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There is no bigger failure than yesterday. Please stop defending this coach, and this DC. With a defense filled with top draft picks and FA's vs a team starting 3 !!!. ... back up linemen they were abused. No pressure on the QB and gashed all day on the ground. This was the end for our philosophy. Its over. It failed. Time to switch to something else or at the very least change the guy in charge (Frazier) I don't understand how someone can look at yesterday's game and not think that change is needed.7 points
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Sorry Roger, but you don't run out of gas in the playoffs, with a chance to go the Super bowl. This team is soft. They were punched in the mouth, punched in the mouth again, and again, and they had no answers. At what point, does the Frasier led defense begin punching back? I honestly think this team does as well as it does, despite the coaching staff. And I'm not one who usually points fingers at the coaching staff. That all changed this year.6 points
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McDermott M Sean. Please resign. Please. I'm thankful for what you did for this team. I really am. You got us out of the purgatory. Out of hell. For that you will forever be remembered as one of us. Guaranteed. But its time for you to move on. Your coaching is not Super Bowl worthy. Your endless devotion to an old washed up DC is hurting this team. Your in game management is laughable. Not to say something worse. Right now you are hurting this team. We found our QB. The toughest thing to do. We need him paired up with an offensive minded coach. Please resign because I know Terry and Kim won't fire you. Team was unprepared, outcoached form the first second of the game. The same pussy nickel zone they have played the last 4 years that everyone with a decent QB knows how to beat. No adjustments. Nothing. He has to go. I have zero confidence in him left. I'm sure some players feel the same way Frazier A Leslie. Fuck you. Have some decency and quit. You have donemore damage to this team than you'll ever know. You are too old for this game sir. GTFO Dorsey. No answers, no nothing. Stale offense. How did the interview go on Saturday Ken? I'm ok with him having another go. He was a noob. But on a short leash and with more weapons. If he's canned though I will not shed ONE tear. DL. All that money and draft capital for what? That was the final coffin on the McD and Beane way of life. It has to end. It fucking has to. Fuck the DLine. Draft offense and just outscore. They had a bunch of no name street FA and we couldn't do shit on them. They ran all over us and Burrow left the game untouched. Massive failure Secondary. I mean its more Frazier than anything but that soft zone they play is garbage vs the real QB's. The wide openness of their receivers was something to behold. OL. Bums. Losers. Fuck them all Allen. I know you tried man. I know you are surrounded by bums (sans Diggs) but that was awful bro. You need to clean up on the turnovers Josh. You led the league IIRC. No bueno. Playoff Gabe. Bum. Useless. Drop extraordinaire. Run game. Both Cook and Motor were as usual non shows. Glad Motor us out of here. Lets hope Cook can develop. Beane. Kinda goes hand in hand with McD. He has allowed or even encouraged this strategy of going all in on D while not paying as much attention to the offense. Not to mention that some of our latest picks have not been good to say the least. We went from thinking SB to actually regressing. Think about it. AFC Championship game, to nearly beating KC in the divisional to getting abused in the divisional round. We thought we were only chasing KC and it turns out we are chasing them AND Cincy all along. Last year was our year man. Fucking McD and Frazier. They'll never live that down. Refs. I know we got cleaned. But as I told some on the shoutbox, Cheffers is garbage. They got flagged what? Once I think. To our 8-10. With a OL filled with sub par players? Riiight. Balls Maybe Knox or Milano. That's it Our very own Sean. He goes overboard at times. But he's been right all along. This roster construction strategy was good to get us out of the hump. But now that we have the QB, and he's one of the very best we need to switch to a QB centered strategy. Enough of the D heavy drafting and FA signing. It failed. Massively. Time for a switch or Allen will just be Phillip Rivers 2.05 points
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McDermott needs to shut the fuck up. That was his team that barely (possibly not even barely) showed up yesterday. It's his, and his coaches jobs to make sure they are ready to play, and to put in a good performance. He failed ... again. When you decide to put all these games in your QB's hands, then you better make sure he has all the parts he needs to be successful. Maybe Buffalo isn't supposed to win. Maybe Buffalo just isn't glamorous enough. Maybe this is just some sick joke, that everyone but the fans are in on. How else do you explain the Bill's looking like some minor league outfit from Saskatoon, when they absolutely needed to look like an NFL team? Yesterday, 13 seconds, the Houston debacle? there have been plenty of others. I mean do NFL teams with 13-3 records actually look like that, while playing at home, in the most important game of their lives? I don't think so. And what does that say about the coach, and his staff? Yesterday, they looked like a heavyweight fighter who agreed to take a dive.5 points
