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DC Fencing to Be Removed After Capitol Police Admit No 'Credible Threat'

 

That uninviting outer fencing around the U.S. Capitol will reportedly come down in the coming days after it’s made a mockery of the principles this country was founded upon for more than two months.

Acting House Sergeant-at-Arms Timothy Blodgett issued a memo on Friday announcing that the Capitol architect and the U.S. Capitol Police together “will remove the outer perimeter fencing around the Capitol complex sooner than initially anticipated.”

CNN reported that the move could come as early as this weekend, said Blodgett. The man told lawmakers that “there does not exist a known, credible threat against Congress or the Capitol Complex that warrants the temporary security fencing.”

The exercise in political theatrics was anticipated to last until the fall of this year. Without a boogeyman, apparently people who aren’t covetous of power made the decision to end the charade.

Following the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, which was an ugly day in this country’s history — no matter which side of the political aisle you sit on — that fencing was erected around the building complex’s perimeter.

 

Democrats and other opportunists seized upon the building incursion to achieve their political ends. Washington, D.C. became a militarized zone filled with troops sleeping in parking garages while people who wanted to view the beauty of our nation’s capital instead saw an area that looked like Baghdad.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was essentially given what appeared to be her own private army while politicians demanded a physical barrier to protect them — as they’ve simultaneous denied the rest of us border security and a wall.

Many troops remain to protect lawmakers from a threat that doesn’t exist: conservative insurrectionists.

Buzz words such as “insurrection,” “sedition” and “treason” have been tossed since January by elected Democrats and the liberal media. These people, by and large, aren’t exactly patriots. The whole exercise has felt forced by a people who would have likely celebrated had the same building been burned to the ground by leftist rioters.

 

No building was burned on Jan.6, and after the crowd of protesters had disbursed and left the city after that day, there was never any real threat from politically engaged Americans, most of whom never went anywhere near the inside of the Capitol on Jan. 6.

The FBI arrested many of those who were accused of storming the building and continues to search for more. But most of those who traveled to Washington in January to make their voices heard peacefully went back home and back to their lives.

Horned-hat guy, Jacob Chansley, remains behind bars after he was accused of attempting to start a coup. That man’s painted face is representative of the events of the day and for what Democrats would have us believe is a threat to national stability.

How long were Democrats going to pretend that this image represented a serious threat to their power?

 

 

 


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Cool story, moron. You talk shit about news sources and then post shit from sites like this.

 

Not long after, Liftable Media was approached by the founder of ConservativeTribune.com, a conservative opinion blog that had seen success on Facebook. The founder, Shaun Connell, wanted to work on other projects and asked if Liftable Media was interested in buying it. So, in April 2015, Liftable Media made its second large acquisition, buying ConservativeTribune.com.

In November of 2017, WesternJournalism.com was rebranded as The Western Journal and moved to WesternJournal.com. In April of 2018, Conservative Tribune, Liftable, and The Wildcard, a sports site established in 2017 and also owned by Liftable Media, were integrated into The Western Journal as sections of one overarching site, The Western Journal.

Meanwhile....

 

Analysis / Bias

The Western Journal is a news and opinion website with story selection that always favors the right and is negative toward the left. There is the frequent use of moderately loaded language in headlines such as this: The Clinton State Department’s Major Security Breach That Everyone Is Ignoring. The Western Journal typically sources its information to credible media outlets, though story selection and wording usually spin information favorably to the right. They have also failed several fact checks. Finally, during the 2020 Presidential election, they have promoted misinformation. See failed fact check below.

 

Failed Fact Checks

 

Overall, we rate Western Journal Right Biased and Questionable based on story selection and editorial opinions that strongly favor the right and numerous failed fact checks. 

 

 

 

 

 


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See, stupid?? I can do it, too

Proud Boys' encrypted 'Boots on the Ground' channel coordinated Capitol insurrection: prosecutors

 

Local Proud Boys chapter presidents in North Carolina and Pennsylvania coordinated communications for the Jan. 6 assault on the US Capitol as part of a quartet of leaders in the violent nationalist street gang, according to a federal indictment unveiled today.

