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LiterateStylish last won the day on October 19

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  1. There really should be a study done on old folks and their gullibility to YouTube videos.
  2. Use your brain, Hip. The COMBINED gdp of every EU nation in existence, is still only about half of the US. And the combined population of all EU nations is about 60 million more than the US. The EU is larger than the US, but has an economy of about half of the US. Period.
  3. It’s already sold. It’ll flip on Jan 1st. And yeah, unions causing bankruptcies have happened for decades. Including right in our own backyard. My grandfather was a worker for Bethleheem steel. Here is but a fraction of the companies decimated by high union demands: Bethlehem Steel: Struggled with high costs for worker contracts and pensions, due to union pressure. This was famous in Buffalo. The union destroyed the company. Hawker Beechcraft: The union machinist voted against a new seven-year contract that would have included a 10% pay cut and higher worker health insurance contributions DESPITE the Union leadership recommending that its rank and file accept the company's offer rather than risk losing their jobs, but a majority of the union workers voted against the contract. The company then went bankrupt. Eastern Airlines: Filed for bankruptcy in 1989 due to disputes and a strike with workers. Most workers didn’t understand that there is little profit margin in the airline industry. Delphi Corporation: The union forced such insanely cost prohibitive pensions that the government had to literally sue to cancel them because the company was being put out of business and they were a major parts supplier that the auto economy needed. US Steel: Struggled in the 1980s due to a very strong union that bullied the company into rates that were unsustainable. Had to go bankrupt. YRC Worldwide: High costs from contracts with the Teamsters Union pushed them to the brink of bankruptcy. Thankfully in this case, the union realized they bit off more than the company could chew and actually relented and backtracked on their contractual demands so it didn’t put them out of business. Patriot Coal: Filed for bankruptcy in 2012 due to exorbitant pension and healthcare costs for workers due to the union. There are hundreds more examples, too.
  4. This often happens because the unions demands are so absurd that meeting these demands would bankrupt the company. Literally. This isn’t theory. It’s happened. Companies often have two choices: Look elsewhere or close.
  5. Like usual, your argument is escalating into extremes. While I understand your passion for workers' rights, it's important to consider that effective labor relations require balance. Unions certainly have the right to strike. Its an important tool to make sure workers are able to negotiate better conditions and pay. However, completely banning the use of scabs would create an imbalance. If businesses are unable to operate at all during a strike, it can lead to severe economic consequences, not just for the company, but for the employees as well. Companies could face irreparable harm or even go bankrupt, leading to job losses. Some people (and maybe you) would respond "well just give the workers what they want and the business will re-open", but that ignores the fact that many unions ask for extreme and unreasonable conditions. Terms that would literally bankrupt a business. Remember, the goal of a strike is to reach a better agreement, not to shut down the business permanently. By banning scabs, all power goes to workers, and there is no negotiation. The employers become the boss and get to dictate exactly what happens. Also, characterizing all scabs as "incompetent" and "against their own interests" is ridiculously shallow. Many people take these roles out of necessity, often due to their own financial pressures. They're not necessarily against unions; they're just trying to make a living.
  6. Unions are fine. I support them. But I also support an employers right to use scabs and negotiate with the union. Banning scabs is a terrible precedent that sides with one party only.
  7. I love that the source for all of Shiva and Hero’s claims are random YouTube videos lol
  8. so you just want to bring believers down a notch?
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