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Listening to WGR this morning and hearing people GO OFF about the offenses lack of weapons…how they should of signed and drafted more weapons for Allen. People going off on how the remaining teams built their teams around their qb. oh you mean the thing I was screaming for the Bills to do since drafting Josh Allen!??!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK And let Cincy teach you something….when you have weapons…YOU CAN PLUG SCRUBS INTO THE OL AND IT DIDNT FUCKING MATTER4 points
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I don't know if they can be fixed in one offseason. They have to improve the lines on both sides of the ball. They need another weapon or two (WR) to go along with Diggs. Davis can be a solid #3/4 WR. Dorsey and Frazier have to go. For OC I would look to bring in Frank Reich.4 points
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It doesn't. They should be building this team to make Buffalo the last place anybody wants to play in not just January, but the winter month's. Not being able to run the ball, or just refusing to do so, is on the coaches. They looked like shit on both sides of the ball, because they weren't ready to play period. Again, on the coaches. Hopefully Frasier retires, and Dorsey gets that head coaching gig in Carolina ( )4 points
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Spot on and I'll add, the Nickel/Soft Zone is NOT a defense you play against top-flight Wide-outs. It's a defense designed to allow short passes for short gains, but guys like Chase have too much speed for containment. The FEW times they played man, they actually covered well. Since Frazier has kept Buffalo's D highly rated, he has this illusion that he's a good DC, but his refusal to make adjustments to the opponent in game and pre-game are enough. He has to go. Dorsey is WAY out of his league. And they both need to be replaced with competent, creative coordinators that understand the game and their players strengths, not promoting positional coaches. And Josh needs to spend the entire off-season with Jordan Palmer. He was VERY erratic this year. Watching Burrows and Mahomes, et al run their offenses, you can see they have confidence in the play. Allen plays frantically with most plays looking like they're run with a prayer and a dream of success. And PLEASE get us a RB that smash through tackles4 points
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Bengals also had Burrow do down his rookie year for the season, finished in the bottom and thus a really good team was able to draft a blue chip wr in Jamar Chase. Head Coach makes critical decisions, the basic play of the Defense and Offense is by the Coordinators. Bills for the most part have speed rushers on the outside and a tweaner DT in Oliver in the middle. Snow makes turf slippery and that takes away speed and skill and allows bigger slow fat guys to look like All pro linemen! Bills traded for Diggs, and picked up Beasley as well in FA....then Drafted Gabe Davis and Shakir. I don't think it is the problem...the problem is the O line is terrible. Saffold is elite run blocking, but sucks as Pass protection, Morris is really good pass protection but can get no push run blocking. Singletary is a good scat back but is the same kind of player as Cook.....Moss was also just like the other two. Hines is just like Cook. We need a big power back that with a small seam can get 5 yards a carry. Defense is built for a dome not a winter game. Not having Daquan Jones in this game and a injured Phillips kind of hurt our ability to control the line of scrimage. Thought Settle would of been more dominant up front but he got pushed around out there. Defensive Coordinator will not adjust out of the nickle. I think last year and this year was it....now I think 2023 is going to be rough especially if we lose Edmunds and Poyer. Personally I think Edmunds is a good LB to keep because he is young and versatile. However I think Poyer is on the downside with age and injuries. Tre White is not looking very good....he has become very "handsy" getting a lot of penalties. Now we have Von Miller eating up huge salary and we won't see him until around Thanksgiving next year due to ACL tear. Bills need to draft a RB that is big and runs down hill fast. Robinson seems ideal, and if we can't get Robinson the draft the O'cyrus guard and a RB in round two (Zach is also a big RB.4 points