The indictment charges Charles Donohoe, president of the Piedmont North Carolina chapter, and Zachary Rehl, president of the Philadelphia chapter, along with Ethan Nordean, aka Rufio Panman, and Joe Biggs with conspiracy to interfere with Congress' certification of the electoral college vote and to interfere with law enforcement during a civil disorder when the Capitol was stormed. Nordean, Biggs and Rehl are additionally accused of breaching the Capitol.

Nordean, who came to fame among the Proud Boys and the wider far right when he delivered a knockout punch to an antifascist counter-protester during a confrontation in Portland, Ore. in the summer of 2018, led a large group of Proud Boys who marched to the Capitol on January 6th. The government has previously alleged that Nordean was granted "war powers" within the organization after its national chairman, Enrique Tarrio, was arrested on Jan. 4 for vandalizing a banner stolen from a church and weapons charges. In a video livestreamed by another Proud Boys member, Nordean can be seen carrying a megaphone and giving commands, while conferring with Biggs, an Army veteran and former InfoWars contributor, and Donohoe.

The indictment portrays an elaborate effort to coordinate the assault on the Capitol through encrypted messaging, with a frantic effort to set up a new communications network after Tarrio's arrest.

The government alleges that Donohoe set up a new encrypted channel called "New MOSD" because he was concerned that the Proud Boys' communications would be compromised once law enforcement examined Tarrio's phone.

"Hey have been instructed and listen to me real good!" Donohoe reportedly said in a message posted to various encrypted messaging channels used by the Proud Boys on the evening of Jan. 4. "There is no planning of any sorts. I need to be put into whatever thing is created. Everything is compromised and we can be looking at Gang charges." The government also said Donohoe "took steps to destroy or 'nuke' the earlier channel."

The government alleges that a new channel called "Boots on the Ground" was created, with more than 60 users, including Nordean, Biggs, Donohoe, Rehl and the unindicted co-conspirator. According to the government, a message posted on "Boots on the Ground" instructed Proud Boys members to meet at the Washington Monument at 10 a.m. on the morning of the siege.

Later that evening, an unidentified Proud Boys member referenced as an unindicted co-conspirator posted in the "New MOSD" channel: "We had originally planned on breaking the guys into teams. Let's start divvying them up and getting Baofeng channels picked out."

While traveling to Washington DC on Jan. 5, Rehl told the others that he was bringing a batch of radios with him, according to the indictment. Shortly after he arrived, at 9:03 p.m., Donohoe responded by requesting one of the radios.

"Stand by for the shared baofeng channel and shared zello channel, no Colors, be decentralized and use good judgment until further orders," the unindicted co-conspirator wrote in a message on the "Boots on the Ground" channel at 9:03 p.m., according to the indictment. "Rufio is in charge, cops are the primary threat, don't get caught by them or BLM, don't get drunk until off the street."

The indictment suggests that Biggs and Donohoe were liaising between two discrete communications networks, citing a message on the evening of Jan. 5 on the "New MOSD" from Biggs indicating that he had spoken with Tarrio.

"We have a plan. I'm with Rufio," Biggs said.

Donohoe reportedly replied: "What's the plan so I can pass it to the MOSD guys."

At 6:37 a.m. on the morning of President Trump's speech at the Ellipse and the assault on the Capitol, the government alleges that Donohoe posted to the "New MOSD" channel: "Are we gonna do a commanders briefing before the 10 a.m."

As the Proud Boys advanced on the Capitol, members of the crowd removed metal barriers on the grounds, and the government alleges that the encrypted messaging boards used by the Proud Boys signaled that people were "storming" the building. The indictment says that Donohoe "assisted the crowd's effort to advance up a flight of stairs towards the Capitol." Biggs, according to the indictment, entered a door of the Capitol that was opened by Dominic Pezzola, another Proud Boy, who had breached the building by using a stolen riot shield to bust through a window.

