Meathead 72,366 Posted January 13 10 hours ago, Nuke said: Really? You’re going to go all Twitter on me, over that comment? im sorry. i didnt mean you nuke, i meant the general 'you', as in anybody that was being consistently abusive to me and didnt respond to attempts to get them to stop. im sorry for the confusion 1 Quote One set of rules for all in The Beloved Community "The word racism is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything, and demanding evidence makes you a 'racist' " - Thomas Sowell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuke 27,215 Posted January 13 Just now, Meathead said: im sorry. i didnt mean you nuke, i meant the general 'you', as in anybody that was being consistently abusive to me and didnt respond to attempts to get them to stop. im sorry for the confusion It’s all good Quote Ed Oliver is my adopt-a-Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuke 27,215 Posted January 14 Australia is the latest country to condemn Twitter. Add them to Germany and France. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australia-s-acting-pm-says-capitol-attack-unfortunate-and-condemns-twitter-censorship-of-trump/ar-BB1cDuJl?%3Bocid=spartanntp+ Funny I have to look to foreign governments for hope of fighting censorship here in the US. The incoming US government seems fine with it. Quote Ed Oliver is my adopt-a-Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HipKat 387 Posted January 14 22 minutes ago, Nuke said: Australia is the latest country to condemn Twitter. Add them to Germany and France. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australia-s-acting-pm-says-capitol-attack-unfortunate-and-condemns-twitter-censorship-of-trump/ar-BB1cDuJl?%3Bocid=spartanntp+ Funny I have to look to foreign governments for hope of fighting censorship here in the US. The incoming US government seems fine with it. It's Not Censorship When It's A Private Company Enforcing Rules That Everyone Agreed To When They Signed Up. It's Only Censorship To You Because It's Trump! Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Twitter: @HKTheResistance HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856 I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11 Seek help. soflabillsfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuke 27,215 Posted January 14 4 hours ago, HipKat said: It's Not Censorship When It's A Private Company Enforcing Rules That Everyone Agreed To When They Signed Up. It's Only Censorship To You Because It's Trump! It’s funny three countries have a problem with it, but you’re completely cool with it. And I don’t have a problem with it being Trump. I have a problem with it being anyone. They are a private company benefiting from section 230 of Communications Decency Act censoring right of center political views. Influencing elections. 1 Quote Ed Oliver is my adopt-a-Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HipKat 387 Posted January 14 19 minutes ago, Nuke said: It’s funny three countries have a problem with it, but you’re completely cool with it. And I don’t have a problem with it being Trump. I have a problem with it being anyone. They are a private company benefiting from section 230 of Communications Decency Act censoring right of center political views. Influencing elections. You never even ever heard of section 230 until Trump made it an issue and he only made it an issue because social media platforms were calling him out for lying about the election being rigged. I don't agree with censoring or stifling opinions but when heat groups and radical groups use social media to promote violence, that is where you have to draw a line. and for the umpteenth time, there's a reason why that kind of talk was always kept on the deep web. If those groups want to bring it to the mainstream internet, then they should be prepared to face the consequences. The Tor browser is free, BTW. Anybody can use it. I've had it and used it for several years. Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Twitter: @HKTheResistance HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856 I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11 Seek help. soflabillsfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LiterateStylish 12,093 Posted January 14 On 1/13/2021 at 11:23 AM, f8ta1ity54 said: Show me where his right to free speech was infringed according to the constitution. It wasn't. Which is why I said in my original post that private companies have the RIGHT to do this, but it still doesn't make it right. We all have rights to do things that we should NOT do. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f8ta1ity54 24,052 Posted January 14 1 minute ago, LiterateStylish said: It wasn't. Which is why I said in my original post that private companies have the RIGHT to do this, but it still doesn't make it right. We all have rights to do things that we should NOT do. I was quoteling Fascback. Why is not giving neo-nazis a platform wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f8ta1ity54 24,052 Posted January 14 I think its hilarious that Republicans think conservative media is under assult. Whats under assault is hate speech, and calls to violence. If that is a big part of conservative media, that's a conservative media problem, not a censorship problem. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thebowflexbody 2,698 Posted January 14 16 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said: I think its hilarious that Republicans think conservative media is under assult. Whats under assault is hate speech, and calls to violence. If that is a big part of conservative media, that's a conservative media problem, not a censorship problem. Says the blind man. Can I help you across the street? LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f8ta1ity54 24,052 Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Thebowflexbody said: Says the blind man. Can I help you across the street? LOL Lol can I help form a coherent argument? You stalk my posts just like hipkat, but you never add anything meaningful to the conversation. You have no nuance, no insight, and you definitely don't support your arguments with anything other than propaganda. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thebowflexbody 2,698 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Lol can I help form a coherent argument? You stalk my posts just like hipkat, but you never add anything meaningful to the conversation. You have no nuance, no insight, and you definitely don't support your arguments with anything other than propaganda. Fine. Incorrect, but I'll let your dumb ass be. No need to respond to your dribble any longer. Your shit posts and musings speak for themselves. Send up a flare when you get a clue. Buh bye. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thebowflexbody 2,698 Posted January 14 https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-commission-truth-rein-in-media-slammed-unamerican Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SackMan518 5,860 Posted January 14 4 hours ago, LiterateStylish said: It wasn't. Which is why I said in my original post that private companies have the RIGHT to do this, but it still doesn't make it right. We all have rights to do things that we should NOT do. Whether they have the "right" to do it is up for debate as they receive government protections and act as a town hall. Regardless, they need to be hit in the pocketbook fierce. If an anti-trust can be filed against Microsoft in the 90s one can easily be filed against the social media conglomerate. 