 small towns and large cities.

 

“The geographic spread of protest is a really important characteristic and helps signal the depth and breadth of a movement’s support,” said Kenneth Andrews, a sociology professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

One of the reasons there have been protests in so many places in the United States is the backing of organizations like Black Lives Matter. While the group isn’t necessarily directing each protest, it provides materials, guidance and a framework for new activists, Professor Woodly said. Those activists are taking to social media to quickly share protest details to a wide audience.

Black Lives Matter has been around since 2013, but there’s been a big shift in public opinion about the movement as well as broader support for recent protests. A deluge of public support from organizations like the N.F.L. and NASCAR for Black Lives Matter may have also encouraged supporters who typically would sit on the sidelines to get involved.

The protests may also be benefitting from a country that is more conditioned to protesting. The adversarial stance that the Trump administration has taken on issues like guns, climate change and immigration has led to more protests than under any other presidency since the Cold War.

According to a poll from The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, one in five Americans said that they had participated in a protest since the start of the Trump administration, and 19 percent said they were new to protesting.

Who is protesting

More than 40 percent of counties in the United States — at least 1,360 — have had a protest. Unlike with past Black Lives Matter protests, nearly 95 percent of counties that had a protest recently are majority white, and nearly three-quarters of the counties are more than 75 percent white.

“Without gainsaying the reality and significance of generalized white support for the movement in the early 1960s, the number of whites who were active in a sustained way in the struggle were comparatively few, and certainly nothing like the percentages we have seen taking part in recent weeks,” said Douglas McAdam, an emeritus professor at Stanford University who studies social movements.

According to the Civis Analytics poll, the movement appears to have attracted protesters who are younger and wealthier. The age group with the largest share of protesters was people under 35 and the income group with the largest share of protesters was those earning more than $150,000.

Half of those who said they protested said that this was their first time getting involved with a form of activism or demonstration. A majority said that they watched a video of police violence toward protesters or the Black community within the last year. And of those people, half said that it made them more supportive of the Black Lives Matter movement.

The protests are colliding with another watershed moment: the country’s most devastating pandemic in modern history.

“With being home and not being able to do as much, that might be amplifying something that is already sort of critical, something that’s already a powerful catalyst, and that is the video,” said Daniel Q. Gillion, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania who has written several books on protests and politics.

“If you aren’t moved by the George Floyd video, you have nothing in you,” he said. “And that catalyst can now be amplified by the fact that individuals probably have more time to engage in protest activity.”

Besides the spike in demonstrations on Juneteeth, the number of protests has fallen considerably over the last two weeks according to the Crowd Counting Consortium.

But the amount of change that the protests have been able to produce in such a short period of time is significant. In Minneapolis, the City Council pledged to dismantle its police department. In New York, lawmakers repealed a law that kept police disciplinary records secret. Cities and states across the country passed new laws banning chokeholds. Mississippi lawmakers voted to retire their state flag, which prominently includes a Confederate battle emblem.

“It looks, for all the world, like these protests are achieving what very few do: setting in motion a period of significant, sustained, and widespread social, political change,” Professor McAdam said. “We appear to be experiencing a social change tipping point — that is as rare in society as it is potentially consequential.”

Damn. That killed your argument. Unless, your next point is that the NYT is a libcuck commie/marxist propaganda factory. Then I'd say this is probably just a waste of time. Which I'm sure it is anyway.

Public opinion of BLM has DRAMATICALLY changed. You would know this if you didn't get all of your information in regards to race relations from right wing echo chambers.

https://thehill.com/policy/508254-americans-largely-support-black-lives-matters-but-dont-back-removal-of-monuments-poll

"Overall, 63 percent said they support the Black Lives Matter movement, including 92 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of independents. However, 68 percent of Republicans opposed the movement. Forty-six percent of respondents overall said they “strongly” support the movement.The poll found support particularly strong among Black Americans, more than 90 percent of whom support the movement and more than 82 percent of whom strongly back it."

But again, you love those anecdotal arguments!

You basically just said "I saw some black people on youtube in my echo chamber that dont like BLM! Therefore that must be public opinion!"

Clearly the polling data says you're wrong. again.

Well this is hilarious now! I just demolished your arguments again. With data. LOL

I put the ironic part in bold for you and everyone else see how stupid you are.

New York Times, huh?  I will totally disregard right there.

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10 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

LoL wow this is the direction you want to go? Let's recap. This is basically what just happened..

I made an assertion that the BLM movement rivals the size of the 60s civil rights movement.

You said I'm misinformed.

I cited the polls and the academics who study these things. They agree with me.

You say blacks are moving away from BLM.

Then I showed you most (90%) blacks and the majority of Americans agree with the BLM movement.

Now you accuse me of argumentum ad populum? What a pathetic hill to die on man. You are objectively and verifiably wrong. You can't have it both ways. Don't bring up numbers if you have absolutely no clue what your talking about...but that hasn't stopped you before.

The rest of this post is you just incoherently rambling.

Wow. If anyone was on the fence about down dumb you are, they've certainly picked a side now.

Geez, guy.  You're almost as dumb as HipKat.  If you think the majority of Americans agree with the shitty BLM movement, you are out of your cotton picking mind.