Biggs, Nordean and Rehl entered the Capitol through different points, according to the indictment, which also says Biggs left after the first breach and then forcibly re-entered by pushing past at least one law enforcement officer and made it to the Senate chamber.

According to the government, Donohoe, the only one among the four who didn't enter the Capitol, announced on the "Boots on the Ground" channel as other rioters were leaving: "We are regrouping with a second force."

Donohoe appeared in federal court in Winston-Salem on Friday afternoon wearing a blue jumpsuit, handcuffs and leg irons for a status hearing. The government said in a brief arguing for pre-trial detention that the Proud Boys leader should not be released from custody because he poses a risk to obstruct justice. Donohoe's court-appointed lawyer did not oppose the motion.

The government brief specifically cited Donohoe's instruction to fellow Proud Boys to use encrypted messaging and his destruction of prior communications to evade law enforcement in the days leading up to the insurrection, and the fact that he participated in the campaign despite acknowledging that he might be criminally charged for doing so.

During the hearing on Friday, Donohoe said he would waive his right to a detention hearing in the Middle District of North Carolina. Magistrate Judge Joi Elizabeth Peake ordered US Marshals to transport Donohoe to the District of Columbia, where he will receive a detention hearing

As early as Nov. 27, amid a pair of pro-Trump rallies at which Proud Boys assaulted left-wing opponents and DC residents in the runup to the Jan. 6 insurrection, the group's leaders were threatening violent retribution against anyone who might stand in the way of Trump disregarding the outcome of the 2020 election and retaining power.

"We tried playing nice and by the rules, now you will deal with the monster you created," Nordean wrote on social media on Nov. 27, according to the government. "The spirit of 1776 has resurfaced and has created groups like the Proudboys and we will not be extinguished. We will grow like the flame that fuels us and spread like love that guides us. We are unstoppable, unrelenting and now… unforgiving. Good luck to all you traitors of this country we so deeply love… you're going to need it."

Rehl reportedly posted on social media the same day: "Hopefully, the firing squads are for the traitors that are trying to steal the election from the American people."

Donohoe was featured in a TV show featuring Marine Corps veterans called "Leatherneck Reconnect" in February 2019. Introducing himself to the hosts he said, "Marine Corps is my blood. The only thing I care about is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And anyone who doesn't agree with that is a traitor, and they deserve a traitor's death."

The episode also shows Donohoe riding in the back of a 5-ton military truck through downtown Winston-Salem at night and yelling, "America's coming through!"

On July 4, Donohoe would join a Proud Boys march in Washington DC.

And later that year, in September, he made a post on Telegram, urging violence against left-wing opponents. In time, the Proud Boys would redirect that violence against Capitol and Washington DC Metro police officers.

"We need to stop fighting antifa in the streets where the cops are and start fighting them in bars and alleys," Donohoe wrote, according to the Daily Beast. "We need to stomp them. We need to ruin their lives physically like they have ruined ours financially with doxing. We need to rack up their hospital bills We need to use special operations tactics and lightning strike them."

 


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

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16 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Cool story, moron. You talk shit about news sources and then post shit from sites like this.

Greggy? The next time you want to challenge me or my sources I expect you to quote an article that refutes the premise of my original post and not some ad hoc attack by another controlled media outlet followed by a propaganda piece. We have faith that you can do better!


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1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

Greggy? The next time you want to challenge me or my sources I expect you to quote an article that refutes the premise of my original post and not some ad hoc attack by another controlled media outlet followed by a propaganda piece. We have faith that you can do better!

Your "story" is hot garbage, like every other one of your posts. A steaming pile of dog shit. 

They called it TEMPORARY fencing for a reason dipshit.  and its coming down a few days early.  That's DAYS you dumb fuck.   This is a non-story vomited up by a shameless spreader of misinformation. 

See below and then fuck all the way off.  

 

Outer fence surrounding Capitol complex to be removed this weekend

Inner layer of security fencing around Capitol Square area will remain for time being

It so safe around the Capitol that they still are deploying National Guard around it.  