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First off, I agree with Sean, just don't like creating multiple threads, and littering the shout-box with hot garbage that everyone can see. Now, if you're going to upgrade the offense, you need an offensive coordinator with a resume. I don't believe this team put any thought into promoting Dorsey, or hiring Daboll. They were signed way to quickly, without interviewing anybody else. That's a recipe for disaster. Both guys attached themselves to Allens waist, hoping for a bigger and better job. Now for Frasier, and his fading defense. Yeah he gets the press for his amazing defensive teams, but I just don't it. In fact, I've never really seen it. Today, Burrow took what the defense gave him, and they gave him a LOT and won the game going away. Did they come to play? Maybe, but it did it look like it? Maybe all these draft picks aren't built to play the soft pathetic schemes that he employs. Maybe they want to get after the QB. Anyway, It's time to fire Frasier, and bring in Schwartz, or anybody else. The offensive line. How do you give your QB multi-millions per year, but surround him with dollar store rejects on the OL? You get him an OL that can not only protect him, but open up the ground game, you have an offense. Until that time, when it matters most, this team with continue to crash and burn. Yeah, receivers, I know. I just think if the OL can protect Josh, and has time to throw, his receivers will have time to finish their routes. Same goes for the running game, they need to open up holes. and this OL just can't do that. So we head into another off-season hoping the Bill's will pay attention and not only fill the holes, but also bring in the right coordinators to lead them. If they stand put, expect the same results.4 points
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And the worst part is, our defensive specialist HC has seen his team give up 107 points over the last three playoff losses. We can't even count on him to shore up the one side of the ball he's supposed to be good at.3 points
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The Bills spent five years stockpiling the defense, topped it off with Von Miller and still don't have anything to show for it. People have had enough.3 points
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Maybe McDermott needs to change his motto from “Playoff caliber” to “SuperBowl Caliber”! Maybe then they can strive for that 🤣.3 points
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Bills window closed at 13 secs last year. This team is too flawed and the coaching staff got exposed yesterday. This team should be in the Superbowl two years in a row if not for McD.3 points
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He has to go. Period. Thank you for everything you did for this team. You were the right man for the gig at the time. You took us out of the longest drought ever. But you are not the man that will lead us to the ultimate goal. Its painfully obvious. Having said that there is about 0.007% chance he gets fired this year. Maybe, maybe next year if (and lets face it, when) this happens again.3 points
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"No one outside of Diggs challenged the defense" I don't subscribe to the theory of drafting a WR in the 1st round and magically the offense is going to be putting up 40 points a game no matter what, and that will take us straight to the Super Bowl. That turd of a game we laid out there against the Bengals exposed a lot of the Bills limitations. #1 Is the offensive line. The week before Josh was sacked 7 times. This week he was constantly harassed and pressured. He even had 3 passes batted down, as well as one almost fumble, but they went to review and ruled it a forward pass. Josh has the pocket collapsing on him too many times. Yes, at times he scrambles and throws a touchdown when falling out of bounds, that is not normal though. Fix the damn offensive line. Don't sign anymore at the end of their career Rodger Saffolds for $6 million dollars a year and hope the duct tape holds. Go sign a free agent like the Lions Evan Brown. Pay the man. Then draft another guard and a center. And light a fire under Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown. Dion is no Joe Thomas. He gave up a lot of pressures this year. Had a lot of penalties too. Ditto Spencer Brown. Both should be playing better. Get them tutors, if that is what it will take. Fix the offensive line, and Josh will be better. The WRs will be better. Knox will be better. The RBs will be better.3 points
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How about building a team that is built for cold weather games in Dec and Jan. Bills have the greatest home field advantage on the league and people want to piss it away with a dome.3 points
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I thought the exact same thing yesterday. Everything else is so good that the QB doesn't even seem to matter, which is insane in today's NFL. At the end of the day, the most noticeable thing about the division round was that every team other than Buffalo gives their QB time to throw in the ball. Inexcusable how few resources we've spent on o-line.3 points
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Sean's an idiot. Based on the weather in upstate NY, how do you not have a team in Buffalo, built on a tough offensive line that can protect the QB, and open up holes for the ground game? The home team should not be at a disadvantage when it is wet and snowing.3 points
