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48 minutes ago, FanBack said:

You agree with me.  Government edicts cannot bring it here any faster. 

Nor will ignoring and resisting advancing technologies.


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

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22 minutes ago, pkschul said:

Just making an educated guess here but I’d say 90+% of day to day trips all day every day fall well under the range capacity of most e-cars. Obviously there are roadblocks and certainly things that can’t yet be accomplished with them but if you think this is just a fad then you are out of touch with reality. As was mentioned plug in hybrid electrics can and will bridge that gap. Battery technology innovation is HOT in patents right now. If automobile companies are not fully invested in e-cars then they are going to be out of the market entirely in 20 years or likely much less than that.

I encourage you to go look at a Ford F-150 Lightning. Super impressive. It will power your house during a blackout.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.luxresearchinc.com/blog/patent-trends-batteries-for-electric-vehicles%3Fhs_amp%3Dtrue

We've determined that he is out of touch with reality a long time ago.


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26 minutes ago, pkschul said:

Just making an educated guess here but I’d say 90+% of day to day trips all day every day fall well under the range capacity of most e-cars. Obviously there are roadblocks and certainly things that can’t yet be accomplished with them but if you think this is just a fad then you are out of touch with reality. As was mentioned plug in hybrid electrics can and will bridge that gap. Battery technology innovation is HOT in patents right now. If automobile companies are not fully invested in e-cars then they are going to be out of the market entirely in 20 years or likely much less than that.

I encourage you to go look at a Ford F-150 Lightning. Super impressive. It will power your house during a blackout.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.luxresearchinc.com/blog/patent-trends-batteries-for-electric-vehicles%3Fhs_amp%3Dtrue

Your first sentence once again proves my point.   I make a great case: you've pigeonholed me based upon my political beliefs..  Bigot.

BTW, I'm an EE.

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And although I own a Camaro, I'm a Ford guy, too.

Almost bought a Mustang last year.   Couldn't find a red one (fire engine red).

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11 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Nor will ignoring and resisting advancing technologies.

But ignoring and resisting government edicts will.

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47 minutes ago, pkschul said:

Just making an educated guess here but I’d say 90+% of day to day trips all day every day fall well under the range capacity of most e-cars. Obviously there are roadblocks and certainly things that can’t yet be accomplished with them but if you think this is just a fad then you are out of touch with reality. As was mentioned plug in hybrid electrics can and will bridge that gap. Battery technology innovation is HOT in patents right now. If automobile companies are not fully invested in e-cars then they are going to be out of the market entirely in 20 years or likely much less than that.

I encourage you to go look at a Ford F-150 Lightning. Super impressive. It will power your house during a blackout.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.luxresearchinc.com/blog/patent-trends-batteries-for-electric-vehicles%3Fhs_amp%3Dtrue

That's an impressive looking truck!


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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6 hours ago, FanBack said:

For SOME people.  A hybrid 4-door is the best thing for an Urban Uber or Lyft driver.  A traveling salesman who needs a new car every 1.5 years, maybe not. 

Read my original analysis carefully.   Don't the change the argument and try to defeat a changed argument. 

Abiotic Geoligic Fueled vehicles are still superior in (non-subsidized) pricepoint, performance and range.

You do know that some commuter trains have run diesel cars in the summer?  They couldn't afford to run 100% electric during peak rates.   Makes you think; they're running diesels on tracks with electric catenaries overhead. 

In the future, society may go 100% electric and ABG fueled vehicles will be relegated to private clubs.  Like horseback riding.  We are not nearly there. 

I'm only telling you the truth.   

Governmental interference in any major technological transition can be disastrous.

As someone who runs a sales agency, my next vehicle will most likely be a Kia Sorento Plug in Hybrid AWD. 35mpg, 40 miles E only, ~ $40k w/ 10 year 100k warranty. Made in GA.  

Not the holy grail, but finally a hybrid vehicle that meets my needs of size and awd. 
 

 

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9 minutes ago, foster said:

As someone who runs a sales agency, my next vehicle will most likely be a Kia Sorento Plug in Hybrid AWD. 35mpg, 40 miles E only, ~ $40k w/ 10 year 100k warranty. Made in GA.  

Not the holy grail, but finally a hybrid vehicle that meets my needs of size and awd. 
 

Also a good looking vehicle


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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3 hours ago, FanBack said:

Your first sentence once again proves my point.   I make a great case: you've pigeonholed me based upon my political beliefs..  Bigot.

BTW, I'm an EE.

Not sure what you’re saying. EE is that like a double wide shoe? I wish you best with your club feet.

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3 hours ago, FanBack said:

Your first sentence once again proves my point.   I make a great case: you've pigeonholed me based upon my political beliefs..  Bigot.