Blodgett said the National Guard “will continue to maintain a presence to support our increased security posture although their presence has been modified to support a reduced perimeter.” He also said that the Capitol Police will “continue to monitor the threat posture, [and] should a change occur, plans will be reevaluated.” The National Guard is drawing down troops from around 5,000 to 2,280, which is the number currently authorized through May 23.

 

The outer fencing surrounding the Capitol that's been up since the Jan. 6 insurrection is expected to be removed over the weekend, the acting House sergeant-at-arms said Friday.

The new timeline is a few days earlier than originally expected.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, 212frawk said:

 

7 minutes ago, 212frawk said:

Your "story" is hot garbage, like every other one of your posts. A steaming pile of dog shit. 

They called it TEMPORARY fencing for a reason dipshit.  and its coming down a few days early.  That's DAYS you dumb fuck.   This is a non-story vomited up by a shameless spreader of misinformation. 

See below and then fuck all the way off.  

Outer fence surrounding Capitol complex to be removed this weekend

Inner layer of security fencing around Capitol Square area will remain for time being

It so safe around the Capitol that they still are deploying National Guard around it.  

Blodgett said the National Guard “will continue to maintain a presence to support our increased security posture although their presence has been modified to support a reduced perimeter.” He also said that the Capitol Police will “continue to monitor the threat posture, [and] should a change occur, plans will be reevaluated.” The National Guard is drawing down troops from around 5,000 to 2,280, which is the number currently authorized through May 23.

The outer fencing surrounding the Capitol that's been up since the Jan. 6 insurrection is expected to be removed over the weekend, the acting House sergeant-at-arms said Friday.

The new timeline is a few days earlier than originally expected.

 

 

 

 

Just like all of his supposed news stories - fake, bullshit, lies, manipulated to skew to the right.

He's a fucking clown. I would tell him to hide the razor blades before he figures it out, but nah, he'll never figure it out. He's too far gone.

 


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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Just now, HipKat said:

Just like all of his supposed news stories - fake, bullshit, lies, manipulated to skew to the right.

He's a fucking clown. I would tell him to hide the razor blades before he figures it out, but nah, he'll never figure it out. He's too far gone.

thanks for quoting me, now he can read it lol 

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1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

and not some ad hoc attack by another controlled media outlet followed by a propaganda piece. We have faith that you can do better!

You mean some impartial source that rates all news/media outlets using the same standards and you don't like it that the ones you use all fail the Bullshit detector?

Or are you gonna say they're wrong when they expose far right media sources for being liars but correct when they do the same to the far left sources?? Fucking moron...

 


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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1 minute ago, 212frawk said:

thanks for quoting me, now he can read it lol 

By design...

He'll have me back on his list of people who tell the truth that he needs to hide from before his head explodes soon enough

 

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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29 minutes ago, 212frawk said:

Your "story" is hot garbage, like every other one of your posts. A steaming pile of dog shit. 

They called it TEMPORARY fencing for a reason dipshit.  and its coming down a few days early.  That's DAYS you dumb fuck.   This is a non-story vomited up by a shameless spreader of misinformation. 

See below and then fuck all the way off.  

Outer fence surrounding Capitol complex to be removed this weekend

Inner layer of security fencing around Capitol Square area will remain for time being

It so safe around the Capitol that they still are deploying National Guard around it.  

Blodgett said the National Guard “will continue to maintain a presence to support our increased security posture although their presence has been modified to support a reduced perimeter.” He also said that the Capitol Police will “continue to monitor the threat posture, [and] should a change occur, plans will be reevaluated.” The National Guard is drawing down troops from around 5,000 to 2,280, which is the number currently authorized through May 23.

The outer fencing surrounding the Capitol that's been up since the Jan. 6 insurrection is expected to be removed over the weekend, the acting House sergeant-at-arms said Friday.

The new timeline is a few days earlier than originally expected.

Hey, thanks for backing up my original article!


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Just now, SackMan518 said:

Hey, thanks for backing up my original article!

lol, nice try. 