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Don't be stupid. No one disagrees. Any idiot can see that we don't have a second weapon that can match these other offenses. You're not a genius for that; I consider you an idiot for wanting Beane/McDermott fired for not being perfect in everything. You can't discount that McDermott and Beane: 1) Took a 20+ year shit show that, at best, was a wild card bounce for Flutie's 2 years starting and has a winning record two other times. 2) Built the Buffalo Bills into one of the best teams in the league. 3) Made Buffalo into a destination for players; we no longer have to overpay grossly. 4) Developed a project QB into a top 5 passer. They also got it right on his character and work ethic. Beane mentioned this as a factor after we drafted him. 5) Took enough injuries this season to derail most teams. 6) Built our defense and offense to contend in the modern 21st century NFL. Now, yesterday's game was disturbing that BOTH of our lines were dominated!! A second weapon, although needed, is not the sole answer. That kind of thinking put Joe Biden in office. How's your 401K? It might be coaching, because none of these lineman were thought to be over-reaches or bad signings. Honestly, this is the one playoff game where the Bills didn't perform to expectations.3 points
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The part of being able to plug in scrubs at O line is wrong IMO. their scrubs were well coached and played well. I can’t remember a singe pressure we had. Their O line played very well. Although some of that had to do with us being scared of the pass and nickeling all day long, but we are doing anyway, no matter who we play. So that was no difference3 points
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They needed to be able to run the ball. Being able to run the ball takes a lot of pressure off the QB. You can't count on your QB throwing the ball for 300 plus yards. You need to be able to run the ball as well. An offensive line that can open up holes would have gone miles in helping Josh throw for over 200. I've talked about balance since day one. Would have been nice had they had some of that today. A waste of a season. This team should be built for the winter month's. I blame the GM and the coaches, they looked out of their element. They've had 3 years to fix this, and they've done nothing but waste high draft picks on the defensive line, to play for a defensive coordinator who can't even get mediocrity out of them. Frasier needs to retire, because this organization will not fire him. And as for Dorsey, he should never have been promoted. he wasn't ready. Again, you give your starting QB millions to be the guy, and you surround him with dollar store nonsense. They lost, because they just can't seem to put themselves in the best position to win. And that begins with the coaching staff. I'm over it, but this shit will happen each and every year until this organization gets serious about installing the right pieces to the puzzle.3 points
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Yes Sean, we know you hate they Bills and are happy they lost. Go live your pitiful miserable life.3 points
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Honestly? I think Allen is quietly pissed about the lack of resources spent on helping the offense. He’s sat back and watched first rounder after first rounder he spent on the d while the o struggles with anyone outside of him and Diggs. He’s constantly running for his life and has to take games over by himself. I think that the brown and Beasley additions were basically him crying out to Beane for help. It’s sad when you think about it.3 points
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Bullshit, trying to place blame on snow. This team isn't built for winning Championship games let alone the Superbowl.3 points
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The Bills had the #2 offense BECAUSE Allen wasn’t awful and EVERYONE was awful today. You make it sound like everyone other than Allen played good enough to win today and that’s not true. We’ve been spoiled because when Allen is on his game he hides a lot of flaws.3 points
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The only Lineman I would say is safe for next season in my book is Mitch Morse, the rest have been terrible, even Dawkins looked lousy in the playoffs3 points
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He should be fucking pissed, he had 4 catches for 35 yards in a home playoff game. I would be fucking pissed off as well. Fucking coaching staff is a joke, drafting is horrible.3 points
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If you can't play in the snow you don't belong in the NFL. Go work at Starbucks.3 points
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That's not what he said exactly. Allen missed some throws; he has a point. He also made some super human plays.2 points
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@seandelevanI was listening to WGR. I swear that some of the callers sounded like you.2 points
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I get that it was a painful and draining season. It was for us fans too. Probably have to wait till next season to get anyone fired. Me personally I am tired of McClappy. Every team in this playoff round had offensive head coaches except for us. We had a rookie OC too. Bean is equally to blame for this mess. Obvious weaknesses never addressed. A bad weather team that can't play well in bad weather. Makes sense.2 points
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McDumbass coached scared again. Punting and kicking field goals. This bald headed moronic asshole is joke.2 points