BTW, I'm an EE.

OK armed with knowledge my first sentence pretty much validated. The average American drives 13,500 miles per year. That equates to approximately 260 miles per week or 37 miles per day. Simple calculation yes but still…

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Government can help set the pace and direction of a technology. We’d be way further down the path to Solar being an everyday site if it weren’t for Reagan ripping the solar panels off the White House and increasing support and subsidies to the fossil fuel industry. 
 

It’s not a free market so E-vehicles need an incentive to offset the subsidies the oil industry gets to be competitive. 
 

If you want to market to dictate  actions then remove support for both industries and let the consumer decide. 
 

At $6+ per gallon for gas E vehicles will quickly become competitive 
 

 

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1 hour ago, pkschul said:

OK armed with knowledge my first sentence pretty much validated. The average American drives 13,500 miles per year. That equates to approximately 260 miles per week or 37 miles per day. Simple calculation yes but still…

That's not everyone.  And overarching regulations that are perfectly fine for the 'average' case that you stated could crush our economy.

Have consideration for others  of different circumstances and their impact on the economy.  Read my posts in this thread.   Then read them again. 

I really try.

I really do.

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6 hours ago, FanBack said:

That's not everyone.  And overarching regulations that are perfectly fine for the 'average' case that you stated could crush our economy.

Have consideration for others  of different circumstances and their impact on the economy.  Read my posts in this thread.   Then read them again. 

I really try.

I really do.

Need breeds innovation. You act like this transition will happen overnight.

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53 minutes ago, pkschul said:

Need breeds innovation. You act like this transition will happen overnight.

Remove all fossil fuel subsidies and see how fast the E-Cars take off

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8 hours ago, pkschul said:

Need breeds innovation. You act like this transition will happen overnight.

 No.  But the government wishes to enforce a transition before its natural time - see this new joke of an 'infrastructure deal..  You wish to apply an overarching totalitarian solution.   

Stop changing my argument and attempting to defeat transmuted argument.

 You may know the differing pliability of wicker in sea water vs. fresh water, but you're obviously not technically knowledgeable on this subject matter. 

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7 hours ago, foster said:

Remove all fossil fuel subsidies and see how fast the E-Cars take off

What subsidies?  Delineate them.

There's no such thing as a fossil fuel.  They are Abiotic Geologic Fuels.  It's science 

 

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20 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

We've determined that he is out of touch with reality a long time ago.

Debate me on the issue. 

What's your degree or specialized skill?

That's what I thought 

 

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On 11/22/2021 at 11:34 AM, FanBack said:

Ah, the electric vehicle. 

If it was truly superior, it would be the industry standard. 

The range of an electric vehicle is on average 300 miles, a Tesla is 408 miles maximum.   That is not enough for standard use or long trips.  For many urban people, this range will work and, with the subsidies, also will work economically for them.  To them, I say you're welcome.   They can wash my Camaro as payment. 

The design of a unitary battery is the true reason for the range problems.  

Vehicles should be fed by a string of batteries.  The batteries at each end should be readily accessible and 'swappable'.  Electric infrastructure would have to include personnel to swap batteries as well as charging stations.  Hotels would have to be fitted with charging stations; and not just the front row next to the reserved spaces.   You'd have to consider the proper abandonment of gas tanks and maintaining the petroleum  infrastructure to support trucking.   This is a little harder than your average 'Salon' or 'NY Times' article would indicate.  A slight mismatch in downsizing the available Abiotic Geologic Fuels infrastructure  and you'd have skyrocketing costs for delivered goods.

Just a reminder. 

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1 minute ago, FanBack said:

Just a reminder. 

Oh I see.  I said 'standard use' instead of 'to accomodate all uses'.

I left myself open for the 'totalitarian socialist quibble'.  A classic Marxist technique; always attack (or create) the slightest perceived hole in the logic and keep the rational side on defense. 

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1 hour ago, pkschul said:

Again. Need breeds innovation… Baby steps.

There is no existential 'need'.

However, once priceloint, life cycle payoff, availability, profitability and performance outweigh the costs of infrastructure transition ( performed by an environmental assessment to include the human costs) perhaps a transition can happen. 

I wish that our current administration has performed such an assessment prior to canceling the pipeline. 

I wish that you had the experience to webster the issue intelligently. 

 You are trapped by your political bigotry.

'DUH.  FANBACK THE MAGAT CANNOT BE RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING.'

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1 hour ago, pkschul said:

Fwiw I agree with you that swappable batteries will need to become a thing in the long run and I think it will happen.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.caranddriver.com/news/amp33670482/nio-swappable-batteries-lease/

No Shit.  It's obvious.  The unitary battery reeks of a prototype rushed into application by ideological concerns and government fiat.

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