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22 minutes ago, HipKat said:

You mean some impartial source that rates all news/media outlets using the same standards and you don't like it that the ones you use all fail the Bullshit detector?

Or are you gonna say they're wrong when they expose far right media sources for being liars but correct when they do the same to the far left sources?? Fucking moron...

"Impartial source." LOL. Man, you really buy that newspeak hook, line, and sinker! The guys at the used parking lot must be giddy when you show up to have a look see.

23 minutes ago, HipKat said:

He'll have me back on his list of people who tell the truth that he needs to hide from before his head explodes soon enough

Nah, I'm enjoying watching you re-enact a dumber version of Jen Psaki on The Range. The Xiden disaster is hilarious but not as comedic as you two bozos doing damage control for some guy who says you're privileged white supremacists. If this were a comedy script it'd turn into a blockbuster movie at the cinemas! Keep up the good work guys. The only one we're missing is @Professor Pigworth who no doubt will soon regale us with his attempts at witty retort.

Thanks for the laughs fellas, this has really pepped up my day after the morning cofveve.


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1 hour ago, 212frawk said:

lol, nice try. 

He's so dumb, he's still trying to say that grass is red


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

"Impartial source." LOL. Man, you really buy that newspeak hook, line, and sinker! The guys at the used parking lot must be giddy when you show up to have a look see.

First, there's not much when you search for Is Media Bias Fact Check a Reliable Site, and most returns are site that have been reviewed, posting the actual reviews of their sites.

Is Media Bias Fact Check a reliable site?

 

Conclusion

While MBFC has it's problems and critics, so do all other fact checking sites. Some of the problems come from "too small" of a sample of a site. That's understandable, since no fact checking site checks 100% of the information on the checked-site. It just means that more time and effort is needed to get a larger sample size, and with continuing checks of the sites, the ratings will become more accurate over time.

And the human factor can be significant, but that can be mitigated with double-checks by multiple people. It can also be mitigated by the rubric used to determine bias and fact checks.

With MBFC generally closely mirroring other fact checking sites that are also found to be reliable (in my Baseline Research above) and the fact that the information is updated moderately regularly, I'd give Media Bias\Fact Check the thumbs up for being a reliable source.

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Let's see what Reddit has to say

Is mediabiasfactcheck.com an accurate and unbiased webiste?

2 years ago·edited 2 years ago
 

It's hard to say. Contrary to some other comments, they seem to give low ratings on how factual a source is based on things that I would not consider sound as opposed to just disfavoring a given political leaning. For example, they will cite politifact's file on a station.

Politifact will rate a news station by how factual the statements of their staff *and* pundit guests are. So, for example, let's look at CNN (https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/cnn/). If you scroll down, they are getting knocked for lies largely from their pundit guests, which is not shock. It would seem more appropriate to focus on the statements by their actual staff. Otherwise, you are effectively punishing a news source for giving other voices a chance to speak, e.g., in that link, all of the "pants on fire" comments were by guest speakers (all of which describe themselves as conservative or republican, for those keeping score). If you examine the Fox news file, you will see that their "pants on fire" comments came mostly from their staff, but also their guests (again conservative and republican).

Fox has a much worse truthfulness ranking on Politifact, but mediabiasfactcheck reports both Fox and CNN as "mixed" for "Factual". So, I would go with "meh" to "probably not a great source"...if you care about facts, that is. :-)

 
 
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Any "Fact Checker" that rates Snopes and Factcheck.org as unbiased can not possibly be unbiased. Mediabiasfactcheck.com is definitely biased with a hard lean to the left. There is little to no transparency in their "rating" of these sources. The fact that they have no transparency is a huge red flag. Why not be wide open and transparent in your ratings system? Unless of course you have a bias to hide...

 
 
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2 years ago·edited 2 years ago
 

True it seems like they are not using a systematic approach to ranking the bias of a particular news source. So as such the ranking could change depending upon who is rating the accuracy and bias of a particular news outlet which would make it not unbiased.