2 Quote Sack "The Buffalo Range's TRUSTED News Source!" “When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” ~ Dresden James Parler @NYexile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thebowflexbody 2,698 Posted January 14 1 minute ago, SackMan518 said: Whether they have the "right" to do it is up for debate as they receive government protections and act as a town hall. Regardless, they need to be hit in the pocketbook fierce. If an anti-trust can be filed against Microsoft in the 90s one can easily be filed against the social media conglomerate. This Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f8ta1ity54 24,052 Posted January 14 8 minutes ago, SackMan518 said: Whether they have the "right" to do it is up for debate as they receive government protections and act as a town hall. Regardless, they need to be hit in the pocketbook fierce. If an anti-trust can be filed against Microsoft in the 90s one can easily be filed against the social media conglomerate. Why can't you just let the free market sort itself out, COMMIE!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LiterateStylish 12,093 Posted January 15 9 hours ago, f8ta1ity54 said: I think its hilarious that Republicans think conservative media is under assult. Whats under assault is hate speech, and calls to violence. If that is a big part of conservative media, that's a conservative media problem, not a censorship problem. It’s both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HipKat 387 Posted January 15 7 hours ago, LiterateStylish said: It’s both. Really? You don't see this on Left-leaning media Quote “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” Twitter: @HKTheResistance HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856 I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11 Seek help. soflabillsfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LiterateStylish 12,093 Posted January 15 6 hours ago, HipKat said: Really? You don't see this on Left-leaning media No I was saying conservative media is a problem AND censorship is a problem. It's not either/or. It's both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f8ta1ity54 24,052 Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said: No I was saying conservative media is a problem AND censorship is a problem. It's not either/or. It's both. Who is being censored that shouldn't be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f8ta1ity54 24,052 Posted January 15 6 hours ago, HipKat said: Really? You don't see this on Left-leaning media Lol you mean the side that is peddling lies and inciting violence is the one getting censored? Maybe if that side didn't pander to xenophobia, racism, antisemitism, etc., they wouldn't be censored. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LiterateStylish 12,093 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said: Who is being censored that shouldn't be? Trump. Ron Paul. Likely many others we don't know about. No one should be censored, by the government or private company, ever. No one. No matter how bad they are. Not Satan himself. Perhaps you didn't read my original post. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thebowflexbody 2,698 Posted January 15 13 minutes ago, LiterateStylish said: Trump. Ron Paul. Likely many others we don't know about. No one should be censored, by the government or private company, ever. No one. No matter how bad they are. Not Satan himself. Perhaps you didn't read my original post. Lit is right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herodotus 22,394 Posted January 15 On 1/12/2021 at 1:22 PM, LiterateStylish said: That's what it comes down to, right now. Whether you agree with the bozo or not (and I think the numbers of those who agree are massively dwindling), it is NOT in your best interest, or the Countries best interest, to see him, or anyone else, banned from social media or technology sites. If Hitler was alive during the era of Twitter, I feel that he even should NOT be banned. Voices should be heard - even dangerous voices. Not muted in the hopes that they no longer believe what they believe. That's how columbine type shootings happen. That's how undergrounds movements happen. That's how anger boils slowly until it bursts. And the monopoly of the tech giants are growing stronger. - Twitter bans Trump - Then Facebook - Then Repubs run to Parlor - But oops, Amazon bans Parlor See the problem here? It's not JUST about Trump. You either agree with the tech elite, or you can not run a tech company. Or talk on their platform. Even if you HATE Trump, you should abhor the actions to stifle speech - even if it is by a private company that technically has the right to do so. If you're a democrat, you should HATE the problem that this will cause AS MUCH as you hate Trump. Just a few months ago, democrats were complaining about the monopoly of the tech giants: https://www.npr.org/2020/10/06/920882893/how-are-apple-amazon-facebook-google-monopolies-house-report-counts-the-ways Now they are OK with it, since it serves their agenda. Don't be a hypocrite. It is a problem, I agree. Its also a bit of a dilemma. I mean on the one hand Trump was inciting people to violence, we're gonna go down and I will be there with you. Also, you had some of the more violent people organizing via social media. That is a problem. Honestly, I would have suspended Trump for a day or so if I were Facebook or Twitter, and maybe permabanned those who directly orchestrated and facilitated this, after a criminal trial. However, you are right, its not a good thing to shut down speech that you don't agree with. It only makes people more violent, and less likely to compromise and step back from dangerous ideas and listen to reason. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thebowflexbody 2,698 Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, Herodotus said: It is a problem, I agree. Its also a bit of a dilemma. I mean on the one hand Trump was inciting people to violence, we're gonna go down and I will be there with you. Also, you had some of the more violent people organizing via social media. That is a problem. Honestly, I would have suspended Trump for a day or so if I were Facebook or Twitter, and maybe permabanned those who directly orchestrated and facilitated this, after a criminal trial. However, you are right, its not a good thing to shut down speech that you don't agree with. It only makes people more violent, and less likely to compromise and step back from dangerous ideas and listen to reason. Decent post. Agree with a lot of that. Would probably also be best to have all the facts first. Right now this is nothing but people shutting down others they don't agree with. 230 needs to go. Tunes may change after that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