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This play happened after our "brilliant" coach and his "HC candidate" DC called a time out only to come out on the SAME soft ass pussy zone that they always play. Fuck those 22 points
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There’s zero question Josh Allen is one of the NFL’s 2-3 best players. The Buffalo Bills have ascended back to prominence precisely because Allen can play like a freak alien. One specific possession could see the superstar quarterback launch a dart down the sideline to Stefon Diggs. On the next play, he might take a QB power and bowl over a helpless defender who should have never tried to test a Human Terminator’s physicality. Then, with the chips down and a relentless pass rush hunting him, Allen will usually somehow find a man while making an impossible off-platform throw. Even with some bona fide gunslinger turnover issues, Allen is an absolute treat to watch as a player who clearly elevates his teammates. But after the Cincinnati Bengals flat-out bullied the Bills in a 27-10 divisional-round win Sunday — ending their Super Bowl 57 hopes — it’s time the powers that be in Buffalo have an honest reflection about what went wrong. At least if they want to finally bring a championship to Western New York. They simply ask Allen to do too much. None of this is to say that the Bills shouldn’t lean on their best player to make plays when they need him to. After all, the Kansas City Chiefs wouldn’t be the league’s gold standard if Patrick Mahomes wasn’t a magician. The Bengals that knocked Allen and the Bills out also probably wouldn’t be playing on their second consecutive Championship Sunday if Joe Burrow wasn’t the smoothest conductor of an offense. And the Bills wouldn’t epitomize what it means to practically and perfectly harness a beyond-chaotic approach to football if Allen himself didn’t throw caution to the wind almost every instance he touches the ball. The distinction between Allen and the Bills and his elite peers now playing for the AFC title is that their franchises understand quarterbacks still need a sturdy support beam to lean on. The Chiefs and Mahomes have Andy Reid’s play-calling as the generational offensive coach designs an impeccable scheme elevating the top traits of his red and gold talisman. The Bengals and Burrow get to implement Ja’Marr Chase and Tee Higgins — two legit WR1s comprising the premier receiving duo in football — into their playbook every week. If a modern offense has two more comfortable security blankets complementing each other, tilting the field on the same roster: I’m unaware of its existence. Do you know what Allen has in his tool belt? He’s got one legitimately consistent receiver in Diggs and a first-year offensive coordinator in Ken Dorsey, who couldn’t seem more flustered in just giving his QB “easy” plays. When Brian Daboll was at the helm of this essentially identical Buffalo attack, Allen had consistent gimmes that allowed him to establish a quality rhythm. His ease was palpable. With Dorsey acting as the offensive maestro, if a defense effectively brackets Diggs out of the game — who had a paltry four catches for 35 yards on Sunday — Allen is usually forced to make chicken salad out of chicken, well, you know. The next time someone like Gabriel Davis (836 yards in the regular season) comes through with Diggs as a non-factor might be the first. Big plays like this to Khalil Shakir were more or less the norm for the Allen-Dorsey-Diggs Bills in Year 1. Either Allen is spotless with his deliveries in inconceivable traffic, which he sometimes is (that’s why he’s so special), or the Bills’ offense is caught in No Man’s Land. There’s no in-between or grey area for the Bills, and that’s a massive fatal flaw for a squad that fancies itself a contender. The same sentiments can apply to their overzealous offensive mentality. The Bills like to profess how much they appreciate maintaining a home-run mentality. They like to say Allen should “keep on throwing” regardless of risk, irrespective of potential turnovers. Never mind that Diggs is their only reliable pass target. Never mind that the defense gets paid, too. They’ll send Diggs and his friends deep seemingly every other play because they think that’s how offensive football is won. It’s stubborn and reeks of a team incapable of looking in the mirror. Here’s how that absurd thought process worked out for Buffalo — which threw the ball FORTY-TWO times — against the Bengals, possession by possession: Three plays, nine yards, punt Three plays, five yards, punt 15 plays, 75 yards, and a touchdown (on a drive where Allen went god-mode) Seven plays, 39 yards, a punt 14 plays, 65 yards, and a field goal (another superhuman Allen possession) Three plays, eight yards, a punt Ten plays, 59 yards, turnover on downs Eight plays, 53 yards, a pressed Allen forcing a terrible gam-ending INT Does this resemble a coherent title-worthy offense? If the Bengals are dominating the trenches, does it make sense to keep going for the kill shot, subjecting Allen to eight quarterback hits? Who in their right mind thought this was a Super Bowl-worthy mix that could go all the way? Certainly, no one with any legitimate credence as to what it takes to advance to February’s Big Game. Earlier in the regular