I think that snopes is fairly accurate for the majority of the urban legends that they say as true or false most likely. But I am not sure about the political leaning of snopes, I don't visit the site often and usually only go there to evaluate the truth of some urban legend.

 
 
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2 years ago·edited 2 years ago
 

no it is not biased its leftist leaning. Since they mostly give far right leaning sites mixed accuracy and far left leaning sites high accuracy even tho they are both biased. It is accurate to some extent but one has to take the ratings they give with a grain of salt and do your own fact checking. In addition the credentials of the person who runs the site is suspect at best in terms of being able to rate the particular biases of different media sources.

EDIT: that was not the best word choice but in essence, I meant in simple terms that the website most likely does not have a neutral point of view but I am not sure if I there could possibly be a unbiased point of view website rating the biases of news web sites.

Everyone has a point of view and most people try to push their own point of view but there are ways to reduce the pardianship leaning from the group rating the accuracy and political leaning of media sources and media outlets.

 
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"no it is not biased its leftist leaning" ? Bias is a prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. "Since they mostly give far right leaning sites mixed accuracy and far left leaning sites high accuracy " this is the definition of what bias is... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bias

 
 
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Bias

Bias is disproportionate weight in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.

Biases can be learned implicitly within cultural contexts. People may develop biases toward or against an individual, an ethnic group, a sexual or gender identity, a nation, a religion, a social class, a political party, theoretical paradigms and ideologies within academic domains, or a species. Biased means one-sided, lacking a neutral viewpoint, or not having an open mind.


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Since they mostly give far right leaning sites mixed accuracy and far left leaning sites high accuracy even tho they are both biased.

This isn't necessarily a sign of bais on mediafactcheck's part. It could also just be a sign that far right leaning sites are generally less reliable than far left leaning sites.

The Left and Right are not equal, so you can not assume that unequal reporting on them is a sign of inaccurate reporting on them

 
 
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2 years ago·edited 2 years ago
 

Possibly but I think that pretty much everything has some sort of bias. I mean it appears that the rating that they give is not always objective and how would one even go about measuring objectively of the bias and accuracy of different media websites.

I mean it may be able to objectively measure some sites media biases but more difficult to measure the bias and accuracy of other media sites.

It appears to me though that measuring in a objective way the bias and reliability of a particular media source without any of the writers bias cloud the decision of what type of bias and how reliable the media source is which is indeed a difficult problem.

But to me though rabid extremism at either side of the political spectrum are both biased and as a consequence not as reliable as compared to another media source with a neutral point of view.

 
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I feel like you may be conflating two different things though; bias and accuracy are not equivalent. It is possible to be highly biased AND highly accurate (MSNBC), just as it is also possible to be unbiased and inaccurate (Urban Dictionary, Wikipedia to a lesser extent).

 

Someone like Crooked Media--an openly partisan activist site--is marked with Strong Left Bias, but also given a "High Factual Reporting" rating. Someone like Fox would also be marked with a "Right Bias," but they are also marked for "Mixed" Factual Accuracy, because their opinion hosts report falsehoods with frequency and frame activism as journalism.

 

Even more granular: Shep Smith is right biased but accurate in his reporting, Sean Hannity is right biased and also often inaccurate.

 

Maybe *you* aren't confused here, but I think it's worth saying--a lot of people confuse bias with accuracy, and it makes it easier for organizations to spread lies in the guise of bias. The two are not the same.

 
 
 
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I was not saying that bias equals inaccuracies. It is true that bias sources could be accurate and unbiased sources could be innacurate. My point was that sometimes strong bias could effect the accuracy of a particular article. For instance if they spin the article to their side and report it as fact not acknowledgeing the agenda that they are trying to sneak into the article. But of course you are correct that you can be biased but still be accurate.

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They are up front with their methodology and admitted limitations, which is a strong sign. They also list reputable fact-checkers here, which gives some credence to their motives. Personal experience says they are reputable and fairly accurate.

 
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Unfortunately, they don't seem to have a page on mediabiasfactcheck, so it's hard to say for certain.

