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The Vikings new stadium is exactly what the Bills need

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Maybe a little off topic, but is there any chance at all (I doubt it but I figured I'd bring it up) that there is a major renovation to the Sabres arena if a new football stadium is built, or a new hockey arena to go with it? The reason I ask is something Ted Black said about 2 years ago now (I think). He was on the radio and said that the Sabres believed that the current arena was half way though its projected lifespan, I think in the same interview on WGR he mentioned 30 years. If it opened in 1996, that puts its 'lifespan' in their eyes ending at 2026 to 2030. If a new Bills stadium is going to be built and open in the early 2020's....that is very close to the hockey arena becoming 'outdated' in the eyes of the Sabres.

 

It would be a LOT Of money to do something with both a Football stadium and a Hockey arena at the same time. But it would likely be LESS than doing a full football stadium at one point, and then 5-10 years later doing a brand new hockey arena.

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Whether they've figured it out or not, watching a football game inside a greenhouse would suck, and anyone who has ever witnessed a game inside a packed house at One Bills Drive on a crisp day when you can even smell Fall in the air and see the leaves changing from the upper deck, should know that.

 

Are there December games that require a little sacking up to sit through? Sure there are. But there are a hell of a lot lot of those than there are gorgeous Autumn Sunday afternoons. And it's certainly not worth trashing that experience for one, maybe two cold games a year.

 

Indoor. Football. Sucks balls.

 

This is that stupid old mentality.

 

"Oh sack up in December or you are a pussy and not a fan"

 

Why would anyone want to pay money to freeze. I ask myself this every year. The Ralph is built to be a frozen hellscape. I'll sit in a green house nice and comfy if I'm paying premium dollar either way.

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This is that stupid old mentality.

 

"Oh sack up in December or you are a pussy and not a fan"

 

Why would anyone want to pay money to freeze. I ask myself this every year. The Ralph is built to be a frozen hellscape. I'll sit in a green house nice and comfy if I'm paying premium dollar either way.

 

 

That's because you're a cocksucking faggot.


"Every single day I went out there I tried to have respect for the game and I played as hard as I possibly could." Derek Jeter 9/25/14

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How big would you make it? How many seats?

 

65,000.


"Every single day I went out there I tried to have respect for the game and I played as hard as I possibly could." Derek Jeter 9/25/14

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serious question, how do they keep the snow off that roof? you get a big blizzard and theres going to be a shit load of weight on that thing if it just sits there. im no engineer but i find it hard to believe they can engineer a span that large that wouldnt risk collapse with ten feet of wet snow on top of it

 

That was my exact thought, they already had a roof collapse because of snow in that city. My guess is that it would have to be heated somehow to keep it clear.

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Fuck. That. Indoor. Bullshit.

 

Soccer faggots would love it.

 

Give me Lambeau II.

 

I was going to find a more diplomatic way to say exactly what you just said. But screw it! I'm not a fan of indoor shit.


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That was my exact thought, they already had a roof collapse because of snow in that city. My guess is that it would have to be heated somehow to keep it clear.

 

Snow is no joke in Minnesota, especially when it’s thick and heavy. That will be especially true for the new Vikings stadium and the massive roof that will cover its 1.75 million square feet of seating and playing space.

 

Uponor North America, with an Apple Valley factory, has come up with a solution that involves a snow melt system that captures snow in huge basins and melts it.

 

“This is a unique project, the first of its kind at least in North America, as far as we know,” said Joe Grubesic, Uponor’s director of sales for the Midwest.

 

Vikings fans and others likely remember how snow buildup caused the former Metrodome to collapse in December 2010. The skies dropped 17 inches of snow the day before the Vikings were scheduled to play the New York Giants. Three huge fabric panels tore in the middle of the night under the stress of weight and high winds, and the Metrodome was out of commission for months.

 

The new stadium roof is pitched to allow snow to slide off, Grubesic said. It will slide into huge catch basins built along the outside perimeter of the roof to keep snow or ice from falling on pedestrians just outside the stadium.

 

The catch basins — with a total area of about 58,000 square feet — are designed to blend into the stadium’s exterior, he said, and range from 5 feet wide to 40 feet wide, depending on their location.

Uponor’s Radiant Rollout Mat

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Uponor’s Radiant Rollout Mat

 

“Functionally, it’s not a gutter, but the catch basins go all along the perimeter of the roof like a gutter does, even though it doesn’t look like one,” Grubesic said.

 

The catch basins will contain mats of embedded ¾-inch diameter plastic pipe — 70,000 feet in all — that contain a mix of water that can be heated to melt the snow, as well as glycol to prevent freezing.

 

The Helsinki, Finland-based Uponor makes the cross-linked polyethylene pipe at its Apple Valley factory, where most of the company’s 500 North American employees work. It uses the tubing in radiant floor heating, snow and ice melting, and other piping and plumbing applications in commercial and residential buildings.

 

Grubesic said the design for the new stadium — officially called the Minnesota Multi-Purpose Stadium — took into account that snow can accumulate at different depths and melt at different rates, depending on what side of the roof it falls on, wind conditions, the angle of the sun and other factors.

 

Because of that, he said, the system has six different zones that operate independently and can run for longer or shorter periods of time as needed.

 

Each zone has its own closed loop of pipe. A boiler heats the water and circulates it through each system, Grubesic said.

 

“Instead of allowing the snow to accumulate and then melting it, snow melt systems are typically turned on ahead of projected snowfalls, so that as the snow is falling, it’s not necessarily accumulating at all on the roof of the stadium,” he said.

 

The resulting water is collected by multiple drains located within each basin, he said.

 

Besides manufacturing the pipe, Uponor’s design services department collaborated on the snow melt system with St. Paul-based Harris Mechanical, the stadium project’s mechanical contractor. Harris will install the system.

 

Uponor has also contributed snow melting products to NFL open-air stadiums in Chicago and, most recently, at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wis.

 

However, in those cases, pipes were installed under the playing fields as part of turf conditioning projects.

 

“It’s the same concept — running hot water through pipes — in those cases to keep the playing surface dry and free of snow and moisture,” Grubesic said.

 

The Vikings project is unusual because the system is elevated, he said, with catch basins 100 to 125 feet above ground.

 

He said the snow melt system components will be delivered to the stadium site at the end of this month and installation will begin shortly thereafter.

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