season, the greater Buffalo area liked to profess that Allen was a legitimate MVP candidate (he was). Their main argument was that Allen achieved so much for the Bills’ offense, accounting for an overwhelming percentage of their yards from scrimmage. Their assertion was valid in reference to a 4,200-yard-plus passer with over 740 touches (!) as the team’s simultaneous second-leading rusher with 762 yards (not all that far behind Devin Singletary’s 819). But putting that much responsibility on your quarterback’s plate doesn’t translate to a successful winter. It might beat the mediocre Dolphins and the Patriots of the world — the organization’s last two postseason wins. That’s to be expected. It won’t beat Burrow’s Bengals, and it definitely won’t beat Mahomes’ Chiefs. One player’s talent, no matter how bright, isn’t perpetual for all 60 minutes of every game. The margins are too thin. If the Bills want to finally get the Super Bowl monkey off their back in the years ahead, they shouldn’t necessarily dial Allen’s courage back. They should, however, make his personal brand of controlled mayhem worth the calories. Anything less and more trademark heartbreaking Bills’ postseason defeats are inevitable.2 points
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The NFL gives each team 7 draft picks. However only one is a 1st round pick. You get one gold bullet. I don't subscribe to the theory of drafting a WR in the 1st round and magically the offense is going to be putting up 40 points a game no matter what, and that will take us straight to the Super Bowl. That turd of a game we laid out there against the Bengals exposed a lot of the Bills limitations. #1 Is the offensive line. The week before Josh was sacked 7 times. This week he was constantly harassed and pressured. He even had 3 passes batted down, as well as one almost fumble, but they went to review and ruled it a forward pass. Josh has the pocket collapsing on him too many times. Yes, at times he scrambles and throws a touchdown when falling out of bounds, that is not normal though. Fix the damn offensive line. Don't sign anymore at the end of their career Rodger Saffolds for $6 million dollars a year and hope the duct tape holds. Go sign a free agent like the Lions Evan Brown. Pay the man. Then draft another guard and a center. And light a fire under Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown. Dion is no Joe Thomas. He gave up a lot of pressures this year. Had a lot of penalties too. Ditto Spencer Brown. Both should be playing better. Get them tutors, if that is what it will take. Fix the offensive line, and Josh will be better. The WRs will be better. Knox will be better. In addition, the RBs will be better. We sign Shaq Lawson, Jordan Phillips, Daquan Jones and Tim Settle in Free Agency for the Dline, but we sign Rodger Saffold and Bobby Hart for the Oline. We draft Greg Rousseau, AJ Epenesa, and Boogie Bashum in rounds 1 and 2, but we draft Jack Anderson in the 7th round? C'mon man !2 points
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They currently have two players on defense that I would describe as "tough" - Milano and Poyer. They are the protypical finesse team.2 points
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To me, it seemed as if he and Daboll just attached themselves to Allens thigh in hopes of it getting them a better job. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. But you need balance, and being able to run the ball provides that. Will they learn their lesson? Doubt it.2 points
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Losing today isn’t a shock and shouldn’t be to any logical fan. Getting embarrassed and putting that effort out is inexcusable. There needs to be MAJOR changes in the coaching staff and especially on the field. That’s the worst I’ve seen our lines play in a while. Josh didn’t have his best performance but he had absolutely no help up front for most of the game. Defense played so scared to death, it looked like Cincy was sleepwalking and taking whatever they wanted in both the run and pass game. Either we need to sell out and get Josh as many weapons as possible, or allocate $ to the offensive line. Either way, we must hit on draft picks this year as it will be Beane’s toughest task with the cap limitations. Another long offseason begins and this one, strangely, is more disappointing than last years.2 points
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I could give you 100 different reasons, a few might be correct. However, it's just easier to say that what we saw out there today was a shit show. The entire Bill's organization should be embarrassed.2 points
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Allen has been successful in spite of his OC being in over his head2 points
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As bad as we were defensively, if our offense plays anywhere close to what it was last postseason, that’s a close game2 points
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Yeah, Darryl lost football credibility in my book if he thinks this is all on Allen.2 points
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Yeah, and it wants little boys to wear dresses so that the little boy gets his ass handed to him on a daily basis by the other kids. Sound thinking there, huh???2 points