Their methodology for rating websites appears sound, and they do explain how they rate each website. There is some degree of bias/subjectivity in rating different criteria, but they themselves recognize this (and it likely would be impossible to objectively measure bias, after all). For instance, I would expect there's almost definitely some wiggle room in whether a site receives a 7 or an 8 on a bias scoring. I would expect the general bias rating, and the factual-ness of a site to be correct, however. Maybe you feel CNN should be Extreme-Left rather than just far Left, but the site is still correct that they have a generally strong Left bias.

One issue is that ratings are never credited to individual authors. It is possible a biased author might manipulate pages to their advantage. However, as they source most of their claims it would be hard to change a site's rating significantly.

It would be interesting to see how their scores differ from the user votes, but I would expect user votes to be heavily biased and/or manipulated, so this may not be the best way to fact check the fact checker.

 
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Didn't dig too deep but this was on their submit page:

Before submitting, please check that another credible service (Politifact, Snopes, Factcheck.org) has not fact checked the topic.

That alone tells me they're making an effort to not be repetitive and fair.4

 
 
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How so, they are encouraging you to got other opinions

 
 
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If it were trolls they would encourage you to only seek/believe their opinion. simple as that.

 
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So would Breitbart telling you to look at fox mean that it was accurate and fair?

And it doesn't even have to be trolls. They could still be a biased and un factual website without being specifically made by trolls

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Thats Bait from a seven month old account that has posted over 1488 times on The_Dotard alone!

https://masstagger.com/user/QUIETJACKFRUIT

french philosopher / playwright / author Jean Paul-Sartre wrote:

“Never believe that [anti-Semites] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [anti-Semites] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

In this case Sartre is referring to actual german nazi fascists, Italian Mussolini fascists, and spanish Franco fascists and their supporters.

You can see how this quote fits perfectly to goal post moving bullies and liars on the current trump fascist order and "alt-right" right wing oligarch apologists.

Using tools like r/masstagger it's a duty to call out people who post in bad faith with curelty and hate all to support what they call their "dark enlightenment".

 

 

 


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7 hours ago, HipKat said:

First, there's not much when you search for Is Media Bias Fact Check a Reliable Site, and most returns are site that have been reviewed, posting the actual reviews of their sites.

Why do you keep bringing this site up? I already told you its run by one guy Dave Van Zandt with some assist from unpaid contributors. In no way is this site some kind of authority on media bias. From their own website:

 

Who in the heck is Dave Van Zandt?

Dave M. Van Zandt obtained a Communications Degree before pursuing a higher degree in the sciences. Dave currently works full time in the health care industry. Dave has spent more than 20 years as an armchair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence. For the record, he also is not the President of the New School, that is a different David E. Van Zandt who is the head of a liberal college in New York City. I am an unaffiliated voter from North Carolina.

Does Media Bias/Fact Check have any employees?

Yes and no. At the moment we have five volunteers who perform source research, writing and assist in fact-checking. We hope to be able to offer to pay for their services in the future as the website grows.

 


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9 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

Why do you keep bringing this site up? I already told you its run by one guy Dave Van Zandt with some assist from unpaid contributors. In no way is this site some kind of authority on media bias. From their own website:

Who in the heck is Dave Van Zandt?

Dave M. Van Zandt obtained a Communications Degree before pursuing a higher degree in the sciences. Dave currently works full time in the health care industry. Dave has spent more than 20 years as an armchair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence. For the record, he also is not the President of the New School, that is a different David E. Van Zandt who is the head of a liberal college in New York City. I am an unaffiliated voter from North Carolina.

Does Media Bias/Fact Check have any employees?

Yes and no. At the moment we have five volunteers who perform source research, writing and assist in fact-checking. We hope to be able to offer to pay for their services in the future as the website grows.

Those same questions with those same answers have been there for as long as I've been using the site, although I don't get your point. You think it takes a company the size of State Farm to fact check media outlets? They're not like a fact check site that researches every news item, dumbass. Pretty sure a handful of people can handle the task. 


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Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

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HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

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3 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Those same questions with those same answers have been there for as long as I've been using the site, although I don't get your point. You think it takes a company the size of State Farm to fact check media outlets? They're not like a fact check site that researches every news item, dumbass. Pretty sure a handful of people can handle the task. 

No my point is it takes more than the opinion of one single guy to judge media bias especially considering the site is a mere 6 years old and not some long standing institution. You could get together with 5 other people and have the same claim to legitimacy with your own website that Van Zandt does. Reading through his ratings it all looks like opinion and not some scientific method where he did a meta-analysis on past media reports from each outlet.


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Lol media bias? How long are we going to let the GLOBALISTS write the narrative? I have own my facts. I did my research years ago. The GLOBALISTS shut those YouTube channels down years ago when the TRUTH Became obvious. Do your own research sheeple.


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8 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

No my point is it takes more than the opinion of one single guy to judge media bias especially considering the site is a mere 6 years old and not some long standing institution. You could get together with 5 other people and have the same claim to legitimacy with your own website that Van Zandt does. Reading through his ratings it all looks like opinion and not some scientific method where he did a meta-analysis on past media reports from each outlet.

Yeah, because it's so hard to look at any given media outlet, research the things they report to see if they're true, if they're skewed to one side or the other, if they've been caught lying and if they corrected it when they did... It's not like it takes ongoing, daily monitoring to see if MSNBC is skewed to the left, to see how often Zerohedge has been caught lying and posting the General information about each organization, FFS...

It's not "opinion" when they list failed fact checks. It's not "opinion" which side of the coin a given source is on.


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Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

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9 hours ago, HipKat said:

Yeah, because it's so hard to look at any given media outlet, research the things they report to see if they're true, if they're skewed to one side or the other, if they've been caught lying and if they corrected it when they did... It's not like it takes ongoing, daily monitoring to see if MSNBC is skewed to the left, to see how often Zerohedge has been caught lying and posting the General information about each organization, FFS...

It's not "opinion" when they list failed fact checks. It's not "opinion" which side of the coin a given source is on.

Well it certainly seems hard for you as you've fell for every media hoax over the last 4 years and dismissed serious matters as Russian disinfo that weren't. Where is the pee-pee tape? Where are Trump's damning tax returns? Where was the evidence of collusion?

Instead you've puffed all of those up as fact while ignoring actual collusion between Biden and Ukraine verified in both audio and video, improprieties by Biden's son verified by video, emails, receipts, etc; corruption of the FISA process to surveil private citizens associated with a rival political campaign backed up by a plethora of documents, text messages, e-mails, and testimonies; and clear double standards in news reporting as is now evident by the border crisis.

Maybe you should spend less time with corporate globo-media and more time looking at Independent journalists who actually have boots on the ground and clear eyes. Until then you're hardly worth arguing with since you consider yourself well informed having feasted on the day's MSM agitprop yet instead function as a lower mouthpiece for such. Have a nice day.


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1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

Well it certainly seems hard for you as you've fell for every media hoax over the last 4 years and dismissed serious matters as Russian disinfo that weren't. Where is the pee-pee tape? Where are Trump's damning tax returns? Where was the evidence of collusion?

There was never any investigation into collusion - for the 212th fucking time, dipshit. Mueller explained that in detail in the report that you dismissed without ever reading. NY has his tax returns, just be patient and what the fuck do I care about a pee-pee tape? 

But you're still the idiot that falls for the lies and the rhetoric. I told you, I don't watch MSM news. Do you seem e posting everything that CNN, MSNBC ,et al report on here?? No. Occasionally, yeah, because they were linked to other news sites. Maybe you should pay attention before you run your mouth and show off how fucking dumb you are.

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 Until then you're hardly worth arguing with

Yet you just can't help yourself, can you?


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Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

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12 minutes ago, Thebowflexbody said:

Says the moron....

Talking to yourself again?


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A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

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1 hour ago, Thebowflexbody said:

Says the moron....

Hip and his third grade retorts. Priceless. :classic_biggrin:

Really?